people who blindly deny conspiracy in america

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Originally Posted by Urban_Journalz

Just because you don't know anyone who feels this way, doesn't mean they aren't there, nor does it mean that maybe they just don't express how they really feel about it, as most people don't like to talk politics. The recent economic crisis may have opened up some people's eyes, but clearly not enough for them to really step forward and demand answers as to why it happened in the first place.

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Fair enough, but it isn't wise for either of us to make blanket statements, which we both kind of did, but i still stand by that most people are, at the very least, questioning the government.

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What you think and what's really going on are two different things. War has always been the greatest business and clearly films like Loose Change, and Farenhieght were completely lost on you.

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i wouldn't say that they were lost on me, it was just that they didn't provide me with enough proof. I don't put anything past the government, but in this case i think they weren't the perpetrators. there were interesting ideas presented, and after seeing both films (and another one, Jersey Girls i think it was called--or something along those lines) i was certainly leaning towards your perspective. but then i looked to other sources, took the argument from both sides, and decided that my beliefs lied where they do. i'm not implying, so you know, that you haven't done this, i'm just trying to let you know where i'm coming from.

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Be that as it may though, you seem to fit quite nicely into that group of people who seems to insist on a rude awakening. Since 9-11 wasn't a conspiracy at all, then where is the wreckage from flight 93? Why aren't there pieces of plane, seats, clothes, luggage, all the usual signs of a plane crash? As for The Pentagon, not only do I ask the same question, but why weren't the names of the people who dies there read along with the rest? What? They didn't matter? Their families o.k.'d this? Or maybe that entire section of the building was vacated beforehand.

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in regards to flight 93, there is wreckage, i could give you links to the pictures if you'd like (i don't know how to put pics in my post, sorry).

now, speaking about the pentagon, you have to consider that this is a plane crashing at full speed into the side of a building. things are going to get broken from the mammoth impact force. there was lots of debris on the site, and how could that have gotten there beforehand, considering that everybody driving past the Pentagon that morning would've caught them red-handed?

to be completely honest, i've never heard from anybody else what you've said regarding that their names weren't read. i'll have to look that up and get back to you.

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Don't bother looking up the $1 Dollar bill, because all you'll probably come back with is something like, "It's just creativity, you're paranoid." and the like. I suppose the statue of George Washington that is also an exact replica to the pose that Baphomet is in, is also all a matter of paranoia and coincidence as well.

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look, i'm not putting anything past the government, as i said. if you show me a substantial amount of evidence, maybe i'll be able to come to a different conclusion.

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So, because people don't die from diabetes, that makes it o.k. to use high fructose corn syrup instead of natural sugar right? Is that it? You're basically saying, "Well Ma'am, as long as your child isn't dead, diabetes isn't all that bad!" Nice one chief. It's still a disease that causes people pain, and in extreme cases, hinders them from doing every day activities. That doesn't mean their trying to kill us and take us over. Well, first of all, most of us are already taken over and statements like that just proved it. Second, if you don't think they're trying to kill us, consider all of the various chemicals that are being put into the livestock, the pesticides that are being sprayed onto the plants, whos poisons soak into the plant itself, so no matter how often you wash them, you still ingest them. Plus, the next time you look up and see what you believe to be a jet-stream, and it lingers WAY longer than a normal one after the plane is gone from sight, you might want to google the term, "chemtrails" and read up on that one as well.

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i know about chemtrails "chief." i don't put that past the government at all, and am completely with you on that one.

regarding the diabetes remark, i wasn't implying that it doesn't cause pain, only that it wasn't "genocide" as you put it. perhaps it was manufactured by the government, perhaps it wasn't. again, i wouldn't be surprised, although at this point i haven't seen enough evidence.

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What makes them money? Seriously?
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Ok, follow me here, you get sick, what do most people do when they get sick. They go to a doctor. That doctor prescribes a drug for them to take that will dull the pain. Mask the symptoms. With the money that you pay for the rest of your life to fill these various prescriptions, multiplied by the number of people with multiple prescriptions, you can pretty much see where all of this is going. The pharmacies aren't in the business of, "finding cures", because there's no fuckin' MONEY in a cure. A cure means that you don't come back to fill any more prescriptions. That's why we're taught to put ultimate faith in what our doctor says, we have to trust what he or she tells us and never question it. Ever wonder why the FDA and Pharmacutical companies attacked homeboy for putting out, "Natural Cures....." and why he had to take out a bulk of his original information during the first publishing? No. Of course you didn't.

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that's the point i was trying to make... guess i worded it poorly.

