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This is truly mind blowing. In last couple of days, no less than a handful of the most sought after samples have been revealed.
I played around with the commodores sample and it is without a doubt the correct one.
One reason it has taken so long to find 'Tai Chi' and 'The night earth cried' is because they are flipped the same way as 'Shook Ones' sample , i.e. one short piano piece repeated in a different pitch right after.
Soob, is there any chance that this DJ guy also sits on the MGM sample?
Yeah I'mma ask him and we'll see what he got ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by patriquino
lmao
BTW, this is not the correct version of this track, it should be this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by soob
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSN8BJtdl_I
^^ indeed. that polish soob wanted to pleasure cilvaringz cuz he is a groupie of him and couldnt do well hahahaha polish faggot fails again
Yeah you're right man!! I'mma report it to WhoSAmpledQuote:
Originally Posted by patriquino
I talked with the DJ and he told he didn't know the MGM sample
Are we sure about that Glaciers sample? I was playing around with it but couldn't make it work, has anyone else tried it?
I didn't try it, but it seems to be the good one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Punch
It's my claim, but i have made some reservations about its validity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Punch
I loaded it (approx 0:20) into my sampler and played it over the the glaziers track and managed to find the right key, sound and tempo, but there are some vocals on the part i tried, which shouldnt be there.
I have made a really quick demonstration below (link), and excuse the poor quality, i didnt have time to do it properly. its mainly for you to get an impression of what I mean.
http://picosong.com/CUME/
This leads us to a couple of different conclusions:
1. rza stitched together different parts of the track, thus getting rid of the vocals
2. it was sampled from different version of the same track, perhaps stereo or mono (which is often the case)
3. the vocals could somehow be filtered out using some filter i havent got access to
4. its not this sample.
Hard to say man -- you may be right saying that the sample is incorrect. RZA could use a spiecal filter for that as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by patriquino
Thanks for this, to be honest, though,it makes me think this is the wrong sample.Quote:
Originally Posted by patriquino
Still not sure on that Tai Chi piano. Its definitely the melody but it's either another version or 4th did a master chop up.
At first I really thought you hit the jackpot, but it's probably another sample. When you listen to "Glaciers of Ice" the sample cut RZA used seems a bit longer than the loop you hear through the entire song, there're moments when he changed it and let it play a bit longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by patriquino
Listen to the instrumental at: 0:19-0:38, 0:56, 1:15, 1:44, 2:41, 3:03, 3:50 and 4:35.
And some of the time the loop change it sounds differently than the other.
I've always wanted this song - it's the sample used in "One Life to Live" by Shyheim from the score to the movie, "The Newton Boys"
Cilva, still not convinced?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
http://picosong.com/CdHY/
You did it man :) I wasn't 100% sure either, but now I am :)Quote:
Originally Posted by patriquino
You gotta give it up to the finder. If you're able to identify this sample from only hearing the song, which most of us probably have heard 100 times on the radio, than you have a blessed ear.Quote:
Originally Posted by soob
Since Im interested in trivia, I always try to understand why producers decide to combine certain songs, as in this case Thelma Houston's 'Don't Leave Me This Way' and the Commodores 'Three Times A Lady'. Since I myself have been playing around with samples, making beats, I know that its not uncommon that the reason why I have chosen to combine certain samples is simply that they appear together somewhere.
Applying that assumption, I went looking for compilations where these two songs appear together, and just as I expected they both appear on this one.
http://www.discogs.com/Various-25-1-...elease/3406822
Even though this doesn't add a lot of knowledge to this specific track, it perhaps tells us something about the process of making this epic beat.
Another example, also involving 4th, is the Wu-Renegade track, which combines the piano from Christian Sinding's 'Rustle of Spring' and the string from Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov 'The Sea and Sinbad's Ship', which both appear on this compilation, right after each other.
http://www.allmusic.com/album/great-...s-mw0001847770
This method of finding samples should be applicable in other cases as well, especially when we're dealing with samples taken from previous billboard hits.
