She should leave Russia for obvious reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hal Incandenza
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She should leave Russia for obvious reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hal Incandenza
A lot of Russians are leaving and already applying for citizenship in Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan or Armenia.Quote:
Originally Posted by IrOnMaN
On the ground it seems quite clear that the Russian plan is to block Ukraine from the Black sea. I think the Russians will take Odessa, force negotiations and cripple Ukraine forever cause they won't give back what they've taken.
Won't be long until they're part of Russia againQuote:
Originally Posted by HANZO
Ironman you are a flaming faggotron for moving my thread
Never mind that. Why didn't the Turks help the Bosnians when they were being massacred by Serbs in the '90s? The Ottoman Empire really dropped the ball in the Balkans. My Albanian Catholic friend thinks you guys are the devil, but I'm guessing he's just bitter about the Ottomans screwing over his family. Those Balkans sure know how to hold a grudge. And why did you guys elect a fascist in Turkey? I need answers, Turk!Quote:
Originally Posted by HANZO
Thank God. No one cars outside of poofters and camel riders.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hound
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Says poofters
Your thread was about sports so I moved it to the Sports Sub-forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hound
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Originally Posted by Chief Beef
@GoldenChild : Serbs, Croatians, people living in Bosnia etc etc do hold grudges, can confirm from family ties & trips. but what do you expect when relatives get killed? the wounds don't heal. I will say there's a stubborn mentality too but who am I to judge.
Any of you people gonna let some Ukrainians stay at your house? Its millions coming thru Europe now.
If I can choose who stays I would do it
I think Turkey did threaten military action against Serbia back then but the US threatened Turkey if it pulled off such a thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldenchild
The Ottomans just like any other imperialistic empire left a sour taste in the lands it ruled, for a good chunk of time they managed it well. I mean most Serb Lords sided with the Ottomans against the Catholics, Serbs rose to basically run the empire. I mean how Turkish is the empire when the ruling elite were all muslim converts & not ethnically Turkish? I think like one Sultan had a Turkish mother, the rest were all foreign. The main blame towards the Ottomans is that as the world progressed in the 18th and 19th century the Ottomans were still stuck in the 15th. They ran the empire to the ground and along with it everyone who lived there. So the Balkans mainly blame the Ottomans for holding them back while Western Europe progressed. Though that Ottoman culture from the late era of the empire still lives on strong in the Balkans because all the nations are petty, corrupt & poor, so not much has changed.
Places like Bosnia and Serbia are more Ottoman culturally than Turkey is for example. Ottoman customs are more part of their daily lives than it is in Turkey where it was flushed out. Like in Turkey coffee consumption isn't that high, coffee was like the main thing of the Ottomans, where it is high is in the Balkans.
As for electing a fascist. Erdogan came into power with a liberal agenda, he brought more democracy to Turkey than anyone else. His party even championed gay rights back in the day, he gave Kurds more rights than anyone else opening schools, TV stations and everything they wanted. Then what happened? The bulk of the population began demanding more freedoms, the youth are very European orientated more so than most Eastern European countries. They wanted more democracy and freedoms and Erdogan didn't want to give. So after 2010 things changed drastically and he turned Turkey into a China like party state. They own everything, they run everything, the top brass of his party have all become billionaires. If you want a job? you became a party member. They have party members who are board members on 10 different state companies, receiving a hefty wage from each role.
Problem is Erdogan's core vote is still 40% and Turkish elections are free and fair, there's no funny business during the count. Conservatives and islamists, Turkey's uneducated (which there is a lot of) admire him, so much so some even call him a prophet. He wins elections simple as. I wouldn't call him a fascist but a full blown autocrat who used the tools provided to him by democracy to undermine it. Erdogan gained power by using the media which is owned by businessmen aligned to him, referendums and elections. Erdogan gets 51% of the vote and that's enough for him to run the country as he see's fit. In the past 19 years he has destroyed every institution and filled them up with lackeys. So there is no one to oppose him, even the once great military has been succumbed to his will.
The elections next year will be massive as Erdogan with his daft economic theory has destroyed the economy. It's complete trash now with inflation above 40%, the currency is trash and all this is directly because of Erdogan who thinks he is an economic wizard. This actually makes it an easy win for the opposition in Turkey to defeat Erdogan in an election but the opposition itself is fractures. It's made up of 6 political parties + the main Kurdish party. So you have right wingers, social democrats, islamists, liberal islamists and Kurds in the same political block. They would win easily actually if they just vote together but now till the election Erdogan will do all in his power to split them up. The opposition is only united in their hatred for Erdogan and Syrian refugees and that's what will be Erdogan's downfall. Not the trash economy, not his authoritarianism but it will be Turkeys huge refugee problem as even Erdogan worshippers don't want the 5million Syrians and Afghans in the country.
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Major shout out to the Russia supporters in this thread lol this has been an extraordinary failure and now countries who were planning to remain neutral and out of the EU & NATO are pushing for inclusion and western countries are pushing through plans to lean away from gas & oil while increasing their military strength
Putin has managed to get then West to stop being pussies, China must be upset
You’re a faggot btw a giant faggotQuote:
Originally Posted by IrOnMaN
The U.S. should have stayed neutral. No sanctions on Russia no supplying weapons and funds to the Ukraine. Government can't help themselves to get involved in war. I'm sure it's making some elite richer by the second, While the working class can't afford a tank of gas. Funny how both parties can actually agree since forever on one issue, it couldn't be their campaign funds are being upped by military contracts
^ The other side to that is if Russia or China became more powerful it certainly wouldn't help the US economy either. Plus the US is relatively liberal and see themselves as global ambassadors for democracy. I don't think its possible for the US gov to say or do nothing in this situation without making the world and themselves a lot less politically stable.
