Ghost Fell Off & Became Boring

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Are you tired of this bullshit yet? I'm not. mwahahahahahahahahah

show and prove. otherwise your entire argument is baseless.

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Yes I am tired of this shit and have been for some time now. If you're gonna be a smart arse and disrespect me then I'm not prepared to waste any more time on this.

There is nothing for me to "show and prove". This thread started out with me expressing my opinion that Ghost has lost appeal and dropped in form. I wanted to see if anybody here felt the same as me, and I have now seen that a lot of people do.

I also mentioned that a lot of Ghost's lyrics over the last few years are in the same light as other commercial artists, and you now want me to post examples to back this up. I have told you that I do not wish to take the time to do this, and if you think this invalidates my argument then you have every right to feel such a way. I really don't care, and I'm not gonna bother wasting any more time to try and change your opinion.

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/sho...&postcount=319

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Originally Posted by ERIC_CARTMAN

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Haha, what the fuck is this?

And how come you know how many "platinum threads" I have when I would have no fucking idea myself how many I have? What's a "platinum thread" anyway? I'm guessing it's 10+ pages?

Oh, believe me you had no chance of changing my opinion. I'm just trying to bring a contrasting opinion to yet another blast ghost thread, but since you are clearly annoyed with my presence I'll leave you in peace. I would just like to say in conclusion that change is good. Diversity is good. Reaching new people is good. And experimentation with different sounds and styles is definately good. Ghost does all this, and I'm just pleased as punch. Ghost has nothing to prove to me. If he retired tomorrow he would still go down in history as one of the best artists (not just hip hop) that has ever lived. But he still continues to amaze me with his range and talent. If you don't believe anything I've said believe this. Most of the most beloved artists on the planet are as loved as they are hated. Ghost is no exception. peace.

ps Do me a favor, close your mind and give fishscale one more try. please. thats all i'm asking. Many many critics named it the top hip-hop album of the year and Rolling Stone magazine had it ranked 4th out of all music in 2006. Now for that to happen many of the smartest musical minds had to vote that way. Is that not validation?

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Originally Posted by noel411

Haha, what the fuck is this?

And how come you know how many "platinum threads" I have when I would have no fucking idea myself how many I have? What's a "platinum thread" anyway? I'm guessing it's 10+ pages?

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Do me a favor, close your mind and give fishscale one more try. please. thats all i'm asking

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I've tried this before and have regretted it every time. But yeah, I too feel I owe it to myself to give both 'Fishscale' and 'More Fish' another listen after doing this thread, so I will.

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Originally Posted by beautifulrock

So what is the consensus? Not the opinion of this thread, I don't believe. Fishscale is almost gold now. So get 500,000 people to say he's wack on this thread and I will cosign on the dotted line. Until then....GHOST IS THE SHIT. So take a big whiff.

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well the consensus of this thread is half and half. as i stated before, ghosts listeners are split between love it and hate it without much in between.

where did you get that ghostface is almost gold from? what album, fishscale? that album fell off the hitsdailydouble charts at around 220K. thats not almost gold. its possible that he made up the difference by now but i dont see anywhere that says he's there or almost there.

please dont start using using sales numbers to justify people liking an artist. tical 0 actually DID go gold in a time where wu was putting out wood album after wood album and its hailed by many as his worst album. sales numbers determine who's hot, who people are checking for, but it doesnt mean that every single person who buys an album likes what they purchased. thats evident by this thread.

which is why there is no such thing as an instant classic. only instant hype.

This thread has convince me that Ghost has the biggest dickriders.

beautiful rock, you're basing your opinions on critics and now on albumsales.

Noel, You are a player hating cum guzzling faggot. ANd I don't mean to insult faggots comparing them to you.

I will agree with some things. Ghosts rhymes have gotten lazier and more simple. But let's all face something too, sometimes he's always rhymed complete and utter nonsense....sounds good, but Holocaust gets hated on for the same poop.

He does tend to ruin songs a little going for stupid rhymes that don't really fit. He completely ruins Projects on Forever with his stupid sex rhymes, and his need for singing has to go. The last thing is he uses old recycled beats alot, and the rhyming over complete songs would be panned by fans if it were someone else. BTW no one seems to notice, But Shakey Dog is really just the beat from Pit Bull Fights off of Lex Diamond.

