U-God vs RZA: U-God is in the right, RZA is in the wrong

I think Deck came to understand the amount of actual work, stress, research and planning RZA had to put into everything - and he did it for more than a dozen adults if you count side projects - adults that could barely manage themselves much less make 20 other people successful. Deck was able to put in the work, learn production and make a career outside of Wu on his own.

Uey has zero marketing and PR skills (hence why RZA pointed out nobody else would sign him). Meth used to laugh at his interviewing skills.

The fact RZA even kept money in U's pockets after the law suits and defamation is amazing actually. I doubt I'd be able to do it.

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Originally Posted by Mumm Ra

I think Deck came to understand the amount of actual work, stress, research and planning RZA had to put into everything - and he did it for more than a dozen adults if you count side projects - adults that could barely manage themselves much less make 20 other people successful. Deck was able to put in the work, learn production and make a career outside of Wu on his own.

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This can not be stressed enough. I know a few people who have done artist management, tours, and events. That is no fucking joke. Let alone managing a group of nine individuals who are wildin' out constantly. Now, I have seen the chaos this bring nowadays, imagine that pre cellphone. Or it is sort of just taking hold.

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Originally Posted by Mumm Ra

Uey has zero marketing and PR skills (hence why RZA pointed out nobody else would sign him). Meth used to laugh at his interviewing skills.

The fact RZA even kept money in U's pockets after the law suits and defamation is amazing actually. I doubt I'd be able to do it.

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No? Thnk some bonds form, and you go hed to head on a level where you keep forgiving each other. But Uey was foul for a moment around 2008. Though, if you see someone do that, and they still sort of not getting the success you'd give them. I think you understand.
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The same bullshit every time. "Cap is ungrateful" "Rae is ungrateful" ODB was ungrateful"

Sorry but y'all sound like stans for RZA. Dude is kind of a cult leader. Legit 5 other members saying the same thing about him taking advantage of them and being a control freak who's sabotaged the lasr 3 or 4 albums. "But the first two are classic!" It gets old bringing up what he did for them 30 years ago. As if RZA did everything. RZA needed each one of them to get out of the hood because he was a flop solo act. And they did more for RZA then just rap. They put in money. If you read the damn book, you'd learn Ghost, Meth, Rae, U-God and Deck did most of the publicity during the 1st era while RZA,GZA and ODB did their solo projects. These dudes were a rap crew before RZA. And RZA did not create Wu Tang or the concept. Ghost did. RZA turned it into a business and his family did all the management. Its naive af thinking RZA does everything. And how many damn members have said the management is shit? Because they aren't 20 year olds from the ghetto now. But they're still treated that way by RZA, a multimillionaire off their collective work. Shit is annoying hearing "RZA did everything. The others were 9 lazy ghetto bums" Gtfo. They were all hustlers. RZA helped them make bread legally and thats great of him. Doesn't give his rights to jerk them financially for the rest of their lives.

Y'all say the same tired shit thats been said for 30 years because RZA's narrative is the only thing thats been put out. So I get it. Can't buy any of it myself after getting multiple different stories. 1 interview of Deck being forgiving and humble doesn't erase all the other members saying RZA is dishonest and controlling. RZA's fictional ass show has really poisoned fan perspective. What about Killah Priest? Shabazz the Disciple? Thea Van Seijen?

And I love RZA as an artist. He is the most responsible for their EARLY success. But they've held down the Wu brand more than he has for the last 25 years and gotten even less from it. Hate this corny shit that they would be nothing without RZA when its RZA who can't do anything successfully on his own without using the Wu brand. The nigga's career was dead until he made the lion's share of a mill off a bullshit fake album he tricked the group to record. And didn't give them anything.

And when I say RZA is most responsible, I mean he put in more work than other individuals. But he did not do more work than they gave as a group. Absurd.

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Originally Posted by Sam the Seed

In U-God's own words, he said they squashed your project as soon as they found out what you did. Point is (and everybody knows it ) that you told them it was a compilation but it was always a group album without their knowledge. Them shooting it down is why it was auctioned.

Are you going to change your story of the last 10 years and claim you always knew it was a going to be auctioned?

And concerning Deck, he was one of if not the first member to sue Wu Records because they wouldn't let him out of his deal.

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U-God wasn't aware of an auction or a commercial sale or if it was a mixtape or whatever. He didn't really care during the recodings. And at the time when the call went out to discuss the concept, U-God didn't answer the call because of some weird reasons his manager claimed applied to everyone, not just me. So at no point of time did he squash anything. And why would they "shoot it down" first, but then allow it to be auctioned off ?

