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Originally Posted by blackwisdom
link just goes to myspace homepage.
Aight. I'll fix it when I get home. It's an audio track with a message, not just a rant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krimewave
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My man sent it as a bulletin on myspace. I can play the link on my computer. I don't know that the problem is. I'll try to save the audio to a link later but for now check out the website that it comes from.
http://www.odwirafo.com/biribimunsempage.html
Sorry for the confusion.
What's with the thread title? I'm not a christian or anything, but did Jesus rub you the wrong way?
i always wondered if jesus had known that his teachings would be used to justify the crusades, the inquisition, heretic/witch trials, and quite possibly inspired more people to kill in his name than would otherwise have done so, you think he woulda just called the whole thing off? i mean talk about blowback.
I don't think it was his intention to become a celebrity either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humanface Huggah
hmm well i'm gonna have to disagree! i'd say that traveling village to village with an entourage of followers saying shit like "repent, for the kingdom of the heavens has drawn near!" insinuating that he himself was the son of god and performing faith healings on the sick, he was most definitely trying to make a name for himself. he might have regretted all that attention once the romans caught wind of a troublemaker in jerusalem, but jesus was a rockstar for that era and he used the celebrity image he'd cultivated to spread his message.
that said i believe his intentions were for the betterment of not only his contemporaries, but for all mankind, and i just have to wonder if the religions that subsequently spawned from his teachings have actually brought us any closer to those goals of peace and brotherhood or if they've really just been used more to divide us.
How can someone who didn't exist harm me? I'm just quoting my man on the audio. Check it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slippy Capalini
http://download.yousendit.com/2C1AEF625ABA6DD2
hahaha that's great. i joked in another thread that jesus was a fictional character and here it shows up as "fact."
yeah the myth surrounding jesus, as created by his nuthugging disciples in the decades after his death, has had vast consequences for this planet. and to undo the global mind hijacking that has occurred it may even be necessary to deny his existence altogether... it's a battle for weak minds and good luck with that. just as billions of people believe jesus was a supernatural being, i'm sure there are plenty of people who will accept at face value that he never even existed.
although he certainly proclaims his beliefs with conviction, the way this guy is trying to spread "african spirituality" is never gonna cut it. the power of christianity comes from two things:
1) imminent destruction of the world with your eternal soul being judged by god to rest either in an infinitely blissful heaven or a tortuous hell.
2) christianity offers a more personal relationship with god than in judaism and the various pagan religions. just take a bath in the river to absolve yourself of past sins, live a virtuous life and god will judge in your favor after your death (which is right around the corner because if any of the normal things don't kill you then the apocalypse most definitely will, oh and did i mention the apocalypse is near? the fucking apocalypse man!)
so unless african spirituality can compete with the buddy god and epic fear mongering of christianity, then there's little hope that this guy will find significant numbers of converts.
No doubt. Even as I researched the truth, it took a long time for the truth about Jesus, etc to finally seep in.
Those that tricked us studied us first.
1) They knew that we were more visual/oral literate,
2) we possess very strong realizations in spiritual energies,
3) our family tradition is King/Queen of our reality, and
4) our every interaction with others is based on our spiritual concepts.
The very light that shines into our religious temples refracts through a White Man that is the sole avatar to our spiritual being. Behind the Big Strong Voiced Oratar that damns us into Christianity is a dying White Man who died for us. It's communication science at it's best.
Black people (or whatever you want to call us today), due to our physiology, are innately linked to the universal energies. We are linked to the commonality of The One. People use this understanding to twist our original concepts which we use to explain this realization in order to control us. By robbing our land, culture (which religion falls under), and history we have been robbed from ourselves.
Kweli said, "They use to ask you who's your master, now they ask you who's your pastor, it's your allegiance that they're trully after." When I proclaim that I no longer pledge allegiance to the God that was brain washed into my ancestors, I'm instantly outcasted. Outcasted by family, associates, co-workers, strangers, etc. If you don't follow what big mama told us then you've committed the ultimate sin (I know that they're talking about this in another thread, but don't relate this to it). You've rebelled against the matriarch. You need an exercism, the devil has possessed you. "You don't believe in Jesus Baby? OOH LAWD TAKE ME NOW!!" Our families solidify the lie.
