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10-17-2009, 12:36 AM
Visionz

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Originally Posted by prof zooruka

like I told you JESUS is the word of GOD literally

you told me literally

when he says I say what I have heard it`s just a figure of speech he is using

but when Jesus actually says it, thenits a figure of speech. So who's word should I put more stock in, yours or Jesus's???

it doesnt mean that GOD spoke to him

And why doesn't it mean that?

(like they are two seperate individulas and told him what to say and he says it like a normal messanger having a conversation with GOD..... like moses on mount sinai or the burning bush...its not like that !!!!

..........because if it was then that would mean that the trinity was just an invention of the church wouldn't it? hmmmmm. You remember when you said I pick and choose????

...he is the word of GOD

according to someone other than Jesus but never according to Jesus himself. If you got an actual verse from Jesus's own mouth stating as much please bring it forward.

... GOD the father thinks it and speaks it and he brings it into existance..he is the executioner of God’s idea`s...just as your words bring life to what your mind is thinking and executes you ideas thats how it is with GOD the father and Jesus christ ...the father thinks it and JESUS brings it into existance ....understand.

understand what? your dogmatic principles of church that have no basis whatsoever on what Jesus actually spoke? No, I don't understand, as a matter of fact I think you are flat out wrong. Jesus constantly attest everything he says and does not to himself but to God. Jesus brings nothing into existence that did not come from God first. A claim that is supported by the words of Jesus himself.

what I just said is 100% truth may GOD punish me if I have lied to you !

^statements like that are why you should be concerned and understand the power structures of this planet. This doctrine of trinity and Godhead and such, those are not your thoughts, they did not originate with you inside your own mind. You were taught these things and through no fault of your own you simply believed what you were taught. This does not make you a lier even if you do unknowingly propagate that which is not true. Zooruka I do not doubt the faith within you a single bit but I urge you to forget all that you have been taught and seek and read with an open mind through you Bible again and pay especially close attention to what is being said by Jesus himself and learn things anew. You can trust that he won't steer you wrong, correct?

PRAISE BE TO GOD ALWAYS !!!!!!!!!!!!!
indeed

peace

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10-17-2009, 01:37 AM
zooruka

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Originally Posted by Visionz

Jesus constantly attest everything he says and does not to himself but to God

yes thats because GOD the father is the one who is thinking of the things to say he is the mind who comes with all the idea`s thats why JESUS attributes everything he says to GOD the father because he is the brains behind the operation.

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Originally Posted by Visionz

Jesus brings nothing into existence that did not come from God first. A claim that is supported by the words of Jesus himself.

yes you are correct.... the idea`s came from GOD the father but it was brought in existance by JESUS because he is the literal word of GOD so whatever the father thinks of it is executed and brought into existance by his word which is JESUS thats why the bible says

john 1:3-"Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made".

peace be with you !
10-17-2009, 01:45 AM
Visionz

.nvermind, continue with what you're doing.
10-17-2009, 01:50 AM
zooruka

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Originally Posted by Visionz

.nvermind, continue with what you're doing.

visionz i would love to hang out with you and talk over a fat blunt.:yes:

peace be with you !
10-17-2009, 01:57 AM
Visionz

john 1:3-"Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made".

^once again Jesus DID NOT SAY IT.

You keep turning to verses that did not come out of Jesus's mouth and I keep on going back ONLY to what came out of Jesus's mouth and yet somehow you feel like the verses you're quoting somehow carry more weight even though it's Jesus that serves as the whole basis of Christianity.

You leave a lot of my direct questions unanswered and choose rather to try and pick apart statements that I make by repeating yourself almost verbatim all the while not bringing anything new to the table. I understand what your concept of the Trinity is and how you think it works. Please confirm you understand that I understand that. You keep on explaining it to me like I'm confused. I'm not confused, I just think the concept is one that DID NOT originate with Jesus. PERIOD.
10-17-2009, 02:07 AM
zooruka

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Originally Posted by Visionz

Please confirm you understand that I understand that. You keep on explaining it to me like I'm confused. I'm not confused, I just think the concept is one that DID NOT originate with Jesus. PERIOD.

well I cant confirm you understand what im saying because if you did you would agree with what im saying.

peace be with you !
10-17-2009, 02:17 AM
Visionz

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Originally Posted by prof zooruka

well I cant confirm you understand what im saying because if you did you would agree with what im saying.

peace be with you !

ahaha, nope its the other way around :lmao:

pass it to the left :b

I can understand you without agreeing with you. That's the case here. When we get into these conversations you're gonna have to understand that principle otherwise you just repeat yourself saying the exact same thing like I'm stupid or some shit.