You make no sense.

Not talking about these 2 guys ^, but too many fans believe RZA's bullshit marketing fantasy that he's some self-taught genius producer who took a bunch of broke mediocre rapping thugs who hated each other, gave them a kung fu gimmick, taught them how to be 5 Percenters and then held their hands for 5 years and made them all millionaires.

RZA was a flop DJ/rapper who Prince Paul taught how to be a great producer. The Clan were already rapping together and friends who were successful at hustling and grew up in 5 Percenter teaching. RZA would let them hang out in his basement so no one would rob him. RZA learned from GZA's failure at Cold Chillin how they pimped him. They signed him to their label and then leased him to a bigger label. Thats exactly what Wu Tang records did to the Wu members except RZA and GZA. Even ODB. So stop this nonsense that RZA did so much for them. He trapped them in bad deals so he and his family could get the most from their work. Yeah they got paid and got to see the world. Same shit record labels do to all their artists. But they had no freedom over their own career and no input in the group albums. They each had to fight RZA legally to get out of these slave contracts, Deck foremost. So don't shit on U-God for not being Deck because he was signed to Wu records and that was RZA's choice. And its retarded to blame U-God for his album under-performing if RZA didn't put any production on it and put it out after he watered down the Wu brand with spin-off projects. It is god damn stupid & selfish to put out official members after your own family who no one has heard of.

How can anyone say RZA and GZA got exploited as solo artists and then defend RZA doing the same exact thing to his so-called childhood homeys? Problem is y'all have no street experience.

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Originally Posted by Cilvaringz

U-God wasn't aware of an auction or a commercial sale or if it was a mixtape or whatever. He didn't really care during the recodings. And at the time when the call went out to discuss the concept, U-God didn't answer the call because of some weird reasons his manager claimed applied to everyone, not just me. So at no point of time did he squash anything. And why would they "shoot it down" first, but then allow it to be auctioned off ?

You make no sense.

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You're playing games. You know there was nothing legally the group could do to stop you auctioning it as "personal artwork". But you know they would block you legally or bash you publicly for selling a Wu album to a label they didn't even know they were recording. You're putting it on U-God. What about Meth?

Don't you fucking get it? Even if U-God didn't know what the project was, thats ON YOU to communicate it instead of exploiting artists. You got Wu Tang members rapping on what they didn't even know would become a Wu album. They didn't give what they would to a real Wu album, so if they looked bad and damage their brand, its your fault. And RZA's if he was involved. You hustled these dudes, gave them crumbs & because they stood up and wanted compensation, you & RZA made a lick off it, giving them nothing but bad publicity.

So you think what happened is that i hustled dudes, tried to sell the album to a record label, no label wanted it because the Clan found out and they blocked me and the labels I was talking to, then conjured up a single copy concept as a loophole, got RZA on board, and went to Forbes to announce it as a private personal work of art without telling the Clan a damn thing and that's that. That's the version you believe?

Everyone is missing the bigger picture here; the saga will always continue, regardless of whom or what…
After U-God and RZA - The Settlement, lookout for U-God and Cilvaringz - The Resentment.

Sam r u gonna let any post that’s not U-God was fucked over, RZA’s a snake, slide in this thread? I thought the general consensus for a couple years now has been RZA and divine did some shady business with Wu management toward the end of the 90’s and that was fucked, and I don’t think anyone would argue that. Like you’ve said, there’s several other members on the record saying the same thing, obviously RZA bullshitted these guys.

That doesn’t mean U-God hasn’t been on the record stretching the truth before and I think people taking his word with a grain of salt is fair. Did he get fucked over? Yes. Is he still holding onto it over 20 years later, holding other people responsible for stuff he could’ve taken control over? I t think so

I am a bit of a rza Stan so prolly not who u wanna hear from anyway

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Originally Posted by Jet Set

This can not be stressed enough. I know a few people who have done artist management, tours, and events. That is no fucking joke. Let alone managing a group of nine .
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And I’m not even talking about artist management - I just mean I barely know many people that can keep their own head above water very well lol. Most people criticizing him on an Internet forum couldn’t manage a coffee shop, much less what RZA has - but feel qualified to judge him. Uey couldn’t even when given millions and RZA started with nothing.