Black people are soooo superstitious and that's innate with us. Others are as well but we ALL are. I don't mean just, "Oooh you split that pole one block ago. Wait for me and let me go unsplit it." I mean that we know that there is spirit (or as I like to refer to it, energy) that connects all things and we are intuned to it. Our oral traditions and history explain these spirits and what not. These oral traditions and stories guide our interactions in society.
The people who forced these bastardized religions on us were around us long enough to know how to influence us to forget ourselves over time.
A very short story:
In Mali the priests were trying to make it rain cause it was a drought. None of them could make it rain at will. A day or so later a man came with the message of Allah. That day it rained. Mali converted to Islam.
P.S. This isn't just a knock on Christianity but all religions that rob people of their essence.
P.P.S. (if I can do that) I forgot to mention. Due to the fact that we don't educate and socialize our children adequate to their physiology (go read some Amos Wilson), their spirits and minds seldomly elevate to the level that's required in order to flip this monkey around.
Don't get me wrong, I'm usually one of the first ones to make threads like this but I would never come out and say "fuck jesus."Quote:
Originally Posted by blackwisdom
The historical evidence that this man exisited is irrefutable.
And dispite his super star status and the twisting of his teachings, he was in fact a good human being. And my research shows he was in his time one of the original revolutionary warriors.
Let's say in theory, some one took your teachings and ran with it. Made their own relgion out of it by perverting your knowledge.
Would you appreciate someone that siad, Fuck Blackwisdom? He's a fucking cartoon character used for brainwashing black people.
Just have some respect for your fellow man, the thread title is de-constructive.
You told me one time that I have no tact or finesse. And I took that advice to change- to a certain extent, exspecially when it comes to KTL.
Now, i'm telling you- have some respect. Walk like a warrior.
yes you are right on point but jesus is a third f our problem and in reality is not a problem
at all.
In fact that makes manifest the 9th lesson in the 1-14
as an aside, does anyone else find it strange that slippy could be so sure that not only did jesus exist, but that he was "in fact a good human being." i dunno, given that there's very little objective evidence of this historical figure outside of what was written about him by his cult-like following (and transcribed by hand thousands of times), i just don't understand how such a rigorous skeptic like slip would be so easily swayed. i mean, he stood firm in his position that we'll never be able to accept evolution as a fact in spite of a mountain of evidence that supports it, so i would expect slippy to be more cautious about the existence of jesus. because as we all know, jesus was a more common name in the near east than joseph is in america today. also, according to many historical accounts, there were lots of people going around preaching the end of the world. oh and why all the discrepancies in the description of jesus in the gospels. i dunno seems kind of fishy. so maybe slippy should say "in theory jesus was a good human being (if the figure that the new testament referred to even really existed)."Quote:
Originally Posted by Slippy Capalini
and whoever heard of a blond-haired blue-eyed israeli? :?
just a thought *D
I never siad anything about blonde haired or blue eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humanface Huggah
So in theory he was a good person to spawn such a large following. It's a shame we don't strive to be more like Jesus, instead of worshipping Jesus.
did you know the traditional music of many tribes is disappearing because of jesus's followers? tribes that have converted to christianity ban traditional music and replace it with gospel music. i saw a short documentary about some dude who goes to remote regions of the world trying to record tribal music that hasn't yet been influenced by gospel. he was literally chased out of some villages just for suggesting it. it's really sad to think of the monoculture ideology that results from missionary work.
i think the sentiment in the phrase "fuck jesus" isn't to say that jesus was a bad person (as if a corpse cares what people have to say) but that the consequences of his actions has affected many cultures in a negative way, and perhaps we'd all be better off if he'd never existed.
I see your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humanface Huggah
I think the overtones of the recording is it doesn't matter if jesus existed or not, but there's a conspiracy for people to use jesus to control others.
I don't think it's that cut and dry.
My theory:
This man Jesus did good things for his people.
Some people wrote those good things down.
Other people transalted those good things and it became somthing else as the message travled to new places.
People followed these teachings that were changed until it became imbedded in their culture.
