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the popularity of football started in england, we first made it commercial worldwide.
only an american would moan about the most successful and best league in the world.
talking about money? oh yeah, the richest club in the world (Man City)... theyre doing well at the moment... ? arent they?
^word. There was a buzz about them buying all these good players, and then nothing. One nill for the Irons.
Anyway, people are always complaining about how english teams got money, but its mostly jealousy, cause english teams rule the Champions League, and cause the Premiership is the best league, thats all. Im french, and I realize its the best, Im not gonna moan about why dont the OM wins the Champions League again, I just know they aint good enough to win it.
^Well said, and I agree with Tage.
In my opinion the Premier League is miles ahead of any other league
As demonstated last night by the demise of the mighty Real Madrid.
And Liverpool failing to win the league in a long time shows how good the league is
Look at it this way if the 2nd/3rd/4th best team whatever you wanna call Liverpool
Can own and school Real Madrid as easy as that...
Then I'm sorry, but Spanish Football is lightyears behind the Premier League.
If we can beat Barcelona & Real Madrid and we haven't won our league in ages
What does that tell you ?
The fact is the Premier League is just too competitive.
Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal & Liverpool have proved this in the Champions League
But now you have teams like Aston Villa & Everton breaking through.
I belive other league's in Europe just don't offer this amount of quality or hunger
Not saying every other league in Europe is like the Scottish Premier or nothing like that
With only 2 teams going fro the tittle every season, but not that far off it.
To me this proves that the Premiership is the best league in the world
And reason why the English teams are dominating the Champions League.
Money is a cause but thats not the teams fault, and being an American...
You know how much silly money gets thrown around in sport in general anyway.
It's unfair to point the finger at the Premier League like it's the only one to do this
It's simply a sign of the times.
The English league was in a lucky situation. It was the most marketable league because it's from an English speak background, so it was always going to appeal to atleast 75% of the world and the US market. Could you crack the US market with a German, French or Italian league? No. Probably not even La Liga.
And, for the most dominating league in the Champions league? Well, three times Champions since readmittence sort of tells otherwise, doesn't it? Only one UEFA cup too if memory serves correct. Are we forgetting it was only two years ago where Milan crushed Man U in a semi final and completely dominated Liverpool in the final?
Let's not forget about the lack of English talent aswell, and you can't deny it. Milan had the same amount of Italians in their 2007 CL final squad as there were English players IN TOTAL in last years final. The best league in the world can't even produce a quality English goalkeeper? C'mon now, don't give me Calamity James either. Didn't England play a friendly with a League One goalkeeper on the bench?
Facts need to be faced, Football League have sacrificed a lot for the £1bn TV rights deal and it's not exactly a superior product from that which was delivered from the mid 90's to the early 2000's.
And how many of you genuinely watch other leagues? If you do, there is no way you can say the product of the EPL is the most superior in the world when it isn't the most superior in Europe.
has anyone else noticed/wondered why there is a strange australian guy posting in the football thread?
anyway, EPL isnt miles ahed of any other league apart from money and 4 teams.
The rest of the EPL is pretty shite, alot of average players, who are only there because of their size or stamina.
Seria a and la liga are still WAAAAAY ahead in terms of talent and skill.
Which is more important to me. I dont care how "fast" a game is.
Î dont think you ever had to go through a PSG-OM man, and its the good game too, I aint talkin about Auxerres-Toulouse, ending 0-0 every time. There only are 3 teams I enjoy watching, Lyon, Saint Etienne(not every season tho), and sometimes the OM. But trust me, the Premiership is way way more interesting than the french league. The Premiership is the most superior league in the world, theres no discussion, its a fact.
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Originally Posted by GHOSTLACED
Superior in marketing attraction, yes. And yeah, I don't know why I named Ligue 1. It hasn't been quality since about 1997. Not sure why I did that, tbh. And, let's face it, if I want to watch French football (which I usually don't) I'll just watch the EPL anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by DirtMcGirt
But the point about SuperLiga, Bundesliga and La Liga being better to watch stands, most because both teams attempt to play football.
