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I don't think this needs explanation. I would like aliens to exist, just because I think it's an interesting idea, but in my search for proof I've only come across grainy photographs and videos, and ancient architecture (Nazca lines, etc). So, does anyone have proof, or even some hard facts that have led you to come to the conclusion that aliens are in fact real, and have/had a presence on our planet?
(And if you're gonna tell me you saw them yourself or something - don't.)
mathematics tell you we're not alone in the universe.
that we've been visited or that aliens are among us is probable but I have no proof of it. But you think if humans manage to not kill ourselves over the next 8 thousand years is it any doubt that we'd have galaxy-spanning rocket ships ourselves?
here's a cell phone from the 80's
http://www.markdroberts.com/images/c...-old-big-4.jpg
There had to be civilizations being formed before the Earth even existed.
i hope soQuote:
There had to be civilizations being formed before the Earth even existed.
if they are going to visit, i hope they arent anything like us or else we are in for some trouble
now that you have proof, what are you going to do?
our system is a baby compared to the age of other stars.
there are systems and consequently, civilizations, that are millions and billions of years older than ours.
check that alex collier thread if you want to hear some interesting info about aliens and their involvement with humanity.
George Carlin has a great bit in his book When Will Jesus Bring the Porkchops about people's belief in god vs. people's belief in ETs, and how one seems more believable/possible/logical than the other. It doesn't prove anything, but should make people think about what we've been told for thousands of years.
its real enough that earth governments got plasma weapons pointed at space
http://www.southernhospitality.co.uk...wayne-gq-2.jpg
we and him are not the same, he's a martian
Can you explain how mathematics explains that we're not alone in the universe? What is the equation for that explanation?Quote:
Originally Posted by Visionz
Can you explain why there had to be civilization formed before the Earth ever existed?
I've seen that clip a bunch of times, and I don't think it shows anything at all. I'm pretty sure those are ice crystals....Quote:
Originally Posted by PALEHORSE
Okay, so the first video response on youtube to that first video debunks it for me, and that second one is just a light in the dark. What does that prove?Quote:
Originally Posted by WUnded Fox
What are you doing?? I'll follow your lead.Quote:
Originally Posted by WUnded Fox
ok please debunk for me how an ice crystal can make intelligence maneuvers while being shot at.
i posted fake videos because it doesn't matter.
regardless of what evidence is provided you will find a reason to disregard it.
instead of asking for proof i think you should be asking for aliens to come visit you.
but the most telling part of that vid is the fact that the camera tracked the object's movements as it stopped, changed direction, and ACCELERATED out of orbit.Quote:
Originally Posted by PALEHORSE
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Originally Posted by Black Man
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake%27s_equation
I think this is what he was referring to. It's the Drake Equation.
FROM WIKIPEDIA
The Drake equation states that:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/8/4...a0054683de.pngwhere:
N = the number of civilizations in our galaxy with which communication might be possible;and
R* = the average rate of star formation per year in our galaxyfp = the fraction of those stars that have planetsne = the average number of planets that can potentially support life per star that has planetsfℓ = the fraction of the above that actually go on to develop life at some pointfi = the fraction of the above that actually go on to develop intelligent lifefc = the fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into spaceL = the length of time such civilizations release detectable signals into space.[3]
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def not saying this is proof. Just saw this on youtube under "recommended" at the same time I was going into this thread. So I thought I'd post. Anyone seen that movie?
HETEPU
What we know: Life-sustaining planet per unexceptionable star: 1 in 8Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Man
Number of stars in the Milky Way Galaxy (alone and mid-sized at that) anywhere from 100 to 400 billion
Number of observable galaxies in the known universe, around 170 billion.
Those are the raw numbers. You can come up with whatever mathematical equation you like.
Because carbon seeds float around the universe like a good seed looking for good soil. Where life can happen life will happen. It took a billion years for it to happen on Earth, a planet that is 4.5 billion years old. The Big Bang happened some 13.5 billion years ago, hence life started somewhere else before Earth because Earth wasn't the first place in the universe that could sustain life.Quote:
Can you explain why there had to be civilization formed before the Earth ever existed?
