His verse on Holocaust on In Stereo is absolutely fucking awful.
Can't think of anything noteably bad before that.
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His verse on Holocaust on In Stereo is absolutely fucking awful.
Can't think of anything noteably bad before that.
The Holocaust verse, wow that was early! But now that you mention it, I remember being disapointed back when I heard it. But I think I always blamed it on Ghost never should have been on that beat in the first place, a slow, cold rethread of Winter Warz. But ok, good catch.
I totally agree, BUT (pause): he is also the only rapper I know who had an entire song about the sun. About being underwater. About being angry at his watch, with a back and forth (pause) argument. About having a script for a biopic about Ray Charles stolen from him. Crying on songs. The selfproclaimed «I-don’t-know-what-you’re-talking-about-style» of Nutmeg. When did it go away?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaolinmonk
His verse on Projects was embarrassing cringeQuote:
Originally Posted by noel411
Edit: every fucking thyme i try to reply to person above, someone posts in betwixt, lol.
My last post was in reply to phadde96.
And yeah, projects verse was rubbish and completely out of place on that track. Good call.
this verse is great lolQuote:
Originally Posted by cd
His verse on that one song on Wu Tang Forever where he talked about sex was gross AF and I had to take it off, cannot even remember the title. Was it the Projects? Ah yeah it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by noel411
Crying, you mean that thing he did on I Can’t Go to Sleep? I think that was just him using his whiny voice, but touche. I think he had a handful of those and earlier on was more real. Then he got lazy, fans just wanted the hardcore shit and that’s what made him $$$ so he gave us that. I think it’s a mix of complacency and the fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by phadde96
Honest question, why do you listen to Wu and hip hop if you're so sensitive and offended by everything? ODB must have made you run to therapy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaolinmonk
Don't get me wrong, Ghost's verse on Projects not only ruins the song but is embarrassingly pathetic. And this is coming from someone who loved the 2 Live Crew... when I was 12. But to be so "offended" and distraught by words is just silly.
leave that Projects verse alone!
anyway:
Should have named this Blue and Cream and that's it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TSA
Now we have people trying to discredit Ghosts’ work in the past because they’re upset about the album. It’s the same LGBTQ+ members. Anyways I’m seeing mixed reactions to this album. The Casual Wu fans are enjoying this album. The Die Hard fans are not enjoying this album. I think the first half of the album is pretty solid and then it dips off towards the end. I will give this 2-3 more spins throughout the week.
The Trial is the only good song for me. Too bad all that talking ruins it. The nas colabo was boring as fuck too
It's weird af that the generals NEVER use the elements that got them in the door.Quote:
Originally Posted by RADIOACTIVE MAN
With having the privilege of time passed and music created and released, shouldn't they know by now what the fans want??!
I can understand being an artist that wants to try different things and create different pieces of art but you've all done that over the past 30+ years. You'd think they'd want to end their careers on a high note and the same way they came in.
Like Tyson said "you gotta leave wit the same one that brought you to the dance"
This is why i fux with you TSA. you will keep it real even if you a fan of the artist.Quote:
Originally Posted by TSA
thats some real shit.
gonna sit back and read more of these comments lol
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Originally Posted by cunt
shhhhhhhh bro. they swore Rza was the problem. now they are seeing whats happening now that rza has taken a step back. there were people here crowning new abbots like RZA STILL AINT THAT DUDE THAT HAD THE FORMULA THAT BUILT THIS. THE audacity lmao
and there it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaolinmonk
my issue with anything he did after supreme clientele. wheres the freeverse flow in this album. that psychadelic shit is what made supreme clientele top tier. the fact that you didn't know what angle those bars were gonna take. it was so refreshing
and as it pertains to the comparison between ghost and my main man grizzly. lets shy away from that because even though they are the same vein of mc, they both have contrasting mindsets on the sound they deem acceptable. ghost literally is the guy that said he is an R&b dude and that the W was too dark for him lol. grizzly on the other hand was always saying. this shit ain't hard enough. its not gully enough. he wants to up the ante in terms of how grimey ish is.
my point is. yall expecting grit from a dude who is aiming to have more loverboy records and thats why yall dissappointed. if you want that. grizzly is our guy. minus lex diamonds. grizzly gets it and he should be your top choice to go to for that grimey wu shit followed by GZA. but again
what do i know?