Soon people began to believe that their teachings were the right ones, and everyone else was wrong.
They used these teaching to justify their savagery and take advantage of "pagan" cultures.
We can't blame Jesus for people's stupidity.
well if christians got the idea that their religion was the only right one they didn't have to dig too deep into the scripture to justify that belief. jesus from the get go tells people they need to "repent," as in the life you've lived up until now has been wrong and i'm telling you this because i'm right. and he doesn't just say it once; everywhere he goes he tells people to repent. over and over again.
the mission to spread this message to everyone he could (who were all evidently living the wrong way) didn't die with jesus. his passion naturally inspired his followers to convert others to this radical new type of judaism. the early missionaries were crucial to spreading the words of "the messiah" and it was the unprecedented scale of this effort that led to the establishment of the religion and its subsequent proliferation.
so if jesus just wanted to do "good things for his people" then he could've stayed in his village building houses on the cheap and being a really nice guy. but he wanted to change the world and he did. now has that change been for the better or worse?
if we look at where we're at today should we be saying "thank you jesus" or "fuck jesus"?
We could go back and fourth about a man neither of us know to much about, but I say just give the man enough respect to let him rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humanface Huggah
Before you say he doesn't care because he's dead, just think if you would want people bad mouthing your name after your dead when you can't defend yourself.
i just did and i think i'd rather people have the moral fortitude to speak their mind instead of being intimidated into showing false reverence.
jesus tried to bring peace and happiness to the world and failed miserably. he gets an A for effort and an F on execution. deal with it.
Being that I don't believe I'll have any sort of consciousness after I'm dead, I doubt I'd have any reason to care.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slippy Capalini
Please share with me this "irrefutable" evidence that Jesus/Yashua/or whatever folks wanna call him existed. I've studied and found nothing solid outside of Christian scholars. I've heard of the arguments around him like his name, ethnicity, etc, but not of any evidence that he walked the planet and left anything behind. If you have evidence I'd love to add it to my mental rolodex. Please share so I can check myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slippy Capalini
I know of many crucified saviors in many different lands throughout many different times. According to my research (and I'm still researching, I have a long way to go) Ausar and Heru are the only ones that we have actual evidence that they walked the planet.
If the man that these books were written about trully existed then I will retract my Fuck to him, but not to the monster that was created in his name. Not the monster that the pimps, oops I meant preachers, administer to their corporation, opps again I meant congregation. Now to the ones that aren't just pimping their flock and are teaching them survival tactics and are teaching them some spiritual truths, I appologize. But to the businessmen, well I already said the word.
If you tell me that my thread title is deconstructive then I'll respect that, but I won't change it cause I will be deviating from my original mode of thought. Plus I titled it that cause that is my man's theme to his speech. I respect your opinion, so if you say that I'm untactful I'll accept that. Let me tell you how I evaluate his speech.
I don't take his words for absolutes. I seldomly take anyone's words for absolutes, I take the underlying message from it. What I was getting from it was that we need to WAKE UP!!! Why follow perverted knowledge and teachings. Go to the source. If you research the ancient texts of inner Africa, you'll see that the Bible and all of those books come from there. People use those original texts and teachings for their own political means. Let me throw this in there. KMT used religion for political means as well but they didn't put the cart (individuals/society) before the horse (religion/spirituality).
I have much respect but my tolerance is growing low. People can tell me that I'm going to hell if I don't give my soul to Jesus, but when I reveal that Jesus Christ is a farce I'm wrong? I've done enough research to seal the deal for me, I'm just shining some light to attempt to spark a flame for another to look into what s/he's giving her/his soul to.
If that's untactful then everyone who's trying to convert me to Christianity or whatever religion, under the pretenses that I'm going to hell if I don't, is untactful.
Much respect though Slippy Capalini, we still cool.
I need to start reading your replies to people before I reply to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humanface Huggah
If I could afford a diamond ring...Quote:
Originally Posted by Humanface Huggah
Okay, I read the entire page before commenting. I think it's safe to do so now without repeating what was already said.
