SHE IS SAYING
that the dumb need to be controlled
by those who have knowledge
but those who have the knowledge, do evil shit.
that is how they, give praise to their god.
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SHE IS SAYING
that the dumb need to be controlled
by those who have knowledge
but those who have the knowledge, do evil shit.
that is how they, give praise to their god.
It's a case of organised religion being more of a detriment to the world than religiosity it self, sorta thing. Religious scriptures, regardless of the belif system have, in essence, a positive message. It's just that religion is highly exploitative, shame really.
Religion or being Religous (the words) is European in origin, and is not synonomous with ancient eastern spiritual systems or scriptures.
people are always confused and somtimes never understand who god is. first people say how can u find God and how can u Find whats not their? when u say U "Found God" your saying that u have jesus in your hearts and in your soul. people say its dumb to be religious and that its a waste of time. well how can those people place their opinion when they arent or havnt ever been Christian. I used to be bad and crap like that and "thought" I was a happy person but when i got into religion and recieved God as my lord and saviorI relized u can NEVER be as happy as I am unless u have God in your hearts. God is real and all will one day come to see that but then can be to late =/
u r conditioned to believe that u felt JESUS(muslims will be conditioned to believe they felt muhammed,sikhs the guru's)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bricka
when u in fact. made the change urself
you made the change. but those who tell u, say it wasnt u.
it was GOD,
thats how they have power, but anyway the point i wanted to make was
what u felt, was you soul/your aura. that gets mistaken and twisted
when religious zealots put their own twist on it.
u just came intune with a better/higher consciousness.
now u can either expound on that. or u can go the 'religious prison way'
its up to u.
peace
i guess you're the expert on this so i want to ask you some things, and you reply taking me through them.Quote:
Originally Posted by soul controller
1.) What is exactly conditioned into the "prisoner"? What is done/how long does it take?
2.) After conditioning how has the person changed, is it possible to change them back? Some philosophers would disagree and say that human beings cannot be conditioned although, but that we only learn. Conditioning is found mainly in animals/pets/
3.) What personal experience have you had on this issue?
4.) What evidence or information have you gathered on this?
peace koolish
im far from an expert..
i will answer ur questions as fully as i can.
ill get back to u later on
some i can do quick time
1) a prisoner of religion - puts all hopes in a higher force.. that controls or guides them in life. the higher force is either a holy book, or texts.. or a priest conditioning usually happens in the 1st 15 years of ur life..
as in if u pay alot of attention to skewl. and do exactly what is asked and u learn that shit..(the most stubborn/closed minded pplz i have ever met are teachers and those in the medical proffession)
most people in society now are conditioned to believe.. in a god/religious fraternity.
even tho, they might say. no i do not do religion or believe in god.
yet they still celebrate the festivals/rituals and dont think twice. thats a very good condtioned person as.. their consciouss is saying i dont believe this.. but the programming is still in effect at the sub conscious level.
hence it is much more easier to divide and polarize diffrent parts of societys depending on their religion/god they believe in
but u can be condtioned later in life, such as the dude who said he found jesus. he was told he found jesus(by his sub conscioous) and those who he spoke to confirmed in his conscious that is what happenED!
if he was muslim/sikh*(i was born sikh)/hindu im pretty sure, a similar scenrio woulda happened. but anyway everything in society, is their to condition how we think or react to certian things/events
2) some of this is in 1, but.. how are we diffrent from pets and animals?
do u know about the tavistock institute? check works on dr joseph venglos, he was a nazi, that was moved to england during operation paperclip,, he was a very high up mind controller/brainwasher
a person changes.. as in, he wouldnt see truth, he wouldnt see fact, even if it happened in front of him, his mind would edit out the infromation taken in, so it will fit his 'view'
yes it is posibble to change them back,. but conditioning like joseph venglos and, being conditioned from skewl to the now, is totally diffrent
i did this quicktime sorry
ask me more questions if any arise.,
and then ill continue with the next 2 questions.
peace koolish
Drop it like it's hot, Soul!....Nice write up, Sun!
Peace
With what I put in bold I just want to know how you know this is what happened. I guess when you answer number three and four I would have a better understanding of that. But for now you are not the said person, and do not have as much knowledge of the situation as you should. Your statement was an absolute statement, and so you need to be careful with that. All I'm asking for is evidence, not bias.Quote:
Originally Posted by soul controller
I see where you're coming from. But I disagree in that there is significant difference in the process of "conditioning" as you put it from the Tavistock Insititute versus a Church. I know what happens in a Church but I won't fully respond until you reply with the other two questions.
For what you said, saying you've been conditioned to something like raise your hand if you want to talk (something taught in school) is nothing more than choice, as is performing holidays. Doing these sorts of things are traditional and accepted in society, and human beings being a social species tend to try and conform along with society. Have they been brainwashed into doing this? Have they been given subliminal messages that this is the only way to perform and their entire consciousness has been changed? I don't think there is substantial physical evidence supporting that.
