Views On Islam

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Originally Posted by diggy

I'm not a follower of Rashad. I take truth from wherever it is. The fact is, some so-called "muslims" follow weak hadith over the Quran which is pure.

Salaat as a physical prayer cannot be justified in Quran because the physical movements are not explained in the Quran. Allah also says the Quran is complete. Now if Quran is complete, and it does not have explanation of how to do salaat as a physical prayer, then your "salaat" is not ordaned by Allah. It is ordained by hearsayers.

Hadith means story or narration. That's basically what it is. It is a bunch of stories pased on to succeeding generations (starting about 250 yrs after Muhammads death PBUH).

A scientist did a study a few yrs ago. on peeps memories. In this study, he told people a statement. The people were then asked individually to recall the statement. They all told the statement back to the experimenter and it was faulty because their memories were faulty.

Hadith are a bunch of statements. If the people in the study could not remember the exact words of a statement over a period of minutes, how can numerous people remember with accuracy so-called statements from a Prophet over a period of 250 yrs?

And why would u follow such statements? Are those statements divine like the Quran? How can those hadiths be divine like Quran when they are divided into categories of strong hadith, weak hadith with poor narration, and hadith with no narrators?

The Quran is the only thing prophet Muhammad PBUH brought. After he brought forth Quran he died, cuz his mission was complete.

Hadith came after about 250 yrs after Prophets' death. Muhammad did not bring it others did. So do you follow the last Prophet or hearsayers who claim the prophet said things 250 yrs after his death?

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The generation of people who lived during the time of Muhammad (PBUH) and the two generations after those, are known as "The Best of Generations", therefore, the bulk of hadiths related in the Sunnah are trustworthy to those who have faith. The Salat is described in The Qur'an, but it's described further and in greater detail in The Sunnah. Don't think the Sunnah is "just a bunch of stories" because it's much, much more. The fact that other people recorded them, doesn't automatically make teh irrelevant. I've seem some questionable ones and those I properly discard, about 98% of the Sunnah is easily related to true Islam though. All that stuff about music being a bad thing is madness and a few other 'weak hadiths' have been spotted by the Islamic Schools of Thought.

Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is the best example of a Muslim that we have and it makes perfect sense for him (pbuh) to tell us to follow his example, a lot of which is laid down in The Sunnah, along with The Qur'an. Some Muslims don't follow the Sunnah, and that's entirely on them. Personally, I'd rather incorporate everything with the sheer intention of doing the right thing, so even if it wasn't what I was supposed to do, I still get an "A" for effort. Disputation over the fact that someone else wrote it, to me, is just a waste of time, time that we don't have, and that's passing faster than it used to.

I follow The Sunnah because a lot of it makes sense to me. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), through Allah and Gabriel (upon whom be peace), brought The Qur'an unto mankind, but his (pbuh) example is still just as important. Aisha (upon whom be peace) said that, "In watching Muhammad (PBUH), you can see The Qur'an in it's full performance." There's more than stories in there, there are prophecies, vivid descriptions that aren't in The Qur'an, but that build on what we've read in there and also priceless lessons.

Have you read "The Arab Conspiracy Against Islam"?

If you have, and you should if you are seeking the truth, you would know that the arabs have deliberately mistranslated many words and their meanings in the Quran. They did this out of arrogance ( in my opinion) of being the people who have received "the book" and to finance Saudi Arabia with yearly Hajj money from those who perform it. I strongly suggest the book.

Do the knowledge from the book and compare certain verses from the Quran that uses the same words, but are translated differently according to the translater's preference - to mislead people.

Examples:

Yu-Sol-lee Twice In Chapter 3 Verse 39 and Chapter 33 Verse 43


(a) In Chapter 33 Verse 43 it is translated as God and the Angels ‘Blessed’ the believers. NOT ‘Ritual Prayers’.


(b) But in Chapter 3 Verse 39 it is translated as Zachariah was doing the ‘Ritual Prayers’


Sol-luu Once In Chapter 33 Verse 56 it is translated as the people must sol-luu or Honor the prophet. NOT ‘Ritual Prayer’.


Yu-Sol-lu Thrice In Chapter 4 Verse 102 (2 times)& Once in Chapter 33 Verse 56).


(a) In Chapter 33 Verse 56 it is translated God and the angels ‘Blessed’ the prophet for the word ‘Yu-sol-lu’.


(b) But in Chapter 4 Verse 102 the same word is translated as ‘Ritual Prayers’ (yusollu) on both counts.

These are just a few examples.

Some more are:

Why are the same words Solaa-waa-tee in the Chapter 2 Verse238 (guard your ‘solaa-waatee’) and Chapter 9 Verse 99 (the messenger’s solaa-waatee) understood differently?

Why are the same words Solaa-waa-tun in the Chapter 2 Verse157 (ulaa ika alaihim sola-waatun) and Chapter 22 Verse 40 (wa solaa-waatun, wa masaajidu) translated with different meanings?

