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"Whoever thought young shaun carter would change the game, used to rap to the rain drops off my window pain, duckin the plain cops pushin endo and cane, at the kitchen table latenight, no pen just my brain"
The Clipse not only CC those old jay lines daily, they copy the flow verbatim from that part.
You niggas need to relaise so many rappers you adore studied this man, and are still doing styles he left a decade ago.
now that you point it out they do use that flow alot
I'm not trying to diss you here, but how can you say that, son?Quote:
Originally Posted by ikke
If an interviewer asks Kane, Raekwon, KRS, Rakim, Kool G, Big L, Ghostface, Nas, Masta Ace, Snoop, Black Thought, Eminem, Andre 3000, and Biggie who their favourite rappers are and they say Jay-Z, is that irrelevant? No fucking way is it irrelevant. If the greatest rappers of all time also recognise him as the greatest, then how can it possibly be irrelevant? All it does is shit over the opinions of people like you who say he isn't all that.
Fair enough if you just can't get into his music, I guess I can come to understand that, although I'm not sure how any hip hop fan wouldn't be able to. But don't say he's wack, that will just prove you're a shallow hip hop fan with no knowledge whatsoever. 14 years and still dropping heat. Saying Jay-Z isn't one of the greatest is like saying Ali wasn't shit to boxing, Jordan wasn't shit to basketball, the list goes on. Just listen to the music.
Oh, and he's one of the only rappers to hold down a full, classic album all by himself with no guests. How many of your favourite rappers can do that?
(P.S. I like the way people's only responses are "he ain't a good lyricist" or "Em murdered him!!!!)
That's not what I meant at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy
Like I tried to explain, it's the context that makes it relevant or irrelevant.
Did the rapper or the interviewer bring Jay-z up?
If the interviewer asks about Jay-z it doesn't mean shit to me.
Like I said, around the time "Teflon Don" dropped I would've answered Rick Ross was one of my favourite rappers at the moment, it doesn't mean I think he is one of the greatest, just that he is somebody I am currently listening to frequently.
Yet when somebody asks me about my favourite rappers right now Rick Ross wouldn't come to mind that quickly.
The argument isn't that people think Jay-Z is wack but that he's terribly over rated.
Jay is one of the best to ever do it. The man is a sick rapper. I don't see how anyone can deny that. Plus he is still a relevant topic when it comes to radio, lyrical shit, business shit and best mc of all time conversations. One thing I love about Jay Z is that he still keeps soulfull hip hop on the radio. Fight me!
Seriously there are more then 50 rappers who are seen as "one of the greatest", jay probably can't compete with most on there.
word, i love that whole verse. "Volume III" had some crazy shit on there, i got the European/original version with all "Hova Interludes" on it and "Is That Yo Bitch" and "Anything" still on there. Jigga is one of the best wordsmiths that's very, very hard to debate and he got a great skill for picking ill beats and put out albums that satisfy both hardcore hip-hop fans and mainstream MTV listeners at the same time. "Reasonable Doubt" is on a totally different level as far as the lyricism goes tho, he's been lyrically dope all his career but he never flexed like THAT again. "D'Evils" is one of the illest tracks hip-hop ever saw.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE FRANCHISE™
i don't like the shit he stands for tho and these days i can hardly listen to him at all anymore.
The Black Album???Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy
Yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by benzo
I don't give a fuck about what fans of a certain artist have to say about my dislike of that person...
I'm never gonna be a Jay-Z fan, but I'm not gonna go out of my way to insult his fanbase.
People like what they like, but that doesn't mean I have to join the constituancy.
I thought that's what you meant....
Why in the last ten years? It's not like Jay-Z got his start in the last ten years.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE FRANCHISE™
It's just about weed. It's called an extended metaphor, you non-book-reading chump.Quote:
Originally Posted by wera
Because that's around the time Jay became a relevant, household name.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wasted Space
That other guy got shouted down because he said eminem because a household name around that time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Southern Solja
When it all comes down to it. Nas > Jay-Z. I don't see the hype around Jay, everyone praises him for being a lyrical genious, but i never really heard any line of his which is good.