The History channel hosted a documentary called Ancient Astronauts. You can find it on youtube. I suggest giving it a view. Good watch.
there is intelligent life on the moon, mars, phobos, io, europa and neptune.
yeah i said it.
if there is intelligent life on the moon, how come science wizards cant zoom in and look at the shit
dark side of the moon???
they have. there are pictures of buildings old and new on the moon.Quote:
Originally Posted by ALCATRAZ
sometimes they just airbrush them out.
http://www.hallofthegods.org/uploade...584-760444.jpg
sometimes you just gotta look carefully
sometimes its staring you right in the face
here is a map if you want to go to the nasa or jap-nasa site, pull up moon pics and go searching.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/an...nd/142_001.gif
there are whole cities, domes, vehicles and all kinds of shit.
they are going to release this info this year, but it will be just that there are ruins on the moon.
its the 1st step.
this is what they said when they found water on the moon...
WUnded Fox is smoking the CHRONIC shit!!! Dude. you should be much more critical of your sources. Ruins? and NASA is the only one looking at the moon with a high power telescope.... In your final video you think the satellite that left a crater shot up a little bit of moon Ruin with those 12 buckets of water? Bwuahahahahaha
not one of your better posts, we'll chalk it up to being early and you being rusty.
so i'm going to dumb it down just for you.
THE DISCOVERY OF WATER IS JUST A PRETEXT FOR DISCLOSURE.
1ST WATER
2ND MICROBIAL LIFE
3RD RUINS
4TH CONTACT OR UFO DISCLOSURE
THE DISCOVERY OF INTELLIGENT LIFE IS NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN JUST SPRING ON PEOPLE. RIDGED MINDED PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF MAY DO THINGS LIKE QUIT THEIR JOB OR COMMIT SUICIDE. ITS A WORLD SHATTERING PIECE OF INFO.
within the past few months, the royal society and the vatican have had meetings to discuss the impact of such an event and how to handle it. these are two of the most scientifically conservative institutions in the world. the vatican is still against birth control but they release a statement saying that any alien is "one of god's children"?
seti has released all data and coding to the public.
they found water on the moon but say thats not all they found "there's a whole lot more than just the water.." "it's not just about the water now..."
what do you think that means?
i'll tell you what it means.
it means "be prepared to hear that we found life."
life which they've known about since the late 1940's, and saw in the 60's when they went to the moon, and continue to explore the moon today. and when i say explore, i don't mean with probes.
none of those pics were taken with telescopes. they were orbiting satellites.
who else has those besides us and the japan?
the japs took HD vid of the moon last year.
you should peep what they saw.
its all there smart guy. its all there.
You cant be right if your not prepared for a bomb of knowledge to drop on yo ass and you didn't come prepared.
last thursday brittan released its classified documents on UFOs.
out of 11,000 cases investigated by the gov, 10% were unexplainable.
one report from the chief of defense stated that "UFOs are real and are of an interplanetary origin"
but thats 11,000 cases, 1,100 unexplained ufos and all it takes is for 1...1 case to be real for the lid to be blown off the whole issue. and thats just a small island.
I think it's very highly possible that there's life, but flying saucers and alien invasions aren't things that I'm too scared of to be honest.
if we had a reason to fear them we'd be dead already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mass Effekt
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Originally Posted by WUnded Fox
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You should try reading a book called, "Secrets In The Fields: The Science and Mysticism of Crop Circles." That is one source that, to me, proves that there are aliens among us and that they visit us quite often. Many of you believe that it's the work of farmers, the author puts that theory to rest immediately because, aside from the measurements being terribly wrong when a human formed crop circle appears, the crops are just smashed and ruined. Real crop circles have unexplained phenomena like electro-magnetic properties, the crops are also swirled into a perfect circle, usually leaving one or two crops standing dead-center. The geometric shapes are formed with uncanny precision as well.