However a lot of the times he's entertaining and great at storytelling. Also when he wants to, he flow and subject matter are fantastic. I think he just got caught in the frustration Meth mentioned awhhile ago, when rappers write decent shit, but no one cares and just goes for the shitty stuff.

As Far as Fishcale and More Fish,They are both decent albums. They are not classic or great by any means, but solid albums with soe good creative points. I would never say Fishscale isnt a good album, but it's one that I really don't listen to at all. I do love Kilo, the Champ, With a Strap, and Underwater. He needs to stop recycling old Doom beats though. And 9 Mili was quite dissapointing. One other thing about Ghost is his ability to make good mainstream tracks. I think Be Easy and Back like that are good, although not tough enough for most rugged internet hip hop fans.

How did ghost fall of? if all his album post sc arent even average then you cant possibly think that ANY clan memeber album(besides ghost) after wu forever even reached garbage status. You say that his lyrics are more or less just like other "mainstream" rappers. Which rappers? give me examples homie. Or do you believe that just by saying its enough? Nope. Ghost isint what he use to be....but what do you expect? It's unrealistic and unfair to expect an ironman/sc level of consistancy. Besides since when has ghostfaces' lyrics been his strenght? He's always been dope lyrically but I always though his strenghts were/are his flow, and delivery. Those two things are the REASON supreme clientele is so dope. If anything ghost reverted back to his earlier day's....the only difference is he can't do some things like he use to. Song's like "beauty jackson" "whip you with a strap" "underwater" "shakey dog" "kilo" prove why ghost is still a dope mc.

IMO you are wrong. Do you see how easy it is to say that? and its even easier to say it when I believe I dont't have to make the effort to back up my "opinion".

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Originally Posted by Jeru

beautiful rock, you're basing your opinions on critics and now on albumsales.

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What am I supposed to base it on, you assholes?

Actually I use that stuff to back my opinion, which is formed from actually listening to those albums 100's of times but thanks for assuming I just picked up rolling stone one day and declared FS the best album ever without listening to it.

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Originally Posted by beautifulrock

What am I supposed to base it on, you assholes?

Actually I use that stuff to back my opinion, which is formed from actually listening to those albums 100's of times but thanks for assuming I just picked up rolling stone one day and declared FS the best album ever without listening to it.

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I was stating the facts, all you did in here was say critics say this so he's a good rapper.Record sales say this so he's a good rapper.I also base my opinions like you said by listening to him.There's no point in trying to convert people who think otherwise.Deal with it.assholes LOL

^hahaha @ Jeru

Hiphop went through a mainstream acceptance change in the last 10 years. There's alot more to stating facts from critics. Fishscale maybe in alot of top tens of hiphop. That just doesn't mean it is a good album. It's popular amongst those peoples. And maybe the rest just wasn't that good or even more terrible.

It's all in context and perspective.


Oyeah, I say GZA went way down. The man can barely hold a conceert any more, let alone rap his own tracks without gasping for breath. Age got teh better of him for some years now. HE made a fool of himself when he was in Amsterdam with the Clan rapping with one hand inside his pants.

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Originally Posted by B O T

well the consensus of this thread is half and half. as i stated before, ghosts listeners are split between love it and hate it without much in between.

where did you get that ghostface is almost gold from? what album, fishscale? that album fell off the hitsdailydouble charts at around 220K. thats not almost gold. its possible that he made up the difference by now but i dont see anywhere that says he's there or almost there.

please dont start using using sales numbers to justify people liking an artist. tical 0 actually DID go gold in a time where wu was putting out wood album after wood album and its hailed by many as his worst album. sales numbers determine who's hot, who people are checking for, but it doesnt mean that every single person who buys an album likes what they purchased. thats evident by this thread.

which is why there is no such thing as an instant classic. only instant hype.

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http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/sho...highlight=484k

not a soundscan member so I can't be completely sure but he did drop 110,000 the 1st week. So youre tellin me he only doubled that # in a year? I doubt it.