Like I said before, not saying the EPL is shit. It's still a wonderful league, just, for those without a team it can be painful to watch.
what?Quote:
Originally Posted by BONERFARM JERKERWRISTS
whos dick do you have?
are you gay?
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Originally Posted by BONERFARM JERKERWRISTS
I don't think America are really that interested.
And in all honesty what are you talking about ?
Football is football...languge has nothing to do with it,
If you like watching football then thats what it is
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As for domintating the Champions League I was talkng about this actual tournament now.
Liverpool back to back finals was it ?
I honstly can't remember.
And if the game in Milan between Man U and Inter is anything to go by
The tables have turned have they not ?
They were outclassed...and I'm not a Man U fan, I don't even like them much
But did they not completly own Roma...7-1
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I'll admitt the English team and the way it's run and compiled is a joke.
But talent is the wrong word, it's all about working as a unit
And of course the influx of foriegn players has added to the league's credentials
But not to the England team.
Never the less England are doing alright at the moment.
Loads of sides in the Premiership are full of English players still ?
Last night Liverpool had more Spanish players than Real Madrid.
Have you heard of Ben Foster ?
I assume thats who your talking about league one goalkeeper ?
He is an amazing goalkeeper.
And you obviously don't know about Robert Green
I've never rated Davis James...never.
I watch it when I can, but I don't have Sky.Quote:
Originally Posted by BONERFARM JERKERWRISTS
But as a league :
I have no doubt that the Englsih Premiership is by far the best league in the world.
language has nothing to do with.
Inter Milan have no italian players (apart from Santon) in their team.
Arsenal have no english players (apart from walcott)
Barca and Real are similar but not as much.
Er, it's not that hard to understand. Which league do you think Rupert Murdoch would get more out of? The old Football League or La Liga? I'm not quite sure how you don't get it, the Football League was part of Rupert Murdoch's master plan. He needed something to sell his cable tv with and the Football League was that. Nowhere in the world can you watch the EPL now without buying subscription television. That's where it has everything to do with language because the Football League was ALWAYS the most marketable league because it was aimed at the majority of the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by whers
If the Saudi Arabian league was just as good as the old First Division, which would you be able to sell to the world?
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But as a league...
I have no doubts that the Englsih Premiership is by far the best league in the world.
Based on what? Qualit of matches? Goals scored? The EPL lacks in both.
No, it wasn't.Quote:
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Amazing? You're going a bit far there.Quote:
Have you heard of Ben Foster ?
I assume thats who your talking about league one goalkeeper ?
He is an amazing goalkeeper.
And you obviously don't know about Robert Green
I've never rated Davis James...never.
If people like watching Football I'd say either.Quote:
Originally Posted by BONERFARM JERKERWRISTS
But given the locations I'd say the old First Division.
But I'm really not interested in that side of the game.
We were talking about Leagues and how good they are compared to eachother
I know nothing about the money side of it, nor do I want to.
Thats something that you can't blame the Premiership for...being English
Because we speak...English.
Nothing to do with Football.
The fact that for the last whatever seasonsQuote:
Originally Posted by BONERFARM JERKERWRISTS
There has been a very strong presnce from the English sides in the Champions League
The fact that other teams get owned in the Champions League.
Chelsea and Man U were in the Champions League final.
(you yourself said Real were going to Rape Liverpool)
The pace of the game is rapid, the teams you play are all difficult opponents
Anyone can beat anyone. The goal of the month competion.
The fact that English teams can play both beautiful football
And the blood swet and tears version.
Even with so much money in it, it's not just a 2 horse race to see who will win the league.
And the added wave of teams comming though is good news.
It's just tighter in every sense of the word.
Although like I said, I don't see enough of the other leagues
To compare them so closely with our league. I'm just giving my opinion from what I do see.
But if the Champions League is anything to go by...