Please research the pyramid text, coffin text, and the ancient temples of KMT, then read the old and new testiment. You'll find a striking resemblence between the "stupid pagan" text and the Bible. The first everything that's found in the bible is found there, i.e the concept of angels (pictures of the deceased mother painted in their coffin with wings on), the concept of the soul, resurrection of the spirit, crucified savior, baptism, etc. Governments used Christianity and Islam to destroy people's original concept of God and the afterlife and rebuilt it in the image of the conqueror in order to control them in the here and now (PERIOD).Quote:
Originally Posted by Slippy Capalini
Check this out.
Don't believe him. Prove him wrong.
you are an idiotQuote:
Originally Posted by blackwisdom
Jesus did exist
what people are arguing about is
was he really the son of God or just some guy
for those that believe jesus is just as much as a myth as thor, zeus, mythra, osiris, or whomever, you can say fuck jesus quite easily.
there is no proof outside of religious mythology with regards to jesus ever living.
the thread title a lil to much
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Originally Posted by dimi
He replied for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vegan
I'm an idiot cause I don't believe in something that can't be proven to me?
The slogan "Jesus Saves From Hell" is a lil to much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick Fury
How someone gonna tell me that I gotta believe in their God or I'ma suffer in eternal torment? How someone gonna try to terrorise my mind and soul due to their beliefs? How someone gonna chop babies in half, rape mothers, lynch fathers all in the name of Jesus or Allah?
That's a bit much!
Black people rule.
Fuck Jesus?Fuck you bitch..
watch the family guy movie...jesus is a clown
JC was on the census to say he blatantly doesn’t exist is ignorance wither he is or isn’t the son of god is debatableQuote:
Originally Posted by blackwisdom
look i hate Christians just as much as the next person maybe more but I really don’t agree with the view you have with Jesus he was a god man that devoted his life to the bettering of his people in that way he deserve to be revered it doesn’t matter what he did like healing the blind but he helped people just to better there life and in that way he sued be revered the same with Buda, Moses, Mohamed, Allah, ect.
Yall don't even know that Jesus is in YOUR religion Also...and if you do then LMFAO @ your dumb foolish arse.
Did you even listen to the audio? Do your history. No need to get mad at me when you see where those stories in the bible trully come from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Technician
Let me clarify my interpretation of the audio that I posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poison Slug
If a man named Jesus, Yashua, or whatever you want to call him today did exist, I ain't mad at him or dissing him. Just like I won't diss my man El Hajj Malik if people try to make him into something that he wasn't. What I'm saying is that the concept that Jesus (Yashua or whoever) being considered the Christ/Son of God/etc is preposterous and brain numbing.
I'ma steal Dr. Ben's reply, "Don't ask me no cock ass questions!"
Go research the coffin text, and the medu of Tut Ankh Amum's tomb. They tell the story of life, death, spiritual resurrection, and the after life.
If you want to look at Christianity research Ethiopia/Axum.
Don't get mad at me for sharing the "in your face" approach to perpetuated lies that too many of Earth's population have accepted.
Sem Hotep
Actually, Moses was an awful person if you look at him from a modern perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poison Slug
from Book of Numbers:
31:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
31:2 Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people.
31:3 And Moses spake unto the people, saying, Arm some of yourselves unto the war, and let them go against the Midianites, and avenge the LORD of Midian.
31:4 Of every tribe a thousand, throughout all the tribes of Israel, shall ye send to the war.
31:5 So there were delivered out of the thousands of Israel, a thousand of every tribe, twelve thousand armed for war.
31:6 And Moses sent them to the war, a thousand of every tribe, them and Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, to the war, with the holy instruments, and the trumpets to blow in his hand.
31:7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.
31:8 And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.
31: 9 And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.
31:10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.
31:11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.
31:12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.
31:13 And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.
31:14 And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.
31:15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
31:16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
31:19 And do ye abide without the camp seven days: whosoever hath killed any person, and whosoever hath touched any slain, purify both yourselves and your captives on the third day, and on the seventh day.
31:20 And purify all your raiment, and all that is made of skins, and all work of goats' hair, and all things made of wood.