Im on my 8th listen of this.
I’ve settled on this being a messy but good Ghostface album.
Calling it Supreme Clientele seems like an act of self harm.
It only detracts from the good points about the album itself.
Odd, odd choice from Ghost.
Promo can go both ways. People gonna not check for this coz of the heat.
And it won’t be remembered fondly, when it would have been otherwise.
bro. darkim be allah who is even a lesser known wu element could produce some of the illest shit for them and i bet you everything. he would be wiling to do it just on the strength of the generals asking him. its very mind boggling if you ask me. wu elements aisde. the brothers are LEGENDS. they have the clout and power to assemble the avengers of producers like premier, havoc, alchemist, DJ MUGGS ETC.Quote:
Originally Posted by trinking
theres no excuse whatsoever for mid tier produced albums by the generals but nooooo ITS ALL RZA'S FAULT LOL
well, the whole clan all fell off. Including RZA.Quote:
Originally Posted by RADIOACTIVE MAN
Its a solid album, yes the first supreme clientele has the magic production , seeing Ghost mentioning they gavehim a handfull of beats at that time on a cd he probably had better choice to pick from
But i agree Ghost can do better ill get the CD
Lol, yeah that shit is such a half hearted attempt at trying to make this compilation of tracks look like it was always intended to be sc2. Totally agree tho, just makes it feel like even more of a mixtape.Quote:
Originally Posted by cunt
take it from someone who has heard a ton of shit rza has vaulted,including some recent works. HE HASN'T. He just doesn't want to. i've heard him channel rzarecter in ways you couldnt even imagine lol.mannnnQuote:
Originally Posted by Antonelli
let me put it like this, maybe one day his wife wont mind him doing "dark shit" and that day? yall wont be ready. i assure you
Unfortunately this is like wishing on a star. I’m not going to discredit what you’re saying cause you’ve shown & prove that you’re well connected and in the know. With that said what was the last RZA beat that made you say “Woah!”…. These guys are just on a different trajectory at this point in their careers. Looking to make whatever they can before they really have to retire. I’ve listened to this album again in the car 2 more times and I stand by what I said originally. He should’ve never named this SC2. Some of these songs sound better in the whip. This has a mixtape vibe all over it. Someone said he should’ve named this Blue and Cream. I agree. Also the reason you’ll never get abstract rhyming from ghost again is because he doesn’t smoke or do dust anymore. All those rhymes were made under those circumstances. He’s been rapping like D Block ever since Fishscale. Also I thought Jadakiss had a verse on this album lol. I wonder what happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by RADIOACTIVE MAN
Wasn’t Ghost just on The Joe & Jada Show yesterday? If Jadakiss was supposed to be on the album, I’m sure they would’ve discussed it there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hollow Dartz
I haven't logged into this site in 12 years but after listening to the album I felt compelled enough to login and say... this album sucks.
I can only agree that it seems Ghost's given up and released this mixtape as s cashgrab. The way he hyped this up for years is criminal. This should've never been called SC at all as it only really set it up for failure. The least he could've done is put some effort into it if he really wanted to give it that name. What we have here for all intents and purposes is Set the Tone 2. No stream of conscious style like the original, very little Wu-Tang involvement, no cohesion, no focus. I would give him some grace if it was called something else but even then by its own merits it still would've sucked.
At this stage in his career, I'm not expecting anything groundbreaking but this ain't it at all.
The irony is that Ghost peaked around that time. His verses and delivery on the W were flawless.Quote:
Originally Posted by RADIOACTIVE MAN
I really doubt he remembers any of The W songs (and they never perform these).
The W helped Wu gain a fanbase among younger millennials, exellent album btw.
Damn, I was having low expectations, but i think this is a dope album. Actually surprised how much I like this. I got what I needed and the album took me to places. Soulful. Drew this while listening.
https://i.ibb.co/TDN9JH5s/Screenshot...a41cc2d2e6.jpg
It is a functionable Ghost album a mere outpost franchisee of the SC name - that's it.
I never had any expectations for it to be on par with the original, as that was a product of its time. They key component being RZA's presence on that album. Back then GFK and RZA had taken a trip to Africa together, the connection was palpable throughout the whole joint. The chemistry on The Grain and Nutmeg for instance. That's why I am really disappointed RZA is not on this sequel (at least a verse or two, if not beats), as he was a gargantuan influence on the original. It's not to be, as GFK does not want to acknowledge that SC was as much a RZA album as it was his solo. Hence SC being among the pantheon of the first-round of legendary 'solo' albums.
