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Originally Posted by prof zooruka
what were their real names ?
what name did Jesus's mother call him by ?
Matthew 27:46
About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
Matthew 27:45-47 (in Context) Matthew 27 (Whole Chapter)
why has god forsaken the other god ?
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Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS
adam and eve where called adam and eve.....also when Jesus says why has thou forsaken me, he means why has God left him alone.
peace be with you !
great -Quote:
Originally Posted by prof zooruka
so what if we break that...?
no more use for religion?
you do understand that people can break that without religion already..yes?
we all have good in us - does that make us good by nature too?Quote:
so yes we all have that dis obeidance in us...so in essance we are sinful by nature ,
i guess i just don't understand how these last two quotes make sense together. but okay.Quote:
but it`s not set in stone,because that disobeidance is not a fundemental of who we are
okay, so we are not sinful by nature.Quote:
proving at our core we are not sinful
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Originally Posted by Mumm Ra
mumm ra........we are sinful by nature because we choose evil over good...but at our core level we are not born to be sinful because we can choose if we want to be sinful or not, it`s not an automatic given to be sinful...like your claiming it to be.
Also... Nobody can break the sinful behaviour without religion...you can count on that.
peace be with you !
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Originally Posted by prof zooruka
lmao - by who ?
i know what forsaken means - when i read the bible in full, i would read some of the lines very very slow and sometime 2 or three times, and i had one of them big ole old ass webster dictionaries with meQuote:
Originally Posted by prof zooruka
according to you, jesus is god and was there since the beginning of time with god when he created the earth - so he should have known he'd be on that tree - so what was he crying for - a god crying to another god asking him why have you forgotten me ..........doesn't make any sense
when Jesus's moms called him in the house for dinner, what did she call him ?
i can only hope you come to the realization that this makes absolutely no logical sense....there's not much more i can do myself to make you come to that fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by prof zooruka
no matter what you believe - you can't have a sinful free nature.
I did.Quote:
Also... Nobody can break the sinful behaviour without religion...you can count on that.
mumm ra....it`s like your a criminal you choose to committ crime, but you where not born that way, you chose to become like that, so it`s not fundementally who you are, it`s what you have choosen to become...same with our sinful nature,we have chosen to become like that, but the criminal behaviour like the sinful nature can be broke at any time you choose...you just have to make that choice with your free will...proving that we are not really sinful by nature at our core level or a criminal.
peace be with you !
so we choose what our nature isQuote:
same with our sinful nature,we have chosen to become like that
couldn't have said it betterQuote:
Originally Posted by prof zooruka
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Nobody can break the sinful behaviour without religion...you can count on that.
please don't overlook this truth prof zooruka, as you are incorrect.Quote:
I did.
if there is a god and a devil, them 2 right there are are greatest grandparents - think differently
I can dig it.
dear proof?
how many wins will the detroit lions an newyork mets get next year?
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Originally Posted by Mumm Ra
Yes and no....
we can choose what our nature becomes, by the choices we make...eg an man who chooses to do criminal activities, becomes a criminal by nature, but at the same time like I said, it`s not set in stone, because that man was not born that way, he chose to become like that through his choices,so where ever a choice is made that effects your nature, it can always be reversed with an alternative choice and proves that at there core level they where not made to be that way.... same with adam and eve they where not made with a sinful nature as shown in the bible, they became that way after the choice they made (which was to disobey God and choose evil)...So while after the choice human`s became sinful in nature,because we inherited our parents disobeidance, it is not intrinsically who we are at the core level, and therefore can be changed....and like I said this is proven by God giving religion, because if man was always sinful and born that way, religious guidance would be usless, because we couldn`t change who we are because we are born that way, but that is not the case with humans, we became sinful through choice not because that is who we are, and there for we can change.
The real saying should be our nature has become corrupted...not we are that way.
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Originally Posted by Mumm Ra
mumm ra ...I doubt you are pure in the sight of God, without religion...only God knows what is good and bad, you may think you are good because you proabably don`t steal or kill ect.... but God knows your heart and your mind, you probably watch porn, have pre marital sex, tell lies, masturbate ect.......and think you are still good hahahah lolz.
Im not judging you mumm ra or condeming you...all Im saying is you think with your attitude, that you know more than God and don`t need his advice to be living right...Now I ask you this !!!!!! who do you think knows more the creator or the created....humble yourself mumm ra, and accept the wisdom of the almight GOD !!!!!!!!
Oh .... If your gonna give me some speach about how religion is man made to controlle the masses and you don`t need it to follow God, save it..because we will never agree.
peace mumm ra
peace be with you !
i have to make this short cuz i gotta leave.....
im not perfect - never claim to beQuote:
Originally Posted by prof zooruka
nor are you
but you said that you cannot get rid of sinful behavior without religion - when i unquestionably have.
not ALL of it, but I've rid myself of more things than I'm sure I could have with religion
you can't go against that - ive experienced it
please don't ass-ume and put your words in my mouth -Quote:
Im not judging you mumm ra or condeming you...all Im saying is you think with your attitude, that you know more than God and don`t need his advice to be living right...
i never claimed any of that, and i never said i dont need god to be living right
to get right to the point - i think just the opposite of all you just said i supposedly think
who do you think knows more, god or a book?Quote:
Now I ask you this !!!!!! who do you think knows more the creator or the created....humble yourself mumm ra, and accept the wisdom of the almight GOD !!!!!!!!
[edit] and do you think going through a book to get to god is more necessary than going straight to god? [/edit]
i seek god's wisdom everyday zooruka, don't be arrogant and ignorant
and i was made in its image
god doesn't exist within a bookQuote:
Oh .... If your gonna give me some speach about how religion is man made to controlle the masses and you don`t need it to follow God, save it..because we will never agree.
peace zoo ill try to address more later
^^^^^^
peace be with you !
mumm ra
Yeah but mumm ra...what is your basis for right and wrong if you don`t follow religion....what you just imagine what is right or wrong in your own mind ??????? or you get it from secular law ???? well sorry but even secular laws have there basis in religion...so I ask you mumm ra what is your basis for right and wrong and a moral standard if you do it without religion.... I just can`t see where else you could be getting your foundation from ?????.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mumm Ra
The book is God`s words mumm ra.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mumm Ra
How else does God exist ???? what your going to tell me you have a direct line to God or he sends you pm`s ????? I don`t disagree that God can speak to your heart and mind when he needs to reveal somthing to you, but God primaryly sets his standards and wishes in religion, wich comes in written book form !!!!!....what you are saying really is that God who established religion in a book is wrong and you are right, because you believe he doesn`t exist in a book !!!!! not to mention forsaking thousands of years of history and people who directly encountered God and wrote what they heard and saw....sorry mumm ra now it is you who is being arrogant.
anyway peace
peace be with you !