so how many punches should it take before budden sticks up for himeslf? like i dont understand the science behind your whole argument. 6 dudes storm in, you think oh shit am i gonna get beat then one dude punches you in the face and you still thin oh shit i'm done. wouldnt you either think after the first act of violence toward you that a beat down was following immediately after? it just boils down to you and me being completely different. and who said anything about a knife to the stomach? did budden have a knife to his stomach? lets stay on topic