English football is really entertaining even if you dont have a team to support, they play to score, and they play fast, I mean every player want to go to the Premiership, and its not because of the money, its because of even if you're not in a great team, you're still gonna play against the best players in the world. As Cantona said :"Id rather play with the worst at the best league, than with the best in a bad league".
Yeah, Robert Green is a wonderful goalkeeper, so glad we have him, he really is a huge part in the good season West Ham are having.
I was making the point in response to what Tage said and how the EPL got to where it is. Not my fault you butted in without reading.Quote:
Originally Posted by whers
There was a strong presence from Spanish teams earlier in the decade and Italian teams in the middle of the decade.Quote:
There has been a very strong presnce from the English sides in the Champions League
By your reckoning, Bundesliga > Europe. Bayern have practically raped every team we have come across bar one match.Quote:
The fact that other teams get owned in the Champions League.
First time ever it happened, aswell. And I make no apologies for an opinion, either.Quote:
Chelsea and Man U were in the Champions League final.
(you yourself said Real were going to Rape Liverpool)
West Brom have been a massive hurdle this year, just like Derby County last year.Quote:
The pace of the game is rapid, the teams you play are all difficult opponents
No, anybody can't beat anybody and it's been proven. If this were so, Man U would have lost about 6 matches by now. An example of Anybody can beat Anybody would be the Bundesliga, where first place has lost 5 games and only 29 points separate first from last, compared to 43 in the EPL.Quote:
Anyone can beat anyone.
Every league has that :?Quote:
The goal of the month competion.
The last EPL game to showcase the beautiful game was a long time agoQuote:
The fact that English teams can play both beautiful football
And the blood swet and tears version.
It's a one horse raceQuote:
Even with so much money in it, It's not just a 2 horse race to see who will win the league.
They're all canon fodder.Quote:
And the added wave of teams comming though is good news.
It's just tighter in every sense of the word.
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But if the Champions League is anything to go by...
Since when was the champions league the benchmark though?
fuck me... you people are going at it in here huh... it was an interesting read.
LOL @ Lyon getting slaughtered.
^^^^4:1. I'll wait until the game ends, anything can happen against Lyon haha.
And the ManU : Inter game is turning out to be a classic, but Inter sadly for me won't score.
Man U scoring early was the best thing that could have happened to this game. Ibrahimovic should have scored.
Unlucky for Man U aswell, anybody but O'Shea would have put it past Julio Cesar. But from a neutral point it's good he missed, keeps the game alive since 2-0 would have killed it.
WHAT A FUCKING GAME....Adriano, then Rooney, then Berbatov.....
Like I said....a classic.
And they didn't even score :D hahahhaha
Poor Inter.
Crossbar
Post
Side netting
Everything but score.
ah fuck it. It's their fault actually, plus I don't trust Balotelli at important matches like this.
Peechka.
BTW, it's going to be a great Special One TV episode.....be champions!
Haha maybe it's all in the Special One's plan
"Second leg, 90th minute"
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Originally Posted by wera
yeah, he will say that Fergusson is going after this year and that himself has still enuff years to win at least 10 Champions Leagues. U kno, they respect eachother.
He is going to be furious at Gallas if Arsenal goes through haha
Inter choked again, really they jus dnt have the edge to win big games. i really thought Jose could give it to them. but his message obviously didnt get across.
It's obvious to me why Inter lost. Jose wasn't wearing the special scarf!
yeah man, it's almost spring here, no scarf allowed anymore!
I thought Quaresma and Mancini are going to be those two players creating the new era of Inter.....well, more wrong I couldn't be...
wtf @barcelona
What do you mean wtf@barca? They thrashed Lyon
I hope we play Man U, Liverpool, Chel$ki or Barca because then we'll be on SBS Live and I won't have to watch the diabolical coverage that is ESPN. Truely terrible coverage.
I had a joke with a friend that we'd make the final with Man U on some 10 year rematch shit. It's looking good so far.
i've been saying it for a minute. jose` is nothing special as a coach. good, but "the special one" is mightely over doing it.
back to the debate about the english teams only being good on the european stage because of its cash influx.
everyone that replied totally neglected the stone cold fact i brought up.
before the cash influx in the middle of this decade LOOK AT ENGLISH TEAMS RECORD IN THE CL. They had won 1 trophy. Man U in 99, the product of a great youth system I give them much credit for. But that is it. There was only 1 other team in the final and that was liverpool in 1985.