My main debate with you is that there is a difference between "conditioning" and "learning". From your post it seems the only way we know how to do things is by being conditioned into doing them. I know you typed up the post quick so I don't have everything I should but this is what I understand from what I read. In your reply please tell me what the difference between learning and conditioning is according to you.
My KTL threads are the best
a yo that's true but those "priests" probly wern't TRUE christians. Acoording to their own (and my own) doctrine they WERE NOT true christians (Jesus was not pervert lol). THey acted against their own "religion". In my opinion christanity (or any "religion") when followed in a "godly" way isn't really religion. It's YOUR truth and what u make it to give your "spiritual ease".Quote:
Originally Posted by ckretwon
ahhh the old
"true" religionist factor
huh? what u mean by that
also those priest's are BAD representations of christians.
the only ultimate "authority" on what it truly means to be "christian" is the bible itself and the ancillary documents that support the bible.
being that that is the case, there are alot of things in the bible that if one did today they wouldnt be considered by subjective definition a "true xtian"
^^...such as?
I really shouldn't be starting two different discussions but what the hell.
peace koolish
ill reply later tonite,, ill take longer on it. so i can explain mah self more better..
not everything taught in societt/skewl is conditioning.
but the main factors, are.
aslong as u have a religion or an -ISM to believe in or defend
you are conditoned.
peace
For me religion is personal, I am a catholic yet I respect other peoples opinions. I respect other peoples religions yet what I don't understand are people who are athiest, the idea that you don't believe in a higher power and that we simply just exist for the sake of it is ludicrous, someone with no faith is someone who is lost in this world.
I take religion as a serious problem
Religion is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you gonna get.
Religion is quite a picky subject.
It's for those of good faith, me being a Christian myself, while not fully devoted, still believes there is a form of diving being.
Just a bunch of questions n' shit.
However, Christianity to me is becomming quite questionable.
Don't believe? You should seriously read "The Da Vinci Code" or see the movie on it that's coming out.
Makes you seriously question what you're doin' n shit.
Lol.. Di Vinci Code.
Read "The Geography of Thought" and that make you seriously question your shit and shit.
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Originally Posted by Aqua Luna
no it was godamn islam its dumb as fuck to believe a man can be the creator of everything, first man was black so what. im not racist i just know bullshit when i hear it
thats not true at allQuote:
Originally Posted by TAURO DA GRIM LATIN
most atheists are whole heartedly committed to actually working toward the betterment of humanity.. in addition most atheists are some of the most energetic, optimistic and rational people around.
Try to think of God as a verb or better yet as a mathematical equation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vernakular
I say verb because God always shows and proves - these are actions. We are not expected to just take "God's" word on it....We have free will and brains so we can study and use reason to find the truth. We need proof to 'believe in' something.
Mathematically, God is expressed in the equation of the square or the circle/cipher....math is a universal truth that always stands in every dimension, and can always be proven.
So, to bring it back to the Blackman...you have to understand the significance of biological make-up when it comes to huemans!
Not, only was the Blackman first, he was also the mastermind of all the sciences. He created language and numbers. The Blackman mastered the universe, and now thanks to him, you get to sit on your computer and critize my post...
This is all because of the infinite mind of the Original Asiatic Blackman. No, it wasn't aliens or ghosts, spirits or magic....it was the Blackman.
And, not only is the Blackman mentally equipped, but physically - the melanin in his body and the dominance of his genes allow for his superior physical exisitence in the universe.
Wow, there's a lot of dumbass in this thread.
To cut to the chase Aqueous, shut up. The black man is god? Ok. God shows and proves? Ok. I'll take both those premises at face value. Now, show and prove your capibility beyond the mundane.
since when did i ever instate you as my representative, soul? I think i didn't so if you don't mind sweetheart don't sweat yourself xplaining what i wrote cuz i can do it myself if i wanted to.Quote:
Originally Posted by soul controller
If you enjoy insulting your intelligence by reading maybe one or two words outta of a whole post and after that you build a whole belief about it.
I don't mind but don't come claimin' that i said what i said to give this or that an excuse for any wrong behavior!! or try to construe my words to make it sound something else.
that only shows how narrow-minded some people can be ..sticking only to one or two words that i said instead of all the post and how the words are connected..
it's like when Malcolm said
Mary has a lamp..some people for their own reasons may change it into Malcolm lampooned Mary..
i think god should have a godly characteristics that no one can match him or adleast things that are you know "super". OR else what would make him god? I would never ever except a god that can be defeated because of some desires he has or some needs or something...it's hard for that to sound right!! i mean god has some weaknesses?! What he has left for the humans? To die maybe?! Nah it doesn't make sense.
