"Ask My First Timbs" Q&A thread

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Originally Posted by MoT

a question for Timbs:

in a document about evolution they said that humans used same tools (weapons, bowls for water, clothing etc.) and basically lived the same way of life for a very long period of time and that at a certain time in the past (not sure but +/- 50 000 years ago) that changed very fast and people started to "evolve faster" as in their way of life changed "drastically"... so how do you see this happening ? (of course if it did happen) and/or What could have caused this?

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peace

there are several reasons for this.. This is formally known as the homo sapien cultural explosion and can be explained very easily. In a nutshell:

prior to the harnessing of certain aspects of reality, humans lived a relatively short life span. This is very important because with a short life span come certain things and with a longer life span come other things!

prior to the harnessing of fire and to the birth of agriculture, man had relatively short life spans (if u made it to about 25 years, u were lucky and an "elder")

Once fire and agriculture "jumped off", humans now lived alot longer. With longer life spans comes population growth. with larger populations and longer life spans, comes a focus shift! meaning a shift from a primary focus being on pure survival, to a more cultural social aspect. EVEN more importantly, with larger populations and longer life spans comes the ability to successfully gain more real world spacial and technical know how about the world u live in and objects that it contains!

Even more importantly, with a longer life span, comes the abiliy to properly pass on cultural knowledge to the next generation before you die!

Its alot more complicated than this, (and there are indeed other factors) but u get the idea.... human evolution (technological expansion and cultural evolution) are highly indebted to the birth of agriculture and the harnessing of fire)...

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Originally Posted by whitey

clearly im not timbs but possibly if i remember correctly from some course heres some knowledge. this happend less than 50,000 years ago but explains some of what your talking about, the discovery of agriculture. which allowed him to settle and have a reliable source of food, and let him concentrate on other things. when man was a nomade and just wandering being a hunter gather, one he could not travel in very large groups because its hard to feed all of the people and two he had to primarily use most of his energy on finding his next meal.

when people settled down and started growing crops they could support larger bands of people, and the human mind started to thrive. he had more free time to do all sorts of things.


not sure if its the answer your looking for, but its part of it.

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peace whitey! i didnt mean to steal ur thunder ! i didnt scroll down to see that u had already satisfactorily (and most accurately) answered the query! :thumbup:

What is your shoe size for timbs?

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Originally Posted by sweet sista

It’s not your intelligence that lead you to become non-believer. it’s the ignorance of something, the depression, arrogance, and other things but of course it’s not the intelligence!

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thats a very bold baseless uninformed statement! (but very common in religionist beliefs)

I am not a non believer because I am ignorant of the believer or concept of one.. if anything, i am at a supreme advantage of making a rational decision having objectively formally studied almost every religion on the planet from the oldest formal religion to the newest new age philosophy u prolly havent heard of yet.

as for depression. thats another long standing misconception of the atheist. For some strange reason, religionists (the fanatical ones) would love for it to be the case that a person becomes a non believer because they are depressed or lacking something in life.. this honestly just simply isnt the case at all. I am one of the most happy, optimistic and easy going people you would ever meet. there is not a depressed nerve in my body (and if there was, i would know that rationally it is merely a lack of serotonin levels), so it would not be cause for concern. (let alone a reason to "not believe".... )

as for arrogance.. again.. this claim is baseless. Do not confuse arrogance with confidence based on a secure knowledge and critical thinking ability. And even more importantly, the rational atheist is the furthest thing from "arrogant".. this is so because we readily admit that we dont know everything. (in actuality there is so much that is unknown, hence the reason why most atheists have an affinity to science in pursuit of natural curiosity!!)) and even further, we know and understand that every rational claim has the potential to be completely false! how is this arrogant? its the exact opposite of the philosophy of religion and what arrogance means!

the philosophy of religion is a pure example of the height of man's arrogance! (a belief that we were made in the image of a divine creator is about the most arrogant and chauvanistic thing ive ever heard).. and like i said.. my argument and everythging i believe could be totally false... all it would take to do this is provide evidence showing its false (evidence of a supernatural realm, evidence that all creatures do not have common ancestry etc..) if u want to combat atheism and thos who dont beleive, thats all u would have to do!.. however in contrast u state on several occaisions that u KNOW you are right and u get frustrated when u are trying to HELP people see the RIGHT way.... lmao at the arrogance and irrationality!.. i ask u... what would it take to potentially falsify your claim and beliefs? (any rational logical claim has the ability to be falsified).. what would it take for yours??

in addition, about depression i want it to be known that every other atheist or non believer i have ever met was not depressed or angry at the concept of a god!

in actuality we (atheists) welcome it! (if it exists).. in addition i have no reason to be angry... i had a great childhood, great parents, great upbringing etc.. so why would i alll of a sudden be an ignorant, arrogant, depressed atheist?

u do the math

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Originally Posted by num2son

What is your shoe size for timbs?

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12 for constructs

11.5 for beef and brocs and chick and brocs

Do you believe in the power of collective consciousness?

Assuming that God is real and that He has an interest in testing faith. What would be the point in testing this faith if God's existence could be definetly proven?

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Originally Posted by Eric Unseen

Do you believe in the power of collective consciousness?

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yes but from a biological/evolutionary standpoint

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Assuming that God is real and that He has an interest in testing faith. What would be the point in testing this faith if God's existence could be definetly proven?

