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It would be a boring album. 2 beat minimum. Wu needs hot producers that's it, I don't care who they are at this point as long as the beat is good. We heard Method Man on "Lemon" killing shit, we heard that Ghost track Produced by Alchemist during his versuz with raekwon. All these guys need is hot beats and they can do the rest. Rza ain't got it no more, most of the Wu elements don't got it no more.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3rdEyeVizion
I basically agree with Hollow. I don't want to hear another rehash of the Wu sound at this point. Branching out away from classical Wu production would be far more interesting and it would probably be energizing for the Clan to do something different.
But I think they've branched out from the classic Wu formula and it hasn't worked (likely bc they are not working with the right beat makers, though).Quote:
Originally Posted by ShaDynasty
I think Bronze is consistent. He can do the chill/soul sampled beats or the grimey looped beats. But...I think it could get boring as well.
If they were to do a classic sounding wu album I think their only hope at this point would be Muggs, or a YT producer.
Otherwise, some other producer that just makes hard beats
Last time they branched away from the Wu Tang sound, we got Eight Diagrams and A Better Tomorrow..
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Rza just needs to stop releasing all the shit they record. Imo wu been forcing songs for years now instead of recording lityle by little and pickinf the best shit. Ugod said it himself that they go in the studio and just release whatever they put together in a rushed session.
but i guess when you pay a buncha artists to recreate samples, you gotta end up using the samples/beats/songs that come from it.
i wajt another rza album in the same mold as 8d, just let shit sit and breathe a little with the forcing of songs and overproduction.
its crazy cuz rza been giving artists outside wutang serious heat but i cant even defend ABT... even if my main issue with it is the bad hooks and rhyming itself
Definitely gotta be me on production. Bronze is good, but Cilvaringz is for the children.
I disagree on 8 Diagrams, its dope and actually builds on the Wu sound, just with some experimentation to keep things interesting. I'd go for another record like that in a second.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Daniel Davis
Its been said many times but The Alchemist would do a good job, Griselda etc but even more interesting would be something straight out of leftfield.
Actually ABT had a Wu-Tang sound to it as well, it just sucked.
A few quick thoughts. At this point are we ever getting another Clan album? RZA needs to just use vault beats if he wants to still be considered a good beat maker. And 8D was dope. Always liked it minus a few flaws such as the Heart Gently Weeps being way off the grid beat wise. Ghost and Rae ruined that album and Clan kinda hasn’t been the same since. Peace
I agree honestly, at least 3-5 tracks.
If 4th is bringing boring shit like Necklace, no thank you. More Killarmy type of beats please - Miracle is a hated track due to the hooks but 4th’s job on that beat is a work of art imo.
RZA if it sounds like Tanasia or Twisted Fantasy type of beats would be incredible - just go back to basics.
Bronze beats are cool but they are boring when there are too many. Definietely not the whole album. I didn't know there are people here who still claim that 8 Diagrams was bad album lol. It has more Wu-Tang-ish sound that Iron Flag
Get Cilvaringz to do the beats. He has GodBody beats in the stash.
I agree with a lot that’s being said in this thread. Rza and Wu elements production or nothing IMO.
not the whole album,but he still keeps the kung fu sound of the clan
you've already done that thou, once for the children once for the dolla.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
Kidding bro, would honestly like to hear moon-god make some new bangers!
and ya, im up for some bronze production on at least 2 tracks on a wu album, bout how many he had on boap!!
https://img.cinemablend.com/filter:s...1f3.jpg?mw=600
BINGO. This is better than any RZA/Wu Element beat/song thats dropped in the last 5 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShaDynasty
I see people on the internet keep saying they want a griselda executive produced cuban 3 or wu album and yall guys are fucking nuts. Why take the knockoff when you can get the real thing. Fuck outta here
The Bronze produced Phillie album is one of the best produced projects of the millennium 'til now. If given the opportunity to produce a full Wu album himself, I have full confidence Bronze will bring everything he has to the project and knock it out the park.
Same for Cilva too, BTW...
Thing is, with RZA, I'd want someone to brace him down and direct him on an album. I'm amped on the Ghost beat-selected Wu album in concept b/c Ghost has a great ear for beats and he can veto when RZA veers too far off the mark.
I'd love 4th D, True & Math involvement but, again, I think we need an overseeing hand to not get some of the lackluster contributions they've had in recent years.
Giving someone like Bronze the torch to sculpt the project would give someone with immense underutilized talent the chance to shine and come through under pressure. Imagine if Bronze did the whole of "Made In Brooklyn" or if "Street Corners" spilled into a full Deck album. Everyone should want more core Wu over Bronze.
To repeat tho, Cilva's bringing it too...
I'm not sure why you would say 'knock off'. It's not like Griselda are just Wu biters, they have their own sound that could also work for Wu.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForensikZ
I don't need more Wu style soul beats but I know some disagree. At the end of the day its all just wishing/speculation. Realistically the most we're likely to see is 1 or 2 Bronze beats and maybe 1 Griselda collab.
I hope the Ghost /J.U.S.T.I.C.E. League thing is out of the way by now. Ghost picking beats okay, but not 12 snoozefest JL beats
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=386apNM98Q0
Wu-Tang on Griselda beats.
