well he cant be christian then !!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mic Tyson
peace be with you !
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well he cant be christian then !!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mic Tyson
peace be with you !
well he can because its true. it aint speculation thats just history. there were many councils that helped create the doctrine you follow today, including jesus' humanity and divinity.
i am not disagreeing with that...but the trinity isnt just made up of human idea`s they are based on JESUS`s words..eg.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mic Tyson
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.
also
(john:14-9) -he that hath seen me hath seen the Father.
they are trinity doctrines from JESUS.
PRAISE BE TO GOD ALWAYS !!!!!!!!!!!
peace be with you !
well the gospels were written by ppl that didnt even know him. did they have an agenda?
the gospels where written by the actual disciples (matthew and john) and by people who where freinds with the desciples ( mark and luke) ...and really what could have been there aganda they gained nothing personally from writting about jesus in fact for there belief in JESUS they were killed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mic Tyson
dont listen to your teacher or visionz and mumm ra
peace be with you !
did I not ask you once before how you distinguish parable from literal meaning, and you quoted me a jesus verse saying he always speaks in parables?Quote:
umm no... JESUS literally means what he is saying when he says "if you have seen me you have seen the father" there is no hidden sub meaning.
why is plucking out an eye not literal but this is?
is your pinkie finger you? If I cut it off and put it in a jar would it tell me that Cappadonna has considerably more talent than Ghostface? Would it be compelled to come on to Wu-Corp and post in KTL? Certainly its a part of you but is it YOU?Quote:
Originally Posted by prof zooruka
Is a tree GOD, is the sun GOD, is mount Everest GOD, is Michael the arcangel GOD???? you can type in caps all you want but it doesn't take away from your logical fallacy which the church has fed you. All these things are a part of God as God resides within them but none of them ARE GOD.
Jesus is who he says he was, a vessel for God's message.
thank you btw for not answering most of my questions in my last post and attempting to frame the conversation on topics and only the topics that you are comfortable in answering (or not answering as is so often the case)
also thank you for passing judgement on a person you don't know at all simply for not accepting the idea of the trinity
and on one final note as this slipped past me before
HE ALONE, if he is alone then that means there is a separation if there is a separation from the One then all others can not be God for there can only be One and you know it but you don't know that you know it.Quote:
yes because GOD the father is the head so if he is coming up with all the idea`s then he alone is the good one.
Now answer the questions you've already been asked before you proceed forth with any more rebuttals. I won't answer any more of your questions until you have proceeded to do so.
Good day.
lol zooroka, there were a few more authors I believe, my previous post illustrates that as accurate as possible.
umm yes it does ....JESUS is addressing the influance of satan in peters words...JESUS isnt calling peter satan !!!!! anyway how can peter be satan to jesus if later in the gospels JESUS says this to peter....Quote:
^To Peter "get behind me Satan"....and that does have hidden meaning. How do you make a distinction because what has metaphoric meaning and what doesn't? What's your methodology for making that determination? Jesus was fond of speaking in parables because he felt like otherwise the message would be lost. Almost everything he said has a deeper meaning.
(Luke 22:31-3-“Simon, Simon, behold, Satan has demanded permission to sift you like wheat; but I have prayed for you, that your faith may not fail; and you, when once you have turned again, strengthen your brothers” )
so if peter was working for satan or was considered satan by jesus why would JESUS be telling him satan wants to sift him like wheat.
sorry but you only pick and choose you need to look at the context and the bigger picture.
umm JESUS is more than a hand...but you are correct JESUS on his own can`t do anything this is 100% correct...JESUS and the scriptures dont deny this fact that is why JESUS reaptedly statesQuote:
I like my left hand Prof. I use it to write. I paint with it. It's the hand that I use to express who I am. But without me, without my soul and my thoughts pouring through my hand the hand would be useless. It is just a tool that I use to express myself. It is a part of me but it is not ME. If my hand could talk it would take none of the credit for the works it has produced because it knows where the works really come from. Jesus was God's talking hand. It does not make Jesus God.
I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. john5:30
no one is deny that its GOD the father who is the one who is calling the shots but just picture it like this if GOD the father is the brains and jesus is his word they work together the mind thinks and the word speaks so therefore jesus is apart of GOD just like when you think and speak your mind and words work together to get your message across that is how god the father and JESUS work together.....this means your words are apart of who you are and jesus is apart of who GOD is.
