Tekitha with the background vocals on A Better Tomorrow track. Should have used her in Forever-style though.
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Tekitha with the background vocals on A Better Tomorrow track. Should have used her in Forever-style though.
Most of the internet in 1997?Quote:
Originally Posted by talassi
I've listened to the album front to back about 5 times now, over the course of a couple of days. Maybe a 7.5/10.
The fact of the matter is, you never know what to expect with a Clan album - they're always so unexpected and RZA does not give one flying fuck about the musical trends of the day. The man just does what he wants (whether or not the clan agree with him).
Wasn't really feeling 'Keep Watch' when it dropped. Thought 'Ron O'Neal' was a bit of an improvement, but wasn't totally blown away. But these are both slightly better in the context and feel of the album, than as stand alone tracks.
'Felt' is an interesting track. Not your typical wu-shit, but still kinda haunting, in a similar vein to 'The Projects' or 'Older Gods' with the piano loop. Strange drums, but it just about works.
'40th Street Black' is a curve ball I wasn't expecting - the cheap sounding, fast paced drums remind me of Bobby Digital's 'So Fly ft. Division'... but whatever.
'Mistaken Identity' is bananas, 'Hold the Heater' is a grower, 'Crushed Egos' is damn good, 'Miracle' is decent, 'Preacher's Daughter' is kinda corny but could've been worse.
Now.... 'Pioneer the Frontier' and 'Necklace' back to back... yes!!!
'Better Tomorrow' is a cool uplifting track, 'Never let Go' is dope - I like the vibe of this, prticularly the horns. 'Family Reunion' is worth it for Ghost's short verse and ODB shout out, but the drums sound like they were done on a $150 casio keyboard default setting...
Overall: more good than bad and a very enjoyable listen overall.
needed a lot more genius
have anyone of you.. listened while blazed.. could be better rather than
keep comparing it to past albums. with all the hate y'all must of had high expectations.
"Miracle": Aladin kinda ruins this song for me, but entire concept is superior to any Disney chorus so I'll go with 9/10
LMAO @ Aladdin
There alot of good opinions from board members i agree with in regards to the new LP but there are also some i dont agree with.
I was thinking about this "wu sound" that ppl are sometimes talking about. its just a description. you may come to me tomorrow and tell me ayo this group right here got that wu sound and i can agree with you or not.
Rza created the Wu-Tang Clan through his vision his concept his SOUND. this "wu sound" alot of us always talking about. No matter what he puts out it automatically has the "wu sound". RZA = WU SOUND ALWAYS.
Im glad not all the wu lp's sound anything alike. Rza is an artist and if its for good or worse he keeps evolving. I hope he drops 10 more wutang albums.
I used the words ''wu sound'' alot in this post and that shit get old doesnt it?
At the end of the day we all have our right to opinion or description of something or sound.Thats why this forum is great.
This ABT lp is a great album i give it a 8/10 . I would have preferred that Nathaniel vocals were not on the tracks tho. Happy Listening.
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Originally Posted by Pattch82
Campfire, Take it Back, had nothing classic Wu sounding and they were boring. Gun Will Go definitely didn't have a Wu vibe (besides the beat being okay). The overall feel of the track sounded like they were tryin to make a catchy gangsta track to compete with the likes of G Unit back then...that wasn't Wu. And there was nothing "masterpiece" about The W (besides maybe Hollow Bones). It was a decent album, definitely not a masterpiece.
I think it's pretty dope. First listen was great, 2nd & 3rd not so much but I've let it sink in since then and it's not my favorite WU album but pretty dope regardless.
I think you have to listen to this album as a whole and not go in expecting it to be ENTER. Like someone said, Rza and the rest of the WU are humans and they do change with the times just like us. I think this sound is more mature...if you take it for what it is instead of what you want it to be I think it's dope.
Time will tell with this album, we can't really judge it that much right now. I saw a "review" on an official site that was like a 10 line paragraph and said nothing yet this particular author thought the album was "a fail". This is one of the problems with the digital age, we hear an album and if it doesn't impact us instantly we throw it away and move on to the next one. The ADHD generation...
PS...if Rza's sound were a character in a movie people would be talking about a dope character development. He went from sampling dusty records to basically having a whole orchestra to sample...
RZA & GZA both had 6 verses, Deck had 8, GFK and Uey had 7, Meth MK and Cappa had 10 verses while Raekwon had 5 only
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Originally Posted by TheWuCepticon
Campfire isn't Wu sounding?!! Dark, ominous beat, awesome sample and dope verses (even Cappa!)
Same with Gun Will Go, dark beat, dope verses and ill beat switch up when Masta Killa comes in. Totally Wu sounding.
Take It Back is not necessarily Wu sounding but it's bangin none the less, and everyone rips their verses.
8 Diagrams is so much more together as an album. It's got the dark vibe running right through it apart from one or two missteps (Starter!)
And, The W is one of the most cohesive dope albums in the entire Wu catalogue. RZA in 2000 was on some shit, he had just done Ghost Dog OST which was ill and Supreme Clientele and The W carried on that dope streak!
Maybe I just like the darker sounding Wu shit like The W and 8D. I will continue to spin this new album to see if it grows on me but so far it ain't hitting me.
Necklace is ill though.
Peace!
8 Diagrams dark? LOL besides a few tracks that album was not dark at all. Most of that album is so dull. There is nothing distinctively Wu sounding about Campfire because its forgettable and generic...it being dark doesnt save it. Tracks like Unpredictable was horrible, overproduced and horrible singing or whatever it was by Dexter Wiggles (LOL that fuckin name smh). Gun Will Go was generic and did not feel like Wu. It felt like them tryin hard to make a basic gangsta anthem. And no, there more than a few missteps on 8D. Weak Spot was properly titled because it was mad weak. Heart Gently Weeps was a snooze fest. Get Em Out Ya Way Pa, zzzzzzz. Stick Me For My Riches? What the fuck was that?? That ain't good Wu shit. Windmill was dope however, I always liked that. The W's production wasn't that great, besides a few cuts. Just because some shit was dark doesn't mean it was great. The W could've been a classic had the Ghost Dog beats been used for it. Because GD had a lot of classic, and properly dark Wu production. ABT could've been better, of course, but definitely shits on 8 Diagrams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pattch82
Some of the singles (strangely) sound better in the context of the full album - but that is just how I feel. Those wack choruses seem to be bother me a bit less now. It'll be interesting to find out how you feel once you've listened to the whole album. I was very critical of the album because of the first two singles, but to my surprise this is quite a cohesive album. Corky's right, some of the singles don't do the album any justice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mumm Ra
Peace.
What about GZA? Thanks for the review.Quote:
Originally Posted by SL33
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Originally Posted by Mumm Ra
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Originally Posted by TheWuCepticon
Agree to disagree I suppose... You're feeling it, I'm not.
I agree about the Ghost Dog beats though... I wish RZA would have kept some of those beats for The W. Imagine the Clan spitting over beats like 4 Sho Sho or The Man. And Fast Shadow is ill. Also, Buck 50 off Supreme Clientele has the same kinda feel.
Peace!