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The facts are all around you, if you'd bother to look in the right places. Anyone who doesn't know, refuses to know. Seeing as this is, "The Information Age" and the means to weigh one arguement against another are literally at the tips of our fingers.

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i'm not 'refusing' to believe anything. if this NWO or Illuminati or whichever you believe it is, i'd much prefer to know about it and perhaps find somewhat to fight back and/or prevent it. it's just that i haven't received enough information. perhaps you could change that...?

one quick question i'm having while skimming some of that dollar stuff: why would the Illuminati put their signs in the open like this? wouldn't they want things to stay secret and under wraps, rather than blatantly having images of their society all over the place (more specifically that Baphomet thing, which i have to admit is a little creepy)?

sorry to go on this post-festival here.
[QUOTE=neo n tha matrix;1559308Think about it threyev ure one of em[/QUOTE] i'm not saying it's all wrong, i just believe that

a) 9/11 was NOT an inside job
b) the people running the world aren't as organized as Urban thinks. they certainly exist (as illustrated by Jasjit's post) , but in a less formal way. to deny that would be idiotic.

i don't want people to think i'm some government supporter who rejects everything people put out there and only listen to what's being fed to me. i just like to have facts before me, and i really can't get enough concrete evidence in the 9/11 situation and organized New World Order and Illuminati stuff.

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Originally Posted by Threyev

why would the Illuminati put their signs in the open like this? wouldn't they want things to stay secret and under wraps, rather than blatantly having images of their society all over the place (more specifically that Baphomet thing, which i have to admit is a little creepy)?

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Well, signs and symbols are open to interpretation. To the public it may mean one thing, to the insiders something different.

Therefore, it is a good form of communication to insiders without outsiders knowing what it really means.

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Originally Posted by Urban_Journalz

I agree with speak, but at the same time, you have to remember that the main reason why people deny these things, is because they're scared shitless.

I don't think that it's a case of them not believing that it's possible, though some do, but I think it's more a thing of them not being able to handle the truth.

The distractions that the system has put in place to keep the masses pacified, along with the mental conditioning, the spiritual murder, and moral crucifictions that are constantly being thrown at us on a daily basis aren't for nothing.

I've given this example before, but I feel the need to do it again. Anyone recall in the first, "Matrix", when Neo had just been unplugged and he was going through that training simulation with the woman in the red dress? That is one of my favorite scenes because the jewels that Morpheus dropped were so true about our world and it's condition. Namely, when he speaks of the minds of the people who are still plugged in, and tells Neo that these people are so dependent on the system that they will give their lives to defend it.

The very same can be said for the peoples of the world who fully believe, despite all of the evidence proving otherwise, that their govrnments have their best interest at heart.

The funny thing about conspiracies is the fact that a lot of them make perfect sense. I read a lot about them and have said, "Oh shit!" quite often when reading. It's the fact that the information is so unexpected, outlandish and all around evil that keeps people from approaching or believing these, "theories".

Personally, I don't see what's so hard to believe. Excluding blatantly obvious facts like The 9-11 Conspiracy and all of the evidence pointing to the U.S. in terms of whodunnit, the explosives attached to the buildings, no wreckage found in Penn. or D.C. etc, the fact that the images of Uncle Sam and Baphomet are practically identical, the tracing out of streets in D.C. making an upside-down pentagram pointing directly @ The White House, the various symbols of not-so-secret societies that saturate the $1 bill.....let's leave all that out and remember this one very precious truth about evil.....usually.....the best way to hide is right out in public.

The best way to conquer your enemy, is by seeming like a friend.

That's why if you try to tell someone what's really going on, you're met with, "That's impossible! This is the United States! This is a free country! We're all about freedom!" The baby would be horrified if he or she were to turn on the light and find that the hand that fed it was covered in reptilian scales and what should've been milk was really cyanide and kool-aid. So, most people choose to stay in the dark.

It is that group of people that is the majority though. Personally, I know that the world's governments are full of shit and conducting a silent (for now) genocide on the people and not a living ass can tell me otherwise. There's no other reason to use high fructose corn syrup in most ready-to-eat products, even some you wouldn't expect, like, "Total" and "Wheaties", instead of using natural sugar, or NO sweeteners at all in the case of the two above-mentioned products, unless you KNOW that when this shit bypasses the pancreas too often, the pancreas will shut down all together. It's a great war tactic if you really think about it, plus it saves you money to build more weapons of mass destruction. Don't even get me started on the poisons in fast food and it's availability to the masses either. Yet people still scratch their heads and wonder why 11 and 12 yr. old kids are poppin' up with shit like diabetes.