31:21 And Eleazar the priest said unto the men of war which went to the battle, This is the ordinance of the law which the LORD commanded Moses;
31:22 Only the gold, and the silver, the brass, the iron, the tin, and the lead,
31:23 Every thing that may abide the fire, ye shall make it go through the fire, and it shall be clean: nevertheless it shall be purified with the water of separation: and all that abideth not the fire ye shall make go through the water.
31:24 And ye shall wash your clothes on the seventh day, and ye shall be clean, and afterward ye shall come into the camp.
31:25 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
31:26 Take the sum of the prey that was taken, both of man and of beast, thou, and Eleazar the priest, and the chief fathers of the congregation:
31:27 And divide the prey into two parts; between them that took the war upon them, who went out to battle, and between all the congregation:
31:28 And levy a tribute unto the Lord of the men of war which went out to battle: one soul of five hundred, both of the persons, and of the beeves, and of the asses, and of the sheep:
31:29 Take it of their half, and give it unto Eleazar the priest, for an heave offering of the LORD.
31:30 And of the children of Israel's half, thou shalt take one portion of fifty, of the persons, of the beeves, of the asses, and of the flocks, of all manner of beasts, and give them unto the Levites, which keep the charge of the tabernacle of the LORD.
31:31 And Moses and Eleazar the priest did as the LORD commanded Moses.
31:32 And the booty, being the rest of the prey which the men of war had caught, was six hundred thousand and seventy thousand and five thousand sheep,
31:33 And threescore and twelve thousand beeves,
31:34 And threescore and one thousand asses,
31:35 And thirty and two thousand persons in all, of women that had not known man by lying with him.
31:36 And the half, which was the portion of them that went out to war, was in number three hundred thousand and seven and thirty thousand and five hundred sheep:
31:37 And the LORD's tribute of the sheep was six hundred and threescore and fifteen.
31:38 And the beeves were thirty and six thousand; of which the LORD's tribute was threescore and twelve.
31:39 And the asses were thirty thousand and five hundred; of which the LORD's tribute was threescore and one.
31:40 And the persons were sixteen thousand; of which the LORD's tribute was thirty and two persons.
31:41 And Moses gave the tribute, which was the LORD's heave offering, unto Eleazar the priest, as the LORD commanded Moses.
31:42 And of the children of Israel's half, which Moses divided from the men that warred,
31:43 (Now the half that pertained unto the congregation was three hundred thousand and thirty thousand and seven thousand and five hundred sheep,
31:44 And thirty and six thousand beeves,
31:45 And thirty thousand asses and five hundred,
31:46 And sixteen thousand persons; )
31:47 Even of the children of Israel's half, Moses took one portion of fifty, both of man and of beast, and gave them unto the Levites, which kept the charge of the tabernacle of the LORD; as the LORD commanded Moses.
31:48 And the officers which were over thousands of the host, the captains of thousands, and captains of hundreds, came near unto Moses:
31:49 And they said unto Moses, Thy servants have taken the sum of the men of war which are under our charge, and there lacketh not one man of us.
31:50 We have therefore brought an oblation for the LORD, what every man hath gotten, of jewels of gold, chains, and bracelets, rings, earrings, and tablets, to make an atonement for our souls before the LORD.
31:51 And Moses and Eleazar the priest took the gold of them, even all wrought jewels.
31:52 And all the gold of the offering that they offered up to the LORD, of the captains of thousands, and of the captains of hundreds, was sixteen thousand seven hundred and fifty shekels.
31:53 (For the men of war had taken spoil, every man for himself.)
31:54 And Moses and Eleazar the priest took the gold of the captains of thousands and of hundreds, and brought it into the tabernacle of the congregation, for a memorial for the children of Israel before the LORD.
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Originally Posted by Slippy Capalini
Soon people began to believe that their teachings were the right ones, and everyone else was wrong.
They used these teaching to justify their savagery and take advantage of "pagan" cultures.
We can't blame Jesus for people's stupidity.
Isn't this what I just siad? I think you mixed my words up a little bit and the message I was trying communicate was lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackwisdom
I wasn't calling what some people consider "pagan" cultures stupid. I was refering to people who try and convert others into their religion, for example christian missionaries.