My question is do you understand what I'm saying? In all honesty I can't tell sometimes. You don't have to agree with it but shit, understand it. :lmao:

Your word for the day is empathy :b
10-17-2009, 02:26 AM
zooruka

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Originally Posted by Visionz

ahaha, nope its the other way around :lmao:

pass it to the left :b

I can understand you without agreeing with you. That's the case here. When we get into these conversations you're gonna have to understand that principle otherwise you just repeat yourself saying the exact same thing like I'm stupid or some shit.

My question is do you understand what I'm saying? In all honesty I can't tell sometimes. You don't have to agree with it but shit, understand it. :lmao:

Your word for the day is empathy :b

yeah sure you know what im saying I dont doubt that ..... but understanding it is another question because like I said you would agree with me...and thats not some arrogance its just what I am saying is TRUE !!!!

:b

peace be with you !
10-17-2009, 02:37 AM
Visionz

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Originally Posted by prof zooruka

yeah sure you know what im saying I dont doubt that ..... but understanding it is another question because like I said you would agree with me...and thats not some arrogance its just what I am saying is TRUE !!!!

:b

peace be with you !

......or so you believe :lmao: I feel the say way about way I'm saying. If I'm reading and interpreting the New Testament I'm putting more weight into what Jesus is saying before anything else. His words can't be contradicted by a regular human but a regular human's can prove to be contradiction when compared to what he's saying. I'll just leave it at that.
10-17-2009, 04:00 AM
zooruka

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Originally Posted by Visionz

I'll just leave it at that.

cool

now I just gotta finish this mumm ra nigga off. hehe lolz

peace be with you !
10-17-2009, 04:43 AM
Mumm Ra

i didn't know i was a nigga
but i dont understand how one can finish something they already lost at
10-17-2009, 05:43 PM
zooruka

visionz I was reading the bible (and I cant believe I forgot to quote this passage) you always said to me you want proof JESUS was claiming to be GOD from his own mouth...well here it is :

john17:5-"And now, Father, glorify me in your presencewith the glory I had with you before the world began"

there you have it in christ`s own plain words "the glory I HAD WITH YOU (meaning JESUS is apart of the eternal trinity with the father because he said I had with you..meaning he existed in eternity with GOD the father) before the world was created (before the world was created) !!!!!!!!!" this statment leaves no room for error or mis interpretation ....he existed before the creation of the world full stop ! ...Now we know he isnt an angel so therefore that leaves only one answer he is GOD...:yes:9:|6:lmao:

close thread !!!!!!!

peace
10-17-2009, 09:35 PM
Visionz

Quote:

Originally Posted by prof zooruka

visionz I was reading the bible (and I cant believe I forgot to quote this passage) you always said to me you want proof JESUS was claiming to be GOD from his own mouth...well here it is :

john17:5-"And now, Father, glorify me in your presencewith the glory I had with you before the world began"

there you have it in christ`s own plain words "the glory I HAD WITH YOU (meaning JESUS is apart of the eternal trinity with the father because he said I had with you..meaning he existed in eternity with GOD the father) before the world was created (before the world was created) !!!!!!!!!" this statment leaves no room for error or mis interpretation ....he existed before the creation of the world full stop ! ...Now we know he isnt an angel so therefore that leaves only one answer he is GOD...:yes:9:|6:lmao:

close thread !!!!!!!

peace

ahahaha, so if think if Jesus was around before the earth was created then that automatically makes him God???

It's even funnier that you say there can be no misinterpretation as it seems you have done just that. the preceding verse shortly before the one you quoted

John 17:3 And this life is eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ,whom thou hast sent

^one life is eternal, eternity goes both way stretching out before earth ever was and long after earth is gone. If Jesus has eternal life then its no stretch to say he was here before earth was created. Second the words are spoke by him the "ONLY TRUE GOD"...............AND......Jesus Christ. There's seperation between the two right there and it was the One True God that sent him.

step that reading comprehension up Zooruka. :list: You take things out of context (you paid no attention to what HE JUST SAID only two verses before the one you quoted) and then read into things what you want to read instead of what's actually being said. Jesus being eternal does not make him God, it just make him eternal. Jesus constantly seperates himself from God, letting you know that their is One True God and that God is not him.
10-17-2009, 09:37 PM
Face of the Golden Falcon

^
...classic esoteric comment from Jesus right there. The whole book of John seems to be largely esoteric, that's why it's so different to the other gospels.

SHEM HETEP
10-17-2009, 09:39 PM
PALEHORSE

the bible is not original. mankind is older then 2000. i wipe my ass with bible pages not cuz i ran out of toilet paper, just cuz its funny to me. the story of jesus was bitten from babylon egyptian and other cultures. its all smoke and mirrors and its all pagan.

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