Real knowledge in itself is heavy shit. Scary, powerful and unsettling on some level. Even the truest of men will at some point want to throw up. Still, I don't get too angry at the people who choose to walk around with their eyes wide shut, because the truth is like death, no matter how hard or how fast you run, in the end, it will hunt you down and make the kill.


The knowledge of conspiracy is like all other knowledge worth gaining. It takes a while to put the pieces together and once put together, you're faced with the, "what next", decision. In between those two stages though, there's a point where a great fear comes over you. No enemy worth conquering is going to be a pushover, but these faggots aren't exactly immortals either, now are they?

So, for the people who want to take the, "What are YOU going to do about it, if it IS true??" standpoint, all I can tell you pendejo, it's a surprise.*(:)

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pure truth

People who believe in every conspiracy they hear of or read are just as blind as the people who blindly deny all of them.

They are part of the same group just on opposite ends of that same group.

Both are bull-headed stubborn fucking morons. Extremists. ONly able to see things one way.

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Originally Posted by Urban_Journalz

I agree with speak, but at the same time, you have to remember that the main reason why people deny these things, is because they're scared shitless.

I don't think that it's a case of them not believing that it's possible, though some do, but I think it's more a thing of them not being able to handle the truth.

The distractions that the system has put in place to keep the masses pacified, along with the mental conditioning, the spiritual murder, and moral crucifictions that are constantly being thrown at us on a daily basis aren't for nothing.

I've given this example before, but I feel the need to do it again. Anyone recall in the first, "Matrix", when Neo had just been unplugged and he was going through that training simulation with the woman in the red dress? That is one of my favorite scenes because the jewels that Morpheus dropped were so true about our world and it's condition. Namely, when he speaks of the minds of the people who are still plugged in, and tells Neo that these people are so dependent on the system that they will give their lives to defend it.

The very same can be said for the peoples of the world who fully believe, despite all of the evidence proving otherwise, that their govrnments have their best interest at heart.

The funny thing about conspiracies is the fact that a lot of them make perfect sense. I read a lot about them and have said, "Oh shit!" quite often when reading. It's the fact that the information is so unexpected, outlandish and all around evil that keeps people from approaching or believing these, "theories".

Personally, I don't see what's so hard to believe. Excluding blatantly obvious facts like The 9-11 Conspiracy and all of the evidence pointing to the U.S. in terms of whodunnit, the explosives attached to the buildings, no wreckage found in Penn. or D.C. etc, the fact that the images of Uncle Sam and Baphomet are practically identical, the tracing out of streets in D.C. making an upside-down pentagram pointing directly @ The White House, the various symbols of not-so-secret societies that saturate the $1 bill.....let's leave all that out and remember this one very precious truth about evil.....usually.....the best way to hide is right out in public.

The best way to conquer your enemy, is by seeming like a friend.

That's why if you try to tell someone what's really going on, you're met with, "That's impossible! This is the United States! This is a free country! We're all about freedom!" The baby would be horrified if he or she were to turn on the light and find that the hand that fed it was covered in reptilian scales and what should've been milk was really cyanide and kool-aid. So, most people choose to stay in the dark.

It is that group of people that is the majority though. Personally, I know that the world's governments are full of shit and conducting a silent (for now) genocide on the people and not a living ass can tell me otherwise. There's no other reason to use high fructose corn syrup in most ready-to-eat products, even some you wouldn't expect, like, "Total" and "Wheaties", instead of using natural sugar, or NO sweeteners at all in the case of the two above-mentioned products, unless you KNOW that when this shit bypasses the pancreas too often, the pancreas will shut down all together. It's a great war tactic if you really think about it, plus it saves you money to build more weapons of mass destruction. Don't even get me started on the poisons in fast food and it's availability to the masses either. Yet people still scratch their heads and wonder why 11 and 12 yr. old kids are poppin' up with shit like diabetes.

Real knowledge in itself is heavy shit. Scary, powerful and unsettling on some level. Even the truest of men will at some point want to throw up. Still, I don't get too angry at the people who choose to walk around with their eyes wide shut, because the truth is like death, no matter how hard or how fast you run, in the end, it will hunt you down and make the kill.


The knowledge of conspiracy is like all other knowledge worth gaining. It takes a while to put the pieces together and once put together, you're faced with the, "what next", decision. In between those two stages though, there's a point where a great fear comes over you. No enemy worth conquering is going to be a pushover, but these faggots aren't exactly immortals either, now are they?

So, for the people who want to take the, "What are YOU going to do about it, if it IS true??" standpoint, all I can tell you pendejo, it's a surprise.*(:)

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word to your post.

but theres one thing ive never understood properly.