I think those samples are very easy to recognize. The piano sounds quite familiar for me even tho I've never heard the song before.Quote:
Originally Posted by patriquino
You're god damn right with the method of finding samples on compilations. I noticed it by myself that I sample songs which appear on compilation albums I bought.
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Originally Posted by soob
Of course you find it easy to recognize it now that you know, but you weren't even sure before I convinced you. Finding this far from obvious sample requires nothing short of a good ear, which is evident from the 15 years it took to identify something that appears in the beginning of a famous commodores track.Quote:
Originally Posted by soob
The reason why you probably never heard the song before is because you're 20 and live in a Polish village.
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Originally Posted by patriquino
Awesome, thank you. So what other holy grails we got left?
Raekwon - Knowledge God (violin/strings)
Killah Priest - Street Opera (the string parts)
Killah Priest - Devil In Descize (beginning sample, the piano sample and flute sample)
Killah priest - Wisdom (piano sample)
Ghostface - Wildflower (string sample)
Wu - The MGM
Sunz Of Man - Wicked Wayz
???
Killah Priest "Street Opera" was found by me a few years ago. I even added it to WhoSampled. The Wisdom sample was found too.
Killah Priest - Street Opera (at 0:13)
Willie Hutch - Mother's Theme (Mama) (at 2:01)
Killah Priest - Wisdom (at 0:02)
The Carpenters - Someday (at 0:00)
Yes you're right I didn't hear it before because people don't listen to music like this in my country. I love soul, funk etc, but I just didnt know the song :)Quote:
Originally Posted by patriquino
Its seems that we both have a desire to create lists so if you ask me:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
Rae - Glaciers of Ice (still not convinced by my own claim above)
- Rainy Days
- Knowledge God (not only string)
Meth - Shaolin What?
12 o'clock - Nasty immigrants
Sunz of Man - 5 Arch angel (guitar)
Rza - Tragedy (still not convinced that it is Roger Webb)
Wu - the M.G.M
The list is becoming shorter which is a positive thing.
Rainy Dayz is an instrument sample that was then played by Blue Raspberry.. so the strings you hear were just a one note string sample that was then played into what became the Rainy Dayz melody. The weird string sound that occurs every now and then could be from The Exorcist movie, the part when the mother lifts the shirt off the possessed child and sees HELP ME in her stomach.
The Glaciers is wrong, RZA didnt go through the hassle of filtering out vocals back then, he either left them in or got another sample..
Good digging friends
I talked to this DJ and he told me the Wildflower sample that I'm not sure
Ghostface Killah - Wildflower (at 0:26)
Johnny Mathis - Someone (at 0:05)
I'm not 100% sure about that, but it's correct for 99% cus just listen to GFK song at 2:51 and the Johnny Mathis' song at 0:06
Another Holy Grail sample for me is "On the Strenght" by Beggaz
I agree, I think if we have to struggle to make a sample work it's usually not the right one, like Occam's Razor for digging(Occam's RZA? Sorry I had to).Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
I think that's it.Quote:
Originally Posted by soob
Thanks Soob!
I'm just giving what he gave me. I'mma post everything releated with Wu samples over here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
Could you tell us the sample you used in "The Saga"?
What about 2 Cups Of Blood?
The Saga had some David Porter in it I think, all one song. Plus the guitar is a sample from The Doors. Riders Of The Storm I think.
Yall found Blazing Saddles yet?
Larry Willis - Inner CrisisQuote:
Originally Posted by Punch
Wow - thanks man -- I'mma start lookin' for the correct sample when I get home. Don't you remember which track you sampled - it'd be very helpfulQuote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
Nah.. still remains unknownQuote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
Nice, thanks dude!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
gravel pit
http://www.whosampled.com/sample/207...gor%27s-Theme/
i'm breathing for you (original version)
http://www.whosampled.com/sample/231...known-Love%29/
Syl Johnson - The Love You Left Behind?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
I had never noticed! Great find.Quote:
Originally Posted by soob
Damn! Great findQuote:
Originally Posted by Blagovest