These examples I gave are copies from the book I've pasted. I strongly suggest you open up Quran and realize the translators mistranslated certain words and concepts to perpetrate a lie.

And as we know the ones who lie about god are the worst.


If you haven't read the book, I could start a thread and copy and paste the book in there. It is long. So then you could copy and paste it to a word document and save it on your computer.

^^thats why you better learn arabic and read the book in his original form.

exactly the english versions of the holy quar,an should not be even classed as the the qu,ran the meaning is totally different, learn arabic if you want to study the book

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Originally Posted by Urban_Journalz

The generation of people who lived during the time of Muhammad (PBUH) and the two generations after those, are known as "The Best of Generations", therefore, the bulk of hadiths related in the Sunnah are trustworthy to those who have faith. The Salat is described in The Qur'an, but it's described further and in greater detail in The Sunnah. Don't think the Sunnah is "just a bunch of stories" because it's much, much more. The fact that other people recorded them, doesn't automatically make teh irrelevant. I've seem some questionable ones and those I properly discard, about 98% of the Sunnah is easily related to true Islam though. All that stuff about music being a bad thing is madness and a few other 'weak hadiths' have been spotted by the Islamic Schools of Thought.

Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is the best example of a Muslim that we have and it makes perfect sense for him (pbuh) to tell us to follow his example, a lot of which is laid down in The Sunnah, along with The Qur'an. Some Muslims don't follow the Sunnah, and that's entirely on them. Personally, I'd rather incorporate everything with the sheer intention of doing the right thing, so even if it wasn't what I was supposed to do, I still get an "A" for effort. Disputation over the fact that someone else wrote it, to me, is just a waste of time, time that we don't have, and that's passing faster than it used to.

I follow The Sunnah because a lot of it makes sense to me. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), through Allah and Gabriel (upon whom be peace), brought The Qur'an unto mankind, but his (pbuh) example is still just as important. Aisha (upon whom be peace) said that, "In watching Muhammad (PBUH), you can see The Qur'an in it's full performance." There's more than stories in there, there are prophecies, vivid descriptions that aren't in The Qur'an, but that build on what we've read in there and also priceless lessons.

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also theres a difference between Sunnah and Hadith, and that is that, the Sunnah is the actions of Muhammad (saws) and the Hadith are narrations about these actions.

wasalaam

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Originally Posted by Golden_Armz

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also theres a difference between Sunnah and Hadith, and that is that, the Sunnah is the actions of Muhammad (saws) and the Hadith are narrations about these actions.

wasalaam

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No doubt. Ma As Sallama

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Originally Posted by Hellspawn

^^thats why you better learn arabic and read the book in his original form.

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Whether I'm reading Quran in english mistranslations or not does not matter when Imams and so-called "muslims" are all teaching mistranslated lessons to others. If you ask any "muslim" about islam they say the same misconscrued interpretations of it just like Yusef Ali and others.

My weakness is not the lack of knowing arabic cuz just like a person is not familiar with a word in a sentence, they can still find out that meaning by comparing/contrasting how that word is used in other sentences. The Quran is full of verses (sentences) that use some words over again in different contexts. It is then possible to do logical deductions with those verses that use the same word in question and finding the meaning of it by the way it is translated.

Learning arabic does not necessarily mean I will understand Quran. Have you forgotten that in the Quran itself, Allah labels some of the arabs (who understand and speak arabic) as rejecters, as deaf, dumb and blind, the staunchest in unbelief even though the message was delivered in their mother tongue?

Therefore, beleif is not based on understanding language, because somewhere in Quran it is stated that Allah may cause the word to be known to people who will beleive in it more than the arabs and who will be beloved by Allah ( just a paraphrase of a verse from Quran that I read long time ago).

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Originally Posted by diggy

Whether I'm reading Quran in english mistranslations or not does not matter when Imams and so-called "muslims" are all teaching mistranslated lessons to others. If you ask any "muslim" about islam they say the same misconscrued interpretations of it just like Yusef Ali and others.

My weakness is not the lack of knowing arabic cuz just like a person is not familiar with a word in a sentence, they can still find out that meaning by comparing/contrasting how that word is used in other sentences. The Quran is full of verses (sentences) that use some words over again in different contexts. It is then possible to do logical deductions with those verses that use the same word in question and finding the meaning of it by the way it is translated.

Learning arabic does not necessarily mean I will understand Quran. Have you forgotten that in the Quran itself, Allah labels some of the arabs (who understand and speak arabic) as rejecters, as deaf, dumb and blind, the staunchest in unbelief even though the message was delivered in their mother tongue?

Therefore, beleif is not based on understanding language, because somewhere in Quran it is stated that Allah may cause the word to be known to people who will beleive in it more than the arabs and who will be beloved by Allah ( just a paraphrase of a verse from Quran that I read long time ago).