8th anniversary of the 'liberation' of Crimea. Putler's throwing a party in Moscow. OAPs & students are driven into the capital by the busload TO MAKE IT CLAP
The Russians claim to have fired hypersonic missile/rocket. that would be the first documented (?) use of this type of weapon in a war
Do you think Russia is hold back? Russia has stockpiles of nuclear weapons, advanced aircraft, etc. It appears if Russia wanted to unleash hell, they could.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hal Incandenza
Russia is sticking to traditional warfare so far, even if they are using these new missiles. Who knows what will happen next. They could definitely take it a step further but I don't think they want to give NATO an excuse for a counter attack. I don't dare make any predictions.
Germany and Qatar just closed a long term natural resources energy deal. First step away from Putler's gas & oil. The package also includes renewable energy but we'll see if that's more than just greenwashing the deal. In any case renewable energy is needed to comply w/ the EU Green Deal
I've been following the development of hypersonic rockets for a while and Russia definitely has them and has tested them. If Russia is currently using them then odds are Ukraine is getting missile defense assistance from the US on da low (US isn't going to blatantly say what they're doing). Russia of course has them and if they're using them it's a sign that they're trying to dodge a very advanced missile defense system or flex but that later option is very stupid if that's the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hal Incandenza
3 million refugees have left so far.
I think they are but only because they went in with the intention of conquering. If they went in to bring US style democracy they would've floored Ukrainian infrastructure. As the Russian's intend to stay the more damage they do means the more they'd have to pay to rebuild it all. Russia is taking heavy losses though but when you have complete control of the media the people in Russia won't question the war for the time being.Quote:
Originally Posted by IrOnMaN
Ukraine has the S-300 missile defense system which is ok but it's obviously Russian so one would expect the Russians would know how to dodge them. I think one European nation handed over there S-300 batteries as well while Greece for example refused to give there's. The US has apparently asked Turkey to give Ukraine the much more sophisticated S-400's but that is never going to happen and would be an incredibly stupid move. The main aim of the US is to give Ukraine non-NATO heavy weapons so Russia doesn't retaliate.Quote:
Originally Posted by TSA
Ok. Thank you for the information. I know that Russia is the world's leader in teams of nuclear weapons and God knows what else. Crazy to know because countries are treading lightly and trying not to get involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by HANZO
I don't think the Russians will seriously engage in the current peace talks until they capture Mariupol and possibly Charkov as well
I didn't know that North Korea has nukes. Pretty pointless for them to have nukes though.
Supposed to be a deterrent I guess.
They’ve been using nuclear threats as a way to get food from the west for years now plus they aim missiles at Seoul right now but I don’t think they’re going to use the nuclear ones but they’ll still floor Seoul if anything pops off between them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShaDynasty
I sort of get it but its goofy. They have no friends internationally. I think if they tried anything it would be suicidal.
They should just play nice lol.
Nobody really takes them seriously but the pointing of missiles towards Seoul is like the “better be on guard” from the west, that’s why they usually get their food and aid requests plus they have to show out towards the west for their own people but North Korea won’t do anything because even though they would kill thousands possibly millions in Seoul within a day they themselves would get wiped off the map in return.
The other thing with giving aid and food to North Korea is that South Korea could not handle a refugee crisis from the North and that’s where they’d all be going so you can’t starve them out either. If they were located almost anywhere else in the world they’d be another Zimbabwe.
Nukes keep the fat bastard in charge. Foreign forces aren't gonna meddle in North Korea
Some things I'll never understand. Human nature is mystifying.
That family has kept the country flat broke for 70 years, and I know they don't have as powerful propaganda machines as Russia and China do. I guess its just fear.
In the last century, it is said that a lot of their money came from giving training or having training camps for Hezbollah, IRA & I believe Libya. They were well connected with all those sort of groups. I believe they still have those connections, but that's not really friends. Even China is sort of supporting them, but not really saying they are best buddies. Some countries are on a more neutral ground with them, and use their people as a cheap workforce. I believe some of them are working in Polish harbours. All for the glory and benefit of their great leader. I wonder if he is still living a lavishly as his dad or granddad.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShaDynasty
The other thing is, they got the stuff. But the rockets flunk out a lot. It is not the most trustworthy tech they have. So doing anything would sort of be ridiculous, and the retaliation would be insane. And I think they know that, but their people probably don't. Which brings me to the people. Compared to South Korea, their education level is completely different. As is their way of speaking. Already North Koreans find it difficult to adjust to life in South Korea, and are some times bullied. I don't think South Korea is also ready to take up the couple of million North Koreans to integrate into their society. Which would be a more extreme version of the reunification of East & West Germany, which 30 years on still has its differences.
https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/stat...79259866394625
A good thread on minority conscript being sent to the frontlines by Russia as cannon fodder.
Thats fucked up. The more details you hear about this war, the worse it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by HANZO
30 pages in and Ukraine is still not down for the count. Fuuuuuck you Putler.
Yeah that's messed upQuote:
Originally Posted by ShaDynasty
Aren’t these the people who are being equipped with guns that stopped being manufactured 50 years ago?Quote:
Originally Posted by ShaDynasty
Pakistan getting nukes just to spite India is pretty funny
And after Israel got nukes, I'm surprised Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Iran, etc...didn't also get nukes. They hate Israel