God?

according to this scripture did satan lie ?


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who was god talking to ?


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btw - yahweh is not jesus

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this god you experienced is very real but is not the creator of everything that exist

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I have complete faith in the Grand Creator, we can agree to disagree on this point but there is multiple instances where the Quran credits God as the creator of everything

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again this god is very real but is not a spook or the creator of everything that exist

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I believe that everything has come from a single source. The God that is within you, which I'm guessing what some refer to as the true and living God, is a reflection and remnant of that single source.

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the quaran confirms whats written in the bible

in the bible there is a story of a talking snake who made adam disobey god

do you also believe in this talking snake ?

yes i've read both books a couple of times

thouroughly

and in both this god is talked about as a WE and not a HE

also the word God is a plural word translated to greek from the hebrew word Elohim which is the plural form of EL who is the supreme out of the 24

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I view the Quran as clarifying the bible. I think that the Bible has been translated too many times from it's original source , unfortunately, to contain all of it's true meaning. I definetly don't take everyting in the Bible literal. I do accept things in a more literal sense when reading the Quran. The Quran does use We but I have always looked at this as meaning God and his messengers when I read it. The Quran does use He and does credit God for being the Grand Creator.

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you think my reason for doubt is.........(all the lies and deceptions that man has used in God's name)


what is it that i doubt ?(That there is the One Creator)

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there are absolute truths stated within the quaran about what ?

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Here is one example in which the Quran is breaking down the nature of man and the means by which he decieves: Surah 3, verse 7, He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book; In it are veses basic or fundamental( or established meaning) They are the foundation of the Book: others are not of well-established meaning. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part therof that is not of well-established meaning. Seeking discord and searching for its hidden meanings.....)I think this is an absolute truth in regards to human nature. One with real wisdom will seek what unites while those of a devious nature choose a path of discord.

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sounds nice sounds smart
btw i don't do science nor do i rely on it for answers

the words "it is what can't be proven or explained that proves god exist"

doesnt make any sense

it sounds nice sounds smart but it doesn't make any sense


your basically saying that if i can't prove it, this means someone or something greater than me exist

this someone or something may be greater

doesn't mean that this something is the creator of everything that ever existed

and it shure does not prove that it exist

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I can see why this would appear nonsensical because I wasn't completely clear in what I was referring to, which was human conscieness. No matter how much scientist understand physiologically what happens when you are thinking, dendrytes and all, they still have no idea scientifically to the best of my knowledge, where the power to control our brains comes from. To me the reason that' they can't is because it is your soul which controls your brain and has next to no physicallity within our own bodies and therefore will never be "discovered" by science. To me the proof of the soul is proof of God.

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i can appreciate and even respect a good musicians art even if he is straight up wrong

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I was actually referring to Malcolm X when I originally mentioned this but musicians work as well in this scenario. Bob Marley is a good example. I'm definetly not a Rasta but a lot of his music contained universal truths.

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if the above is true, then why would i need God

what purpose would he/she/it serve since i do have free will to do whatever i want ?

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I would say that God is needed for guidance and wisdom. My knowledge and understanding of life, personally, wouldn't be possible without Gods' good graces. You have the will to embrace or deny these things but anyone who grasp the fundamentals of what is written in the bible and the quran will be better off for it. The words are there so that we may know God's will, to deny that will is to only do damage to ourselves. It is not God who suffers.

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i can put my hand on my balls and feel the reality, whats the point ?

to have faith in something that does not exist ?

and even if it does exist what can it do for me right now ?

what is it doing for those who pray to it right now ?

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I said that last part because you said you had faith in nothing and I would say that you should at least believe in yourself if nothing else. Self-determination can carry a person a long way.

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you can be linked to the true and living god though

and judging by your words you may almost be there

stay building

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No doubt homie, I see forums such as these as a chance to have some real dialogue. We may not always agree but that doesn't mean we can't keep the conversations going on some real knowledge and understanding. Let's keep it moving, nice buildin with ya. peace

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Originally Posted by Eric Unseen

Since all those materials are derived from something on earth, in a since yes, that would also be true. Same as the free will given to those people that decide to pull the trigger.

The difference between the two is that shit is completely natural. You could eat broccoli and green beans all day and then take the healiest shit in your life and it would all be a natural process that God created. But God prefers that people don't kill each other, free will fucks those intentions up.

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bullets are just as natural as shit.

what are u defining s "natural"

all that natural means is "of or birthed out of nature"

bullets fit that definition just as comfortably as shit

humans are natural "creations" we are birthed out of the earth, thus everything we do and can possibly conceive of is natural... u cant escape nature.

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Originally Posted by Eric Unseen

If you don't put faith in anything else, at least put faith in yourself homie, a rock thrown into water makes ripples. You are the sole controller of your own destiny and are capable of acheiving whatever it is that you wanna do. If you believe in nothing else then believe in that. And if you ever doubt it, just put your hand on your chest and feel that motherfuckin heart beat. It don't get no realer than that. peace
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why do religionists insist on using teh word "faith" when a more reasonable and rational word ..(such as teh word "confidence") can always be used when referring to ones self?

i dont have faith in myself.. i merely have confidence in myself based on objective evidence (that evidence being my tried and true personal track record of handling situations that come my way)...thats not faith... its called confidence.....

religionists always like to sneakily try to slip "faith" in the mix

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Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS

btw - yahweh is not jesus

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Some christians refer to Jesus as Yahweh. Yahweh is just another reference for god- some people think Jesus is god. This transalation I found was explained to me from a Jesuit at one of my old high schools- hence the reason why siad Yahweh is Jesus- that's just my understanding of it.

http://www.forananswer.org/Top_JW/JesusJehovah.htm

^^check the link this guy can explain better then I can

BTW- I don't believe this shit.

faith is a trick

hunches need exploring

faith suggests believing in something that does not necessarily mean its true, we just clinge on that faith for hope...

faith must be broken down, religion torn apart, gaps identified.

we all should try and do that.


but what do i know... i might not really exists like god, im a mere computer replying crap.

faith is a lotto ticket.

its worse than a lotto ticket.

we know from past experience with lotteries and statistical probability that inevitably there will be a "winner" of this "ticket"

faith doesnt even offer that amount of objective certainty.

faith is worthless.

faith instills a belief that is felt by the person but is as unreal as a cloud upon which to ride that faith out.

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faith is worthless.

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to those who have no faith. Bill Gates money is worthless to me and why? Cause his money ain't my money.

aliens niggas fuckin aliens

the ananokie earth giants.....u dont believe me ...look it up on the net...the shit will blow ya mind 4reel

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Originally Posted by My First Timbs

its worse than a lotto ticket.

we know from past experience with lotteries and statistical probability that inevitably there will be a "winner" of this "ticket"

faith doesnt even offer that amount of objective certainty.

faith is worthless.

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Timbs, did you ever think that you could be wrong? I mean do you ever wish you could believe in some kind of religion, at least for peace of mind- or does that conflict with you to much?

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Originally Posted by Eric Unseen

to those who have no faith. Bill Gates money is worthless to me and why? Cause his money ain't my money.

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that's alot of wisdom!

But, the love of money is the root of all evil

and so is faith...