That beat is sick, I have contributed hundreds of views to that and still continue to. Alchemist and Griselda are a match made in HeavenQuote:
Originally Posted by Hollow Dartz
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Originally Posted by ShaDynasty
they have their own sound? what you mean like remaking the same song over asn dover with lazy boring white kid daringer beats? his shit has no thump. no soul.
both those songs you posted beats are crazy inferior compared to the originals. i know you just showing examples but those beats are trash man lol. daringer will never have a track iller than mighty healthys beat or bangers haas g got with apollo kids, etc
maybe you coudl explain to me what you define their sound to be that im not hearing... but to me its a poor mans wu/mobb/lox. id put bronze as a full step above daringer, even ringz.
in fact, arabian knight, haas g, carlos bess, john the baptist, goldfingaz, ykim, rns, godz wrath >> daringer. let alone the rza, true master, 4th and math. dudes drums are WACk and all his shit is slow and sleepy as fuck. if they aint working with alc or a few other key producers from today they shit is tired. they got like 20 albums between em and maybe 3 of em got people looking back saying they were dope.
the drumless beats? rza did it better
the redundant coke rhymes? rae and ghost do it better
replace the kung fu skits with wrestluing ones, check
all westside gunns adlibs come from ghostface - the splash
even on makingb shit that sneaks into the mainstream, wu did that better. griselda makes nothing but undeerground music with zero replay cause they make the same albums over and over. the first 7-8 wu projects sound NOTHING like each other while maintaining a consistant sound where griseldas shit sounds like 1 giant song. tho i will say, benny trying.
not to be a complete hater.. they got some treacks, they are dope for today but that aint saying a lot.
what do these guys do so unique that wu need help from them. wus only problem was chasing mainstream success. recording tracks like griselda makes was NEVER their issue. they kill every track designed like that ie. cuban 2. i fail to see what they could do for wu that wu hadnt already done, mastered, and left behind
but i fuck with you sha. enlighten me to this 'sound' they "created"
Delusional Wu Fan alert. You probably think A Wu Elements produced Wu album would sound like the good ol' days huh? Oblivious to the fact these guy don't have it no more. When's the last time some requested a john the baptist beat? Y-Kim?! lol this is hilarious. I think that's the hardest part for a lot of guys on this forum. The classic Wu sound is so great that you guys believe these producers can still bring it like that when their production credits show otherwise. Alot of these guys (Wu Elements) most recent shit in the last 5 years haven't been good! Go look it up, their shit isn't that great anymore. It's funny when I see post like "4th in the studio with Meth" ya'll go crazy lol Thinking you're gonna hear some classic Wu sound beat then get none of that. They don't have it anymore. Bronze is boringHe doesn't have 1 project that can stand next to Griselda. The Mach-Hommy "Pray for Hati" shit's all over his Catalog Beats, Bars, Sequence and Sound. Fact is There are other producers that are bringing way more heat out here. It's time to move on. and Actually griselda didn't "create" the sound Roc marciano led the Renaissance of this new wave of underground hip-hop, nobody was doing shit until Marcberg dropped. Griselda just put their own twist on it (nothing wrong with that) and blew up more than Roc due to Westside's style and persona. To say Griselda doesn't have their own sound is absurd though.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForensikZ
There's no point arguing, this is all subjective. I do think some people get frozen in time with their musical taste though, they just can't see beyond certain styles.
Listen to Hollow Dartz and Buddah Mac. But Forenziks got a point re: Griselda sound. It nowhere hits as hard as Wu hit back at their golden run.
Wu Elements? What year is this? Peace
Wu Elements? What year is this? Peace
I would like to see a album where ghost choose beats made by rza. Maybe a song or two from math and bronze. Throw in true master and 4th aswell.
But I agree Rza needs help for direction cause it feels like hes experimenting a bit to much now. I doubt we will ever get that wu sound we miss unless he digs in hes vault if he has any lay aways and produce them to be finished beats.
I think hes just bored with it to be honest and the last two albums where just fan favours. But at the same time the beats you heard on nas and kanyes albums was passed on by the clan so I guess we will see. Hope for the best though.
CilvaringZ easily .
you guys have no fucking idea what he is sitting on. What i heard from his stash is unreal
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Originally Posted by josborne3680
It’s sad to say but Rza isn’t solely responsible for the Wu sound and success, a lot of the classic Wu songs were made by the Wu elements IMO? I think deep down Wu fans know this? But he’s still the abbot and we love him for this and I’m sure on his day he can knockout one of the craziest beats.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaydee3
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Yes, but Wu Elements were also all trained by Rza, so his special techniques are passed on to them..
He produced more or less everything berween 36 chambers to wu forever. Then he fell back as a main producer of the wu albums. And that sound between those albums is what fans want to hear.
Yes maybe true master and 4th produced a song here and there but rza did the bulk of the wu sounds and songs on the albums. 4th had the first two killarmy albums though. Rza did wake the fuck up on the first album though.
Yeah Rza can create crazy beats like on afro samurai he had great beats. But when it comes to wu I think he is tired though. Alot of pressure and alot of egos in the group now. Thats why I said he needs someone to oversee the project to get the best of him and the clan.
I do like Cilvaringz beats but not for a whole album though. Maybe a song or two. I would like to see rza in the style he had around only built from cuban linx and iron man era. I felt that was when he was in hes prime and still hungry.
The last time we got a whole Wu album produced by you we had to wait 88 years to listen to itQuote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
How can you complain about Bronze's production and be cool with a Daringer 2 bar loop for 3 minutes?
Under the beltQuote:
Originally Posted by IronFizt