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1-look, i wasnt tryin to offend you by sayin this but SOME of the words you tried to explain the meanings of are plain clair in arabic, i mean it couldnt be that or that meanning, feel me?

2-but i'm not against the whole concept of tryin to understand and explain some words but when you go so much into logic, you have a big chance to go wrong because the book is not supposed to be explained fully, some ideas/concept are from El Ghaib (unseen/understandable only by god).

3-and of course some arabs are deaf dumb and blind (like with every religion) but i'll add more than that; especially the arabs are deaf dumb and blind, i mean alot of them and it's the fact that the Quran is written in arabic that they understand it the way they want therefore they legitimate their wrong actions.

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Originally Posted by Hellspawn

1-look, i wasnt tryin to offend you by sayin this but SOME of the words you tried to explain the meanings of are plain clair in arabic, i mean it couldnt be that or that meanning, feel me?

2-but i'm not against the whole concept of tryin to understand and explain some words but when you go so much into logic, you have a big chance to go wrong because the book is not supposed to be explained fully, some ideas/concept are from El Ghaib (unseen/understandable only by god).

3-and of course some arabs are deaf dumb and blind (like with every religion) but i'll add more than that; especially the arabs are deaf dumb and blind, i mean alot of them and it's the fact that the Quran is written in arabic that they understand it the way they want therefore they legitimate their wrong actions.

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who are you to say anybody is dumb deaf and blind? especially when you express the characteristics of a person who is blind deaf and dumb yourself.

Al-Ghaib does not mean "unseen" in arabic. The Muslim writers of today deceptively translate that word as "Unseen." However, the word does not mean "unseen" in Arabic. It means "absent" or "to withdraw ones presence from." Allah is not here described by the Qur'an as an invisible bieng, but as one who has made Himself absent until the Day of Judgment at which time He will make His presence known again. This is why the faithful have to wait until that Day before they could "see their Lord." If you weren't blind deaf and dumb you would easily and clearly see this.

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Originally Posted by Black Man

who are you to say anybody is dumb deaf and blind? especially when you express the characteristics of a person who is blind deaf and dumb yourself.

Al-Ghaib does not mean "unseen" in arabic. The Muslim writers of today deceptively translate that word as "Unseen." However, the word does not mean "unseen" in Arabic. It means "absent" or "to withdraw ones presence from." Allah is not here described by the Qur'an as an invisible bieng, but as one who has made Himself absent until the Day of Judgment at which time He will make His presence known again. This is why the faithful have to wait until that Day before they could "see their Lord." If you weren't blind deaf and dumb you would easily and clearly see this.

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Do I spoke to you?

1-I said DDB quoting the word Diggy used in his sentence.
2-Ghaib means unseen and Gha-Eb means absent...I already spoke about tryin to explain arabic words, dont try! + you already copy/pasted this before I already read it.

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Originally Posted by Hellspawn

Do I spoke to you?

1-I said DDB quoting the word Diggy used in his sentence.
2-Ghaib means unseen and Gha-Eb means absent...I already spoke about tryin to explain arabic words, dont try! + you already copy/pasted this before I already read it.

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Errrrr wrong again.....stop trying dude, you're a blind follower....blind deaf and dumb. that's all you can say, you copy/pasted this....blah blah blah, well my copy and paste is still right, your shit is shit and that shit is the wrong shit to be messin' wit....

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Originally Posted by Black Man

Errrrr wrong again.....stop trying dude, you're a blind follower....blind deaf and dumb. that's all you can say, you copy/pasted this....blah blah blah, well my copy and paste is still right, your shit is shit and that shit is the wrong shit to be messin' wit....

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:nonono: :fucku:

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Originally Posted by Hellspawn

:nonono: :fucku:

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i hurt your feelings....awwwww....let's have a pity party.....:fucku: i can do it too....i didn't think "muslims" responded with such obsene jesters...

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Originally Posted by Black Man

i hurt your feelings....awwwww....let's have a pity party.....:fucku: i can do it too....i didn't think "muslims" responded with such obsene jesters...

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Then clearly, again you prove that you're not as familiar with Islam as you claim to be. The Qur'an not only tells us to fight against those who fight against us, but also, that foul language is permissable if it's justified. In this case, your never-ending pseudo-philosophical madness is the calling card for not just the bird, but an entire flock.

On that note.....:fucku:

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Originally Posted by Urban_Journalz

Then clearly, again you prove that you're not as familiar with Islam as you claim to be. The Qur'an not only tells us to fight against those who fight against us, but also, that foul language is permissable if it's justified. In this case, your never-ending pseudo-philosophical madness is the calling card for not just the bird, but an entire flock.

On that note.....:fucku:

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awwwwww....i hurt your feelings too? you need a pity party too. ok. awwwwwww....feel better now? oh yeah, :fucku:

Is Allah the Supreme Being BLACKMAN? :yes:

...you pseudo-religous bullshit that you call islam....come on now, you're a christian who refers to god as allah with no knowledge of allah!