what is magic ?
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what is magic ?
Magic is the systematic and symbolic use of logical fallacies to produce an effect. Of course it does not work. But if one thinks it works, then one could selectively find evidence and convince themselves that it has worked.
Don't believe me that logic is a system of logical fallacies? Look at the foundational claims of magic, then look at a list logical fallacies and see.
please simplify that
make it plain
Style gave a definition of Magic I agree with.
The practice of using the unseen to effect the seen.
The physical is the spiritual and the spiritual is the physical. It's all one and the same. What we call physical is simply what we are able to perceive with the 5 senses. With various technology we have been able to bring certain things into our range of perception and under the banner of "physical". It's all still one and the same thing though. There are still "things" that we cannot perceive but know to exist. Gravity cannot be seen, but the effects of it can. Is gravity physical or spiritual?
Magic was never supposed to be spooky. Magicians were and should always be scientists.
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Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS
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If we analyze the principles of thought on which magic is based, they will probably be found to resolve themselves into two: first, that like produces like, or that an effect resembles its cause; and, second, that things which have once been in contact with each other continue to act on each other at a distance after the physical contact has been severed. The former principle may be called the Law of Similarity, the latter the Law of Contact or Contagion. From the first of these principles, namely the Law of Similarity, the magician infers that he can produce any effect he desires merely by imitating it: from the second he infers that whatever he does to a material object will affect equally the person with whom the object was once in contact, whether it formed part of his body or not
to me, gravity,light,sound,electricity is all physical -
these "things" mentioned can move you, cut you, change you, etc...
gravity to me is just the force of sound pushing you down -
the spinning motion of the earth holding you down
Have you ever touched those things? If not, then they are not physical.
there are allot of things that i have not touched - but are still in existence
if it exist, then it is indeed physical
we don't touch the wind - the winds touch us
we don't touch the sun, the sun touches us
gravity is a force that pins us in place - it exist - the word gravity may be used to describe what is happening to us, but to make it plain, i'll use it as the name of a very physical situation
SMh
There are tangible things (things that can be touched)
There are intangible things (things that cannot be touched)
If it exists, does not mean it is physical. Smh
The wind does not touch us, we SENSE it. Same with the heat of the sun.
You are sounding uneducated.
that's because i am uneducated, untrained to speak of these things the way the world says we should speak on themQuote:
Originally Posted by FMJ
the way i see it, the sun does "touch" us - if it touches us too hard, we end up with sun burn - the way i see it, if it can burn you, it is very physical -
the wind can lift you up and throw you - so i see that as a very physical thing
if we are able to label it, and it effects us in any way, then it exist - if it exist, then it is physical - i speak like this in order to make it plain and simple - and real.
tan·gi·ble
/ˈtændʒəbəl/ Show Spelled[tan-juh-buhl] Show IPA
adjective 1. capable of being touched; discernible by the touch; material or substantial.
2. real or actual, rather than imaginary or visionary: the tangible benefits of sunshine.
Doesn't the process of sensing the wind involve touch? Or are you saying the wind is imaginary or visionary?
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Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS
FMJ
this part doesn't make sense - i wrote it like that for a reason - reread the thread -
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Originally Posted by Face of the Golden Falcon
It involves touch not literally, but metaphorically.
Not saying wind is imaginary at all.
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Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS
gravity
grave
You've personified those things. Figure of speech.Quote:
Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS
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Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS
http://www.faqs.org/health/topics/3/...#ixzz25BJ5ua5FQuote:
Originally Posted by FMJ
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Touch is based on nerve receptors in the skin that send electrical messages through the central nervous system to the cerebral cortex in the brain, which interprets these electrical codes.
Nerve endings that lie in or just below the epidermis cells respond to various outside stimuli, which are categorized into four basic stimuli: pressure, pain, hot, and cold.
This is what happens when sensing the wind. Nothing metaphoric about it at all.
ya, you're right.
when I wrote that I had in mind that sunny said the wind touches us . I was saying that the wind does not touch. humans touch.
humans sense the wind. the sensation of touch is with us (inside of us) not the wind.
yes scientists and poets r too much on one side of the brain.
wind is a bunch of gas partiles travelling in 1 direction so the particles touch us. its not a force lol.
gravity however is a force that we cant touch but maybe in the future that will b disproved or possibly not.
and what exactly is 'unseen' i cant see sub atomic particles and they effect things i can see.
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Originally Posted by rakimkoolgrapwutang
i thought about this before i wrote what i wrote - but something has to be pushing those particles - there has to be some type of force behind it in order for it to move - i would just say that it is a force -
with speakers - loud speakers - there is usually a hole cut out in it - the louder the sound/music, the stronger the wind/air
sound is the source of the wind -
what is the difference between air and wind ?
and what is force ?
commands-intent is force
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the particles obviously have kinetic energy hence why theyre able 2 move. same reason why i can move when no force is pushing me.Quote:
Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS
sound isnt the source of wind.
air is the atmospheric substance above the surface of the earth. its made up of different gases. wind is the movement of gas particles.
a force is an influence that causes an object to move. gravity magnetism friction etc
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Originally Posted by rakimkoolgrapwutang
forces like gravity influence the direction of an object. anything that causes an object to accelerate is a force so definitely influences the direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by D.projectile
another influence is its shape. a force can dent something.
It is the heat of the sun which results in wind.Quote:
Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS
well.... the sun is very loud
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Originally Posted by FMJ
so what is winds source ?
clouds
wind is when gas particles r moving in the same direction. adding heat energy or another form of energy to these particles will give them the energy to moveQuote:
Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS
how can one "Know" something by heart ?
what does it mean to know something by heart when thought is thought to exclusively be processed in the brain ?
what does it really mean to know ?
Also, symbolically, man was put on the cross (Jesus).Quote:
Originally Posted by STYLE
There was also Hebrew letters used in the movie. Interesting how the tooth of a lion was used. And it is the letter SHIN in Hebrew. Shin symbolically means fire (fire looks like a tooth when it burns) and fire is the element of the lion (leo).
Aleph in the Hebrew alphabet means ox and an ox was used in the ritual.
Nun is a letter as well and it means seed, and a new generation of life, so it could rep man as well as other things. Symbolically, some have written that the letter Nun even looks like a man.
http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/28_chart.html
http://hebrew4christians.com/Grammar...aleph-bet.html
Earlier in the movie, Lord BLackwood convinces others he has ressurected.
The killing ritual also implies the resurrection of man:
Man (rep air) was killed by Ox (earth). - So man is dead.
Ox (earth) killed by eagle (water).
Eagle (water) killed by Lion (fire).
Lion (fire) killed by man (air). - In order for man to kill lion, he must have been resurrected. - Jesus