I believe it was WUnded Fox that made mention of there having to have been civilizations older than ours because of the infant state of being that our's is in. This is the truth. Which is why most of these visitors are leaving such signs. Most we don't recognize, we only see cool shapes and images. Occasionally though, within crop circles have been found The Yin & Yang symbol and The Tree of Life found in Kabbalistic Schools.
My take on it, the proof is in the New Age section of your local bookstore. Read the facts because you won't find a lot of up close & personal proof unless you master ESP and can peek into Area 51.
Dark Mission: The Secret History of NASA.Quote:
Originally Posted by UnequivocallyCorrect
You need to read that because there's a LOT more shit on the moon that rocks and sand.
not orbiting around the moon.
only US did until last year japan.
the soviets tried a bunch of times and failed badly.
the soviets landed a probe and did a flyby. they took about 23 pictures of the moon most recently 1976.
only 11 of these pics were published.
A lot of interesting stuff here Fox, so what's your conclusion?
@ UJ
i got dark mission.
somebody needs to make a movie out of that book.
i'll have to check for the secrets in the fields. sounds interesting. there are some crop circles that are way beyond farmers.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_4A9r9yKkkN...ugust+2004.jpg
i'm reading the "terra papers" right now. if you want to check it out i can send you the PDF. its a consolidated native american history book. but its not about their history so to speak, it's about galactic history. man... it shifted my perspective a bit.
im just cracking open the matrix series by val valerian. took me forever to find it. they are like 100 bux a piece but i got all 5 on download. like 3000 somethin pages of fire.
at the risk of losing any sliver of credibility i have here....Quote:
Originally Posted by Mass Effekt
there are more stars in the universe than there are grains of sand on every beach on earth. we are a microbe on one of the newest grains of sand wondering if our existence is unique. it seems silly when you look at it like that.
life is everywhere in our solar system, galaxy and universe, even in space.
just like in every nook and cranny of earth you can find life, even in the most extreme conditions you can find life thriving. radioactive toxic waste supports life, active volcanoes support life, even rocket fuel grows bacteria.
there are intelligent alien beings that live underground on the moon mars and earth. the earths crust is 800 MILES DEEP.
there are intelligent beings visiting earth from other galaxies, planets and stars. some have even set up colonies here, we know them as atlantis and lemuria. there were also colonies in brazil, china and all over africa.
there are intelligent beings that have been here before humans and thruout man's history.
man has documented his interactions with various beings in ancient texts, including the new testament, koran and torah.
man has documented his interactions in artwork from all time periods and cultures.
man continues to document it using modern technology.
we have had, and continue to have contact with ETs whether it be abductions, gov bases like 51 and groom lake, contactees, or even otherworldy humans that walk among us.
i could go on but i don't want to sound like a lunatic. lol
fermi's paradox doesn't account for suppression of evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by WARPATH
but regardless, people see ufos all the time.
mexico has caught some of the greatest footage.
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Originally Posted by WUnded Fox
Explanations of the paradox do however.
Men in Black?
MIB
army airforce navy
scientific community
nasa
all guilty.
disclosure is a delicate subject.
if obama came on the tv today and told the truth, the rest of the world would be asking their leader what they know.
then the questions like "how did they get here?" "what do they use for ENERGY?" "WHAT ELSE ARE YOU HIDING?" come up.
disclosure, if done wrong, could destroy society as we know it, which might not be such a bad thing but you don't want chaos in the street.
and just because they disclose evidence and info doesn't mean the ETs will come down and say hello. it might not change anything after the shock wears off.
then i was thinking that mfs might not even care, they got too many other things to worry about.
but the energy/space travel issue is far reaching.
i also was reading that there will be no formal disclosure and that the internet is doing the job slowly over time.
meaning that if you want evidence, look it up. its there.
those that can handle it, will.
those that can't will be able to carry on with life without being it destroyed.
I think the only people we would have to worry about are the religious nut jobs.
Send me that pdf Style, if you could please.