Uey would’ve been a lesser known Rev William
Burke if not born at the right time, and Rev even has the nerve to diss RZA

Reverend William Burk caused his own undoing, he started feeling himself too much and got overconfident.. He would be better off just signing to some fellow Killa Bee, Bronze Nazareth and Dom Pachino are good at consistently pumping out material. Perhaps he could sign with one of them.

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Originally Posted by David Daniel Davis

Reverend William Burk caused his own undoing, he started feeling himself too much and got overconfident.. He would be better off just signing to some fellow Killa Bee, Bronze Nazareth and Dom Pachino are good at consistently pumping out material. Perhaps he could sign with one of them.

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Is it that he got overconfident? Or that he was lazy and expected everything to come to him?

This dude has had so many opportunities and still can't put together anything near what you would call a rap-career... isn't dude related to Oprah? Was on her label for a time? Dude was working with R. Kelly for a period of time. Been working with RZA for years, had several prominent placements on high profile soundtracks, etc. and still can't get it together enough to even put out a legit solo. I'm not counting that Insurrection album he dropped in 2001, as that was before he started working with RZA (although he does thank Killa Sin, 4th disciple and Shogun Assasson in the liner notes)

I know there's a long list of RZA-protege's that never released albums and such... but this dude literally had at least an album worth of material up on his youtube all produced by and featuring RZA. And you can't get your shit together to get something ready to release?!


But don't worry... our friendly wu-neighbourhood bootlegger Shaka Amazulu will always hold us down... I'm pretty sure he just ripped those joints straight from youtube and pressed them to CD for all us wu-stans to pay $30 for a CDR or $100 for a vinyl!! FFS!


Peace!

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Originally Posted by bluntedmecha

Sam r u gonna let any post that’s not U-God was fucked over, RZA’s a snake, slide in this thread? I thought the general consensus for a couple years now has been RZA and divine did some shady business with Wu management toward the end of the 90’s and that was fucked, and I don’t think anyone would argue that. Like you’ve said, there’s several other members on the record saying the same thing, obviously RZA bullshitted these guys.

That doesn’t mean U-God hasn’t been on the record stretching the truth before and I think people taking his word with a grain of salt is fair. Did he get fucked over? Yes. Is he still holding onto it over 20 years later, holding other people responsible for stuff he could’ve taken control over? I t think so

I am a bit of a rza Stan so prolly not who u wanna hear from anyway

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Months ago or a year ago I was apologizing to Cilvaringz because I thought U-God was overreacting. Then I saw lots of praise for OUATIS and a lot of U-God bashing since then. Watching "Of Mics and Men" and reading U-God's book gave me a way better picture of what went down and that RZA and Cilvaringz are in the wrong and various members have a legit beef. I wanted to post my agreement and retract my stance.

All the Wu members are hustlers who will say whatever to protect them from looking like shitbags. I just want evidence U-God is lying when it comes to RZA. Because I find RZA blowing smoke way too much and getting endless passes for it. Its such a bootlicker non-argument "He did so much for these guys" and doesn't dispute anything the Wu says about him. RZA tells the most tall tales out of anyone in the group, but I know RZA will always have the most hardcore Stans. So I feel like I gotta give credence to U-God as the group's biggest underdog. It also makes more sense. We KNOW the album got blocked by members.

To Cilvaringz: Bro, you only dispute that very specific chain of events. Thats lets me know there's truth to it. Maybe you didn't get as far as shopping it around... because Wu stopped you and threatened you. RZA prolly stepped in as peacemaker and said it could work for everyone. I'm not even mad at your ass. Its RZA breaking off a huge mint and giving nothing to his lifelong boys that is fucking embarrassing. What you did was way less shady but still cowardly.

Dude... I called everyone to tell them the one copy idea. Rae mentions me calling everyone a few times in various interviews that were filmed on video. The only ones not coming to the phone was Meth who got the message through his manager who said he'd call me if there was opposition (Meth later said he liked the idea a few times, called it genius, but really didn't like the 88 years thing), Cappa whose number noone could find at the moment and U-God whose direct home and mobile number I had but wasn't picking up on anybody due some weird reason his manager related to me at the time which sounded like a private matter. Other than that, everyone else I spoke to personally, all were aware, the absolute majority loved the idea, and absolutely zero people blocked it, attempted to block it, contemplated blocking it or explored blocking it. Why you think we had a whole year of public support from those who did media rounds that year like Ghost, Rae and Masta Killa ? So where and what is this cowardice you talk about?