Cash started to flow into england in about 2004. so ill set the cut off there, 84-04, modern football as we know it. In that time span here are the stats for the other european leagues.
Italy had 7 winners and 8 runners up between milan, juve, roma, and sampdoria.
Spain had 5 winners and 5 runners up between barca, real, and valencia.
Germany had 2 winners and 3 runners up between munich, dortmund, and leverkusen.
Portugal had 2 winners and 2 runners up between porto and benfica.
Holland had 2 winners and 1 runner up between ajax and eindhoven.
France had 1 winner and 2 runner up between om and monaco.
Russia had 1 winner with redstar.
The record doesn't lie. The english league is sandwiched between the french and russian league in terms of european success. That is how we measure football teams against each other. They play each other, what better gage. And we all know how strong those two leagues are...
Since the cash influx english teams have made 5 finals and won 2 since. I dont see that as a coinsodence. Am I jealous english teams are winning? No, they have good players, the teams with the best players win. But the only reason why is because they got foriegn oweners to come in with billions to buy all that talent.
Bringing in Man city to this aurgument is irrelevant. Yes they are rich, but its only been half a year, they were just another shitty english club before that. It does take a bit of time to recruit world class players and develope a team. How are they supposed to win the CL without even being in it? Talk to me in 4 to 5 years and see how they are doing, my guess is, it will be much better than mid table.
Everyone likes to rep their own league, hence why I picked 3 italian teams to move on vs. the three english. Picking with my heart and not with my head, which is what most people who are aruging for the english league pre 04/cash is doing.
You've got a lot of information wrong. For starters, Red Star is a Serbian team, not Russian.
You're also forgetting the European ban on English clubs following Heysel. Liverpool would easily have continued to dominate the rest of the 80's and missed out on three subsequent European Cup campaigns out of 5 year ban and 1 year extra.
Cash has also been flowing in ever since the introduction of the newly formed EPL. I don't know where you got that information from that it only started in 2004. They didn't all of a sudden go from no money to a 1bn deal. It had been a steady increase for 13 years prior to 2004. For instance, Bayern's UEFA Cup winning team of 95 basically got bought out to English clubs such as Tottenham and Liverpool because we couldn't compete with wage offers.
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russian, serbian, do i care? eastern europe is close enough. doesnt change the point.
so that gives england a 5 year buffer. what was the excuse after that?
bayern sold most of their team after 1995 yet bayern still went to two champions league finals before ALL english teams could even get to 2 finals before 2005.
cash may have been flowing. but that was nothing compaired to BILLIONARE owners. big difference.
Like Silvio Berlusconi?Quote:
Originally Posted by whitey
yes berlusconi is a billionare.
however milan conduct business like scrooge mcduck.
No, Milan basically bought all their success from '86 onwards. They were a nothing team when Berlusconi got involved and were actually genuinely relegated the second time. They hadn't won the league for nearly 10 years. 20 years between European cups. They won two European Cups in the absence of English teams aswell.
Pretty hypocritical to mention billionaire owners and nothing success with English clubs when Milan would be nothing more than a mid league memory if it weren't for the Berlusconi billions and the acquisitions of the Dutch and then all their corruption later on.
that is not the crux of the matter. because milan is my squad does not disprove my argument.
fact remains english teams had as much chance to win as every other one of those teams for those years. milan did not win every year. and barring the spending on some dutch players most of the team was home grown italians. numerous other teams i mentioned won cups while english teams did not. where was belgrads billionar owner? valencia? munich? sampdoria? leverkussen? porto? ect.
Well, I don't believe the Champions League is a factor when determining the best of the best. It's too much of a lottery played over an uneven time.
Man Utd vs Inter - what a fucking classic, one of the best games I've seen this season.