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Originally Posted by Urban_Journalz

The best way to conquer your enemy, is by seeming like a friend.

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how will that help? i might not see the bigger picture of this statement but imo the best way to conquer your enemy is to know what youre dealing with and at the same time do something about it. This aint godfather shit this is bigger than that, i find it hard how being quiet and pretending to be blind can help anything, unless by "conquer" you mean conquering yourself

Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer.

This is why dictators are often weary of the people around them.

Its how Stalin, as brutal as he was, was able to stay around as long as he did, even if he was overly paranoid.



Its a very good strategy, especially if your enemy does not know that you are his enemy.

Of course it is not applicable in every situation, but nothing is.

My brother said something today which resonated with me.

Alex Jones is worse than Bill O'Reily.

I agree.

You faggits are scared, of the plain and simple truth.

So you formulate these 'theories' out of thin air, in order to support your demented paranoid beliefs.

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Originally Posted by speakonitgod

at least alex jones asks you to think for yourself

your brother would get robbed on sight nigga what

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Your so brainwashed its not even funny. Plus you got beat up by whites as a kid and haven't been able to cope with it yet.

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Originally Posted by Pat Bateman

My brother said something today which resonated with me.

Alex Jones is worse than Bill O'Reily.

I agree.

You faggits are scared, of the plain and simple truth.

So you formulate these 'theories' out of thin air, in order to support your demented paranoid beliefs.

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Exactly...they are all part of the same line of thinking.

MSNBC is the same as FOXNEWS......Olbermann can be worse than O'Reillly at times. I mean i was watching one day and he spent the whole time attacking Bush and Republicans, and I don't think anything was produced aside from bashing.
I mean really, whats the difference between that and what Anne Coulter does?
Nothing.

Both sides are unproductive and filled with hate for the other side. Extremists. These are teh people who hold society down.
People who cannot see both sides and bridge the gap.

Thats what I say all the time here.

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Originally Posted by Pat Bateman

My brother said something today which resonated with me.

Alex Jones is worse than Bill O'Reily.

I agree.

You faggits are scared, of the plain and simple truth.

So you formulate these 'theories' out of thin air, in order to support your demented paranoid beliefs.

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The most dangerous is the one who got the most influence, either way they're both clowns.

You say that people don't believe in America because they are "scared".

It is my opinion that people BELIEVE in conspiracy theories because they are scared and/or unhappy.

It is much scarier to realize that the entire world is made up of fine intricacies and shades of gray. There is no black and white, good and evil. Oftentimes, the answers to the questions of "what to think" and "what is right" are vague and unattainable.

That is something that people have trouble accepting. It is EASIER for them to create fictitious ideas of "right" and "wrong". Rather than accepting the fact that different cultures have different ideals, beliefs and moral codes, they choose to believe that a highly organized and innately sinister group of individuals is responsible for all of the world's evils.

Because they are SCARED to face the reality that the realities of the world have not clear and easy.

It feels safer to believe that evil men create diseases and start wars for personal gain than to acknowledge the complexities of humankind and nature itself.

Which isn't to say that the US government has done no wrong. They have proven capable of such in the past, although in today's society, government secrecy is, for obvious reasons, increasingly difficult.

this is the way i see conspiracy theories:

the people who believe in them seem to be open minded people. the people who don't believe in them see the people who do as fundamentally flawed. these two groups will always exist.

so it doesn't matter even if people are exposing governments as being evil, they know that the other group is there to call them lunatics.

basically, i could establish a secret society right now and start to control the world, and the majority would be on my side because they would believe belief in this would be foolish.

george bush sr. and the current prime minister of britian have both used the term "new world order" in their speeches.

and here's a quote from john d rockefeller's memoirs:
"For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure -- one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

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Originally Posted by Koolish

this is the way i see conspiracy theories:

the people who believe in them seem to be open minded people. the people who don't believe in them see the people who do as fundamentally flawed. these two groups will always exist.

so it doesn't matter even if people are exposing governments as being evil, they know that the other group is there to call them lunatics.

basically, i could establish a secret society right now and start to control the world, and the majority would be on my side because they would believe belief in this would be foolish.

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True.

I think just the opposites. The people who believe in conspiracy theories tend to be extremely close-minded.

THey only seek information, almost never accurate or verified, and cling to it despite NO real evidence or proof.

They have no interest in truth or fact, but just furthering their agenda or seeking erroneous information that supports beliefs that they cling to against all logic.

And Koolish, the bottom line is that you can't start a secret society and start to control the world.