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what the hell am i supposed to say to you? what relevance can i bring to the conversation that you won't just brush off? You've obviously made up your mind. What can I say to change it? Almost everything you have said in this thread has been cliches and rhetoric. So how am I supposed to compete with that?Quote:
Originally Posted by noel411
So what is the consensus? Not the opinion of this thread, I don't believe. Fishscale is almost gold now. So get 500,000 people to say he's wack on this thread and I will cosign on the dotted line. Until then....GHOST IS THE SHIT. So take a big whiff.Quote:
Originally Posted by B O T
Maybe there is nothing you can say? I'd be open to a good explanation of what makes Ghost's more recent releases exceptional, or what makes Ghost's form over the last few years exceptional, or what separates Ghost from other mainstream artists lyrically, but I'm yet to see one.Quote:
Originally Posted by beautifulrock
wowwwww lolQuote:
Originally Posted by noel411
you must not listen to the radio much at all
I don't and never would. I listen to an aboriginal community radio station at work. I would sooner die than listen to a commercial radio station or watch a music videos show.
But yeah, by mainstream I don't mean pop music. I mean commercial hip hop like G Unit and whoever else is popular these days.
I'm so shocked you feel that way:stroke:Quote:
Originally Posted by noel411
It's not to say that all other posts in this thread were worthless, just that nobody has offered a solid argument against what I'm saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by hide1998
Wait a sec, are you implying that Ghostface is no different from G-Unit? Whoa...now you've completely lost any logistical cred to your argument of Ghost falling off. The fact that you can't distinguish between the stylings of Ghostface and G-Unit speaks VOLUMES for your interpretation of lyrics and style.Quote:
Originally Posted by noel411
Could you list some G-Unit tracks that are at all like say....
Alex, Underwater, Metal Lungies, or Fire.
Hell, I'll throw you one even easier (as I'm sure you'll quickly cop out of the above). Tell me ANY MTV beloved MC that has any recent tracks like the above.
Your simplistic arguments along the lines of "Nothin' I haven't heard from Nelly, T.I., Snoop, or Jay-Z" or brush off lines to advert answering the question like "The radio and MTV play shitty music, so I don't listen/watch any of it" hardly fall into what can be described as posts with "substance and relevant observations."
Like I've said several times, I'm not talking about G Unit specifically. I don't even know any of their music aside from 50's albums. I just use them as an example because I don't know any commercial hip hop. I'm just talking about general commercial hip hop. Shit that I catch here and there on tv or in shops or whatever. Just your typical bland, cliche, boring standard bullshit lyrics. And I know Ghost has songs where he's written lyrics that are more thoughtful and original than that sort of shit, but I'm not talking about every one of his songs. I'm talking about him over the last few years as a lyricist in general. I'm sure those other chart rappers have a few worthwhile lyrical songs on their albums too.
And please lay off those ridiculous exaggerations and stop putting words in my mouth. I never said anything to suggest I think "Ghost is no different than G Unit". I said there is nothing that separates him from most commercial rappers, lyrically. So please stop stretching my words. I'm tired of having to explain myself more than I should have to.
1st of all if you don't listen to g-unit at all then how can you use them as an example? That argument is bogus. And you say nothing lately of ghosts has any substance... I beg to differ.
Shakey dog
RAGU
big girl
holla
alex (stolen script)
underwater
Whip you with a strap
Momma
Ghost is back
guns and razors
street opera
josephine
you know im no good
charlie brown
kilo
and I would bet dollars to donuts you haven't even heard half these tracks. Stop speaking in generalities and bring some real evidence to the table. Show examples of why ghost has fallen off. Post lyrics and break them down. Don't just say you know what, I haven't heard much of more fish but i think ghost has fallen off and gotten boring. I have absolutely nothing to back this up other than my boy sent me some lyrics from a bad song and now my mind is made up. Ghost is Wack. Show and prove son,show and prove. You can say my posts have been very opinionated and I admit they have, but at least I've tried to back that shit up. Most of your arguments have been maligned by your inability to look past your own hatred for ghost.
there. I gave you 15 solid arguments.
Thinking Ghost isn't as good as he was back in the day is one thing, but you certainly can't link him to what you have (I'm directly quoting you here) pigeon holed him into above.Quote:
Originally Posted by noel411
That alone should signifying he's anything but boring. One of things I purposely did was list a track for a different album to demonstrate how for EVERY Ghostface album he isn't doing what anyone else is doing. That should demonstrate right off the bat that Ghost goes against the grain of "commercial hip hop."
You say "I'm talking about him over the last few years as a lyricist in general" which might really mean something if those were the ONLY tracks from said album for which Ghost goes left, while everyone else is going right. But that's not at all the case. I could list more and more tracks but since you've clearly made a very stubborn stance about Ghost it feels as though it would be met with something along the lines of,"Yeah, all those tracks are ok, but those are the ONLY tracks he has going for him," no matter how many are listed (thus disproving your "lyricist in general" argument).
But, then again, since my opinion is not in line with yours I'm sure, like so many others, it'll be brushed off as having "nothing relevant with substance to say." Sad, but as the history of this thread has demonstrated, it's likely to happen.
Oh for fucks sake, I'm just going around in circles here.
I am not talking about G Unit specifically. I am talking about commercial hip hop in general. Let me repeat that again...Quote:
1st of all if you don't listen to g-unit at all then how can you use them as an example?
I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT G UNIT SPECIFICALLY.
How many times am I gonna have to say it?
No I did NOT say this. I said Ghost's lyrics IN GENERAL over the last few years offer no more than other commercial artists.Quote:
And you say nothing lately of ghosts has any substance.
Please, please note the IN GENERAL. There is a big difference between IN GENERAL and NOTHING.
Once again, how many times am I gonna have to repeat this?
I don't know song names well, but I have heard all his albums and shitloads of unreleased tracks too. I find that a lot of the unreleased ones are actually pretty good. Pity he doesn't use them to spice up his albums, which is what we're talking about here.Quote:
and I would bet dollars to donuts you haven't even heard half these tracks
This thread is about Ghost in general, so I will continue to speak in generalities.Quote:
Stop speaking in generalities and bring some real evidence to the table
You have every right to suggest I do that, and it would certainly serve to solidify my argument, but the truth is that I really just couldn't be bothered going to such lengths right now.Quote:
Show examples of why ghost has fallen off. Post lyrics and break them down
I've heard the whole thing a couple of times, and I had no desire to ever hear it again. I think that is a great indication of his becoming boring.Quote:
Don't just say you know what, I haven't heard much of more fish but i think ghost has fallen off and gotten boring
You people just fucking love to exaggerate and put words in my mouth don't you? This is just such a ridiculous comment I really shouldn't have even bothered acknowledging it.Quote:
I have absolutely nothing to back this up other than my boy sent me some lyrics from a bad song and now my mind is made up
Wow. My "hatred for Ghost". I don't "hate" Ghost at all. I just think he's become a very average artist and completely lost appeal. Why would I hate him? What an incredibly loose usage of such a powerful word.Quote:
Most of your arguments have been maligned by your inability to look past your own hatred for ghost
hide1998, I'll take that post as an "agree to disagree" statement and accept it.
Are you tired of this bullshit yet? I'm not. mwahahahahahahahahahQuote:
Originally Posted by noel411
show and prove. otherwise your entire argument is baseless.
and for god's sake, puuuulease stop backpeddling. It's really annoying and pointless. You don't always have to take every word we say and prove that you are right. try bringing something new to the table, otherwise this thread is through.
Congrats on your second ever Platinum Thread.
but this thread is getting boring.