Why the hate for the W??

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Originally Posted by blazini36

The ppl on here are psychos, the W was a good album. The olny disappointing Album was Iron Flag

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no one says it is a bad album...


i give it a 7/10, it's a good album but it got weak tracks too

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Originally Posted by Tonystarks420

all im sayen is the W is an ill album with great beats and i think its a classic to me cuz alot of those songs go way back wen i first got into the wu and they changed my mind about music.

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same shit with me.

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Originally Posted by blazini36

The ppl on here are psychos, the W was a good album. The olny disappointing Album was Iron Flag

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i swear i must be the only person that likes iron flag or 8 diagrams. i have no idea why you people still come here if you hate all the music wu has put out for the past 10 years.

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Originally Posted by Art Vandelay

i swear i must be the only person that likes iron flag or 8 diagrams. i have no idea why you people still come here if you hate all the music wu has put out for the past 10 years.

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i like iron flag and 8 diagrams too...

Ghost was just coming off Supreme Clientele so the nigga was still on fire ! Raekwon still had that hypeness in his voice , Masta Killa was spittin that old street hebrew on tracks plus Nas was on the comeback trail with his verse ! Come on niggas THE W was pure crakk and pure hiphop ! OH AND FUCK THE BIG DOE REHAB !

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Originally Posted by the silencer

i hated it at first but i love that shit now..(similar to how i felt with 8D)



they got two similar, almost-psychotic emotional street hymns like Can't go to Sleep and Jah World (there's nothing on 8 Diagrams that comes close to the experimental-ness of Rza's cannon blasts goin throughout Jah World's beat)...

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JAH WORLD is on some deep shit. one of my favorite tracks. ghost makes the song cry, and your right those two tracks are almost identical...using only ghost and rza as mc's if i remember right.

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Originally Posted by Art Vandelay

i think rza made a mistake of putting "Do you really" after "i can't go to sleep."

can't go to sleep is such a slow deep song about social issues of the street, then to start the next song with an up-tempo beat with meth saying "i heard you niggas like to bang bang" was a poor choice of arrangement

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But thats kind of how they followed up Can't it be simple and Tearz.

i been said that was one of the illest albums...

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Originally Posted by the silencer

almost-psychotic emotional street hymns like Can't go to Sleep and Jah World (there's nothing on 8 Diagrams that comes close to the experimental-ness of Rza's cannon blasts goin throughout Jah World's beat)...

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yea man, Cant Goto Sleep is one of the all-time great Wu tracks. And with Jah World, I can put that track, or the instrumental version on and zone the fuck out when im high

RZA's production on "The W" gets it halfway to classic status, beats are unexpected, hard, funny and grimey at the same time. It seems RZA tried to take the different concept-sounds of the early albums ("Enter"-"Ironman") and mix them and change/update em a bit.

The downside to the album is unfortantly the lyrical part from the generals, to me many of them sounds lazy. Trie listening to some shit from Forever and then The W and you'll notice a huge difference in effort they put in when writing the lyrics. If you ask me the only one who really brought it was GZA/Genius, Ghostface and RZA (not saying the others were wack by any means but they just don't sound that inspired).

That's the biggest reason why I personally like 8 Diagrams better, since both production and lyrics was on point. Still I would rate The W slightly over 4/5

8 Diagrams is better than The W and Iron Flag. Better lyrics, better beats, better chemistry.

beatwise its my favorite clan album but lyrically it just doesnt stack up.

raekwon, method man, Gza, and deck bring it, the other members were decent to forgettable.