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no it doesn't, your assumption is contradicted by "there is no one good but He" Jesus refuses to take credit that he knows is not owed to him. He understands he is not God.
no it doesnt mean he is not GOD (why dont you understand) he knows that GOD the father is the brains behind the operation so he is the good one because he is the one with the ideas so jesus is giving credit where credit is due.... but that in no way takes away from his divinity at all because jesus (being the word of GOD) makes those thoughts of the father come into existance...its like when you think your thoughts remain in your head until your word bring it into existance thats how it is with god the father and jesus he thinks and jesus brings it into existance.
PRAISE BE TO GOD ALWAYS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
look visions how can you believe what I tell you if you dont believe in the very words in the bible when it talks plainly about the trinity..if you dont believe in that how can you believe what I say.
It`s been a nice build though.:frusty:
peace be with you !
firstly the authors of the gospels usually state when JESUS was about to tell a parable but you have to look at the conext in which JESUS was saying it he was being serious also JESUS would speak plainly to his disciples but parables to the masses thats how he did it ....Quote:
Originally Posted by Mumm Ra
Mark 4:9-12 - When he was alone,the twelve and the others around him asked Him about the parables. He told them, “the secrete of the Kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that, they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!”
Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
JESUS`s tone in that exchange was serious you can tell from the way he is speaking it just common sense.
peace be with you !
you see how you skipped over the question of what leads you to decide what's literal and only literal and what's metaphysical/metaphorical. I noticed :yes: and I'm still waiting for an answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by prof zooruka
And look where you said Jesus was the word of God, no. Those aren't Jesus's words those are God's words, Jesus just spoke 'em. Now I'm not trying to say that being God's vessel isn't an important job, it is, but time and time again your justification for a trinity really just confirms that there is no trinity and only One God. People pray to Jesus when they should be praying to the One that sent Him.
You also said that Jesus would be nothing without God. God would still be God without Jesus (afterall it's His message in the first place) so there you go. The trinity is a man-made concoction. And I don't know how you saying I'm not following the words of the Bible when I'm only referring to the words straight out of Jesus's mouth, the ones that constantly refer and give all credit to God and he takes none for himself. He constantly spoke in parables and in metaphorical tones yet you yourself pick and choose when to decide when his words have deeper meaning and when they don't. Being that he's God's vessel I consistently take his words to have deeper meaning and so to reveal the truth of his words.
So yes you're right he wasn't really calling Peter satan. But at the same time you're wrong about the trinity. It's a mistake I'm sure that Jesus would rather you not make.
I know this isn`t the answer your probably look for but it comes down to reading comprehension and faith ...seeing the text in its entirety and what fits and doesn`t.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visionz
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Originally Posted by Visionz
JESUS is the word of GOD....
john 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"
this is talking about JESUS and you may say these word come from the author who wrote it, but like I said you need faith and I believe in faith that the holy spirit in tuth inspired the author to write these words.
JESUS is the word of GOD literally !!!!! not just a conveyor of his words...that is 100% truth that you can take to the bank.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visionz
peace be with you !
^oh RLY because some guy other than Jesus said it about him?Quote:
Originally Posted by prof zooruka
What's Jesus himself have to say on the subject?
John 7:16 My doctrine is not mine but his that sent me
John 8:26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true: and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him
John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things
John 12:49-50 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Fathter which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say and what I should speak
And I know that his commandment is life everlasting, whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
like I told you JESUS is the word of GOD literally when he says I say what I have heard it`s just a figure of speech he is using it doesnt mean that GOD spoke to him (like they are two seperate individulas and told him what to say and he says it like a normal messanger having a conversation with GOD..... like moses on mount sinai or the burning bush...its not like that !!!!...he is the word of GOD ... GOD the father thinks it and speaks it and he brings it into existance..he is the executioner of God’s idea`s...just as your words bring life to what your mind is thinking and executes you ideas thats how it is with GOD the father and Jesus christ ...the father thinks it and JESUS brings it into existance ....understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visionz
what I just said is 100% truth may GOD punish me if I have lied to you !
PRAISE BE TO GOD ALWAYS !!!!!!!!!!!!!
peace
ur right, i shouldnt listen to my teacher who is an ordained christian priest and knows 10 times more about christianity and the bible than you. ill just listen to you because you can only quote verses but dont have any historical evidenceQuote:
Originally Posted by prof zooruka