Originally Posted by
ForensikZ
like i said bro im not mad at it. Its your opinion. Its the blanket statements like “its not popular , noone listens to it” (not you i know) that had me going in that direction. It was popular enough to get ghost on billboards top 10 mcs and have them do retro revisits on how it was made like old classics. I know not everyone here from america but there were few if any ughh meets DEF JAM street/pop sensibility type records of its caliber.
im a huge fan of immobilarity too. Half the album is fire imo and some or raes best solo work (sneakers, casablanca,100’rounds, live from ny, real life) rza beats or not.
but golden arms?… ehhhhhhhhh… handful of FIRE. Handful of good. Enough trash you gotta make two tripsmto the garbage can. Imo of course :). But like immob… the strong tracks were REALLY strong
i coild see if someone might not rock with whole album. But whip me, ragu, kilo, underwater, shakeydog , the champ are just total fire imo.
im not tryna shit on anyones opinions, just dig deeper on the actual art while we all here, to discuss it instead of saying “eh. Mediocre” and not saying why. I think we all want sc2 to be fire. I just feel so many of us expect different thingsi wan a know what people wanna hear
Half my critique wasnt even about noels. But you say dont take it seriously and then rattle same exact shit soooo
ob4cl2 hype was IN PART…. Built up off fishscales success. Yes it had buzz. But it was ghost crushing that made people go ok maybe this will be something. Similar prod team, Dilla, pete rock, moss… all on cl2… “return” to ughh aesthetic, wus reach into ughh from the pop albums of tical0/lex/ptoney, etc…
cl2 and fs are both 4/4.5 mic albums / potential 5s with the cut material. (Add grandmasters to make my top 3 post 2000 wu) Neither album blows the other away. Both are the LAST great pieces of work they gave us. Both albums are rated EQUALLY online and have the same metacritic score. Yet fishscsle got billboard doing “15 year anniversary classic” revisits and had a REAL single with radioplay on def jam with most popular rap artist in the world.
It was hyped over fishscsle… because it was CUBAN LINX 2… not “raekwon 4th solo”. If you look up the word classic with both you will see fishscale articles not cl2.
Btw… cl2 is MY FAVORITE post prime wu album… but for years elsewhere ive been challenged over it being better thsn fs. Regularly. So no i dont believe it blowiny out fs on anything. They are about equal in all regards, which is why def jam rushed to release records after both (more fish/ wu massacre)
so shakeydog isnt good because anothersong used same sample? Welcome to wutang. Rza used the same samples 3-4x on classics. If a beat is dope. Its dope. I dont put arbitrary rules on shit. Idk if ya noticed… but both new sc2 songs use 2 old ghost samples.
i mean your shitting on fs for reusing beats and samples…. And hypinh cl2???? Uhhh
pete rock put out the sonnys missing beat on his solo same year rae used it
the dilla beats had been floating on dilla beat tapes for years
canal street… been used half a dozen times atp. Fat joe i beleive had a hit with it
some of the best tracks were years old on it when we heard it.
what about gza? He used the same sample on two diff albums… and they were like singles lol. Stay in line and the car song. THAT was lazy. Not the shakeydog sample being replayed om 2 totally diff dope beats.
so no idgaf if ghost wanted used doom beats because its GHOST and DOOM… 2 legends built for each other. Old or not. Tell me WHY. Beyond “beats old”. Ghosts pen was moving with doom. Thats what i care about.
calling bpw and ptoney wack while hyping gza discog with legend of the ls and pro tools is… your opinion lol bpw is not wack. At all. Neither is pretty toney. Both albums best songs BLOW those gza albums out (and i love lifes a movie, alphabets, stay in line, animal planet). But they aint touching HOLLA the watch underwater whip me etc. again. Imo.
Both albums cut to death i dont judge artists based on financial fuckups of the label if music exists thats fire but not used. Bpw and p toney are light fun wu albums. The best ones. I know pop sensibility irks you guys but relax a lil and have some fun.
worst songs on cl2 are not better than worst of fs. Those BT songs were wack. Im not not huge fsn of jellyfish or family affair either on fs but im not gon shit on it for “being redundent” in thread where we asking for all those styles on sc2