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You answered my other question, I was wonderin' if you happen to see this one?

wats good timz

Could u please summerise the threory of evolution. I dont knw if u remeber a thread made in KTL a lil while back called, your religon or your beliefs where ppl posted their religon/ beliefs. what did u post or what would u post???

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Originally Posted by My First Timbs

yes but from a biological/evolutionary standpoint

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peace Tims
can u please expound on this.

ill post my views / more Q's
when u respond

peace sir

I'll throw one out there for you Timbs.

From an evolutionary standpoint, what do you think the relationship is between advancing technology and natural survival characteristics are? There is evidence that due to technological advances in science, medicine, etc that people live longer and are bigger and stronger than previous generations. If you look at Medieval knights, who were the big warriors of their day, they didn't even measure up to 6 feet. Athletes are bigger and stronger than from a generation ago. So on the surface it may look like these advances are strengthening the species.

However if you look at it from another angle, it seems humans have grown too dependent relying on outside sources. Medicines are tremendously overused and people really keep their immune systems weak when they don't let it naturally fight off sickness. Technology has become such that people do not need or want to do as much physical activity as they used to(manual labor or just being active outside) and sit stagnated inside watching hours of images on TVs or computers. We are insulated and not exposed to most of the hardships of nature. People do not use nearly as much mental capacity as they used to. A good memory and quick cognitive abilities used to be the difference between life or death. Now people rely heavily on calculators to do simple math and are too lazy to even remember phone #'s anymore bc of speedial. This seems to be leading to the dulling of a lot of intellects.

So although it seems that on the surface extreme advances in technology would make a species stronger, is this just surperficial and actually harmful to human beings' natural survival abilities? Are we cutting ourselves off from nature and is this relying on technology rather than our minds and bodies making the species actually naturally weaker?

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Originally Posted by My First Timbs

I wasnt saying that your agument is insulting me. I was saying that your argument and reasoning that Allah (or whatever deity is popluar at that current time in history) will "take something away" from someone (ie their senses) is insulting to the recognized history of theology and the concept of God.

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1) i was talkin' in general.
2) what makes the concept of GOD insulting?

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Originally Posted by My First Timbs

i know that u really think that and want to believe that, but sadly its not the case. Most who are disabled in some form do not earn an extra sense or a heightened sense to compensate for their loss. and as for this "compensation" taking other forms (ie family support, spirituality etc etc) thats a cop out because every normal being has those things already in some shape or form.

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huh, what's up with you people focusing on the words i say instead of the meaning?!!

why don't you try to be objective yourself and look at the bright side instead always giving all your attention to every ugly dark side??

when people lose their faith, they lose hope, when they lose hope they kill themselves. why can't you see that?!

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Originally Posted by My First Timbs

here is where the religionist refues to acknowledge the obvious contradiction. This is formally known as the argument of fate/destiny vs freewill. It is impossible to have free will in a reality that is governed by an omnipotent and omniscient god who already has everyone's lives "pre plotted" out on his mighty chalkboard. Thus by religious logic (and the recognized history of theology), I, myself am nothing but a manifestation of God's divine plan. Are u arguing that it was not in Gods plan for me to be an Athiest? Are u arguing that i somehow deviated from the plan or are u even further arguing that there is no "plan"? Being a believer of a God, you are obligated to pick a stance and ride it out! You cant play both sids of the fence by believing that there is a plan and an all knowing god but at the same time come to an irrational conclusion that we have free will.

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Plan? meaning "his will".

about you becoming an athiest,
His will above everything, at the same time he gave and still gives you several options and the choices you choose are all up to you.

i'll give ya example to my understanding of how his will works.
let's say Jamal is going to die next year. Allah decided that he's going to die after few days. after few days the brutha died in a car accident. nothing has to do with his disease or maybe he had a heart attack another thing that ain't related to his disease. Allah made this time is his time and so no matter how is the way he dies, the timing is the same as Allah decided it.

some people think of killing themselves, they think by doing that they are beating Allah's will and make their time come earlier. when the fact is when they die. It was Allah's will to let their attempt to kill themselves successed. and similarly when they fail killing themselves. Allah hasn't put that date as their time to die so they won't die for a reason or another "example, someone came in while they were trying to suicide or they freaked out, or etc."

let's get back to you,
being athiest was your free choice. Allah's plan was to give you the options and you pick what you want. that shows his mercy and his just. He didn't force you to worship him, praise him and thank him. He gave you the free will to choose anything you want. but sadly, for a reason or another you were duped to think that there is no God. AND to think that with all the knowledge you have, there is no way that there is a god and you don't see him before you.

when parents decide to put their kid in a school that he wants. Does that weaken their will over him? No, they just let him be where he wanted to be.

when you have two cars, Mercedes and jaguar and you decide to drive the Mercedes. Does that mean you didn't have the will to choose the other car? NO

it's just as simple as that. that's how God's will works! and even better...

i hope you can see the connection between Allah's will, you being atheist and this.

Here Comes The Boss!

when u loose faith u dont loose hope
just coz u think u will loose hope if u loose faith
doesnt mean that is how the world works

i think sister should study some quantum mechanics / physics

and see what the nature of reality really is.


open your mind hun,

peace