If anything, 'SC2' is a perfunctory suture-job of passable beats - that showcases how lucky we are that GFK didn't go on to Exec Produce a Clan album.
DOPE artwork! Glad you were inspired to create... PEACEQuote:
Originally Posted by laki420
Def share your love/appreciation for "The W" (last CLASSIC clan album imo)! Imagine how theatrical a "Cafeful Click Click" live rendition could be... although it might start riots smh. Would also LOVE to see "Cant Go To Sleep" lyve plus "Redbull" (WITH Red) & "Do You Really" have such lyve stage energy. Seems like they mostly do "Gravel Pit" from that album... PEACEQuote:
Originally Posted by SL33
I was at Cappa's solo concert last year and he performed his Careful verse along with the quasi-hook. Crazy energy.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeAll
well said. it really took me aback when he said that. i'll be honest, it was when i really knew there was so supreme clientele 2 coming. again im shocked people had high hopes. not saying this album is wack, it's just not an album to rave about and definitely isn't in the vein of a supreme clientele. Not even in the LEAST BITQuote:
Originally Posted by SL33
MANNNNQuote:
Originally Posted by Mythrandir
I just love it when people actually call shit for what it is. AGAIN, THE MAJOR FORMULA IS RZA. whether these folks like it or not, whether or not yall love his new shit, RZA is more than just the beat maker, he is the vision. His input is invaluable and you can see it when he isn't involved in their projects. it reminds me of method man, to me, method man hasn't been able to replicate the flow, the cadence and might of his work on wutang forever. that in part has alot to do with rza.. the way his voice was even mixed down, the flow and stop, flow and stop, high and low style of flow was exactly what method man should always be and he admittedly will tell you. Rza guided him with that, it was Rza who would hear what needed to be heard and direct him on how to proceed on the wax. the Rza detractors do not understand that its not just about his beats. are all his recent beats great??? that depends on who is listening but is his ear and vision for the members ON POINT. well..go listen to every member album Rza had input in and get back to me.
THERE IS ONLY ONE ABBOT. it was madness for some of yall to think anyone else should be at the helm of the ship. Now you're seeing. It's not easy being Rza in the clan. His job ain't a walk in the park.
saluteQuote:
Originally Posted by Hollow Dartz
the last Rza beat that blew my mind is one yall aint heard yet. it was Him spitting as Rzarecter, la the darkman, prodigal sunn and shabazz the disciple on it. it was one of the craziest joints i've ever heard and it wasn't old shit either. i've also heard stems for shimmy shimmy ya and i'm telling you.. this dude is not human, how he actually made the beat when you hear it from the breakdown is insane. like stated earlier. he just doesn't wanna do it anymore. i kinda understand it. im nowhere near his level but ive been making beats for a minute and i've gotten to the point of experimentation because it just gets to the point where you wanna make and understand music on a different level. is it always a good idea? well...thats for listeners to decide and with no disrespect to his love but his wife aint too keen on that hardcore wutang shit and that played a part in his change of direction.
i kind get it. he is a married man now who prolly doesn't wanna end up a divorce statistic lol. these women these days are different, all it takes is her waking up one day and saying "im unhappy" and a shitstorm begins so i can't even be mad at him.
sidenote: his son has taken up production and i'm sure Rza is his tutor. i heard what his son produced for kurupts daughter. kid got potential but he ain't no Rza..just yet so lets see how that plays out lol
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Originally Posted by SL33
Nah I know what he means. I like The W but its dark and they could have done better. I agree that he peaked at that time. Between Supreme and The W
All due respect to Rza, but let’s not forget about Carlos Bess. He’s one of the main reasons that SC sounded so good.
Rza did Careful when I saw him live around the thyme of BOAP. Cilva was there too.
Ruined the trackQuote:
Originally Posted by cd
DJ TY BOOGIE
NEW GHOSTFACE
Yes!Quote:
Originally Posted by ta12113
Let's not forget Jose "Choco" Reynoso and his work on Wu related stuff including engineering the entire The W album and Supreme Clientele.