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Originally Posted by sweet sista
i read all ur post,
what i wrote, was what i got from your post,
im far from narrow or close minded,
as i dont have a belief system to always BACk up
subsconsciuosly or not,
but from what u said,. its like u was saying,.
all the bad shit that the various religions do
then u say
'If they control the masses to avoid bad happenings by the religious solutions, why not? all for the sake of these same masses. + they can't still have control over them if the masses got knowledge and they found out that this -whatever that used to control them- is wrong.;
so i was saying.. that regardless of knowing what you know, and see how religions are manipulated, thus creating tha same religious situations,.
that you talked about earlier in the same post,..
they make the bad things happen to creatve divison,
so people can back their OWN belief even more.
instead of making everyone one, they divide.
i didnt mean to speak on ur behalf,
i was wondering how some1 who can see through things,
still gives all her power, to a higher force,
that was man made,. and was created to manipulate hue-mans
peace
who said that those who don't have a belief can't be narrow-minded? Some people just don't think of the possibility that something took a place cuz of god..they just don't give themselves a chance to think of this..narrow-mindness!Quote:
Originally Posted by soul controller
Quote:
Originally Posted by soul controller
see that what i was saying you skip the biggest parts .you just skipped my point and stick to the small ones iwas tryna be objective and look at the case from all angles..i said something like god damn those priests or religious people who use religion as an xcuse to cover their s***. -that the big point-
but to be objective and to look at really what's goin' on..in some cases, some religions do really have a true value making people stop commiting crimes -IF THEY WERE PRACTICED- like killing innocents or something. Religion solution is an eye for an eye..you kill you'll get killed..of course everything has conditions if you know what i mean. The same to prostitution, homelessness etc..
some religions have a great value in them and that's what i meant in what you quote. Some times, they keep the unity of the community..
brutha, no matter how good we can see through things and no matter how creative, inteligent we are. There always has to come a time when we stop or break down and none of that works..not our intelligence not anyone can helps us. And suddenly outta nowhere we find the solution that never could strike our minds.. i don't know what you may think but i will consider it a god help..it's hard to explalin it to someone who doesn't want to hear it..it's like hearing only what you wanna hear but anyway i hope you see what i mean..Quote:
Originally Posted by soul controller
unity has to be in the truth..
peace,
Of course...
Show and prove that you can read for comprehension!Quote:
Originally Posted by Os3y3ris
Your comments are totally mundane and from what you have said above, so is your reasoning and logic capabilities!
I am not sure what your asking, actually....it seems like you are just trying to insult me. Try again.
today , me and my co-worker were taking a break at work and got to talking about religion. (i'm currently killing off the da vinci code). and wqe started talking about religion and free will. we came to conclusion that religion is to guide one's daily life with the condition that noone can say when the day of judgement was to come and such through nostradamus various religions and their commandments et al.
free will lets me get tattoos drink moderately smoke more than i should(that's another matter) and live as on the ledge while not losing my center. religion which i said i don't practice for the guilt trip they confer: deadly sins from the negative commandments (the jews have 365 negative to 248 positive, christians have ten, yet the whole world has seven fron noah after the flood which come from the code of this guy in the bynzantine empire i think). so i left the topic.
as serious as i need to know who and what i'm dealing with to learn the why's and where's that are pertinent to the relationship between me and them. yes to a certain extent.
I like ho you refused to addrss the point at hand aqueus. Your rhetoric doesnt match your reality.
So you're saying if I ever see an energetic, optimistic, and rational person I can conclude it is much more likely they are an atheist than a theist?Quote:
Originally Posted by My First Timbs
I don't think so. If you're saying if I see two energetic, optimistic, and rational people and one is more than the other, then it is most likely the person who is more than the other is an atheist, I don't really buy that either. I don't see how your beliefs can directly represent your personality. There are people of all sorts who believe the same thing. I know of really pissed off people and really happy people who are atheists.
Correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aqua Luna
Also known as Muslims and Muslim sons.
peace god
I posted an answer but went back and read some replies and saw the fruitlessness in it. Just read some of my other posts if you want my reply.Quote:
Originally Posted by ~GENERAL_WISE~
Peace
I don't want to start an argument but all of my research points to the genesis of woman around the Mt. Kilimanjaro area, not Asia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aqua Luna
Peace
Not to mention the plethora of versions since the Book of Coming Forth by Day and By Night, one of the first "salvation" texts. But as far as the Bible, everyone that says that they love the Bible needs to read this Book:Quote:
Originally Posted by My First Timbs
http://www.africawithin.com/jochanna...logy_small.jpg
http://www.africawithin.com/jochannan/drben_bible_chronology.htm
Peace
i think u misunderstood what i was sayingQuote:
Originally Posted by Koolish
not all happy optimistic people are atheists
what im saying is that the majority of ATHEISTS are happy energetic optimistic people who truly feel that they are lacking nothing in life and truly care about the betterment of our species.
so if in your travels u meet a happy energetic optmistic non arrogant person, they could be of any philosophical stance..
but if by chance u run into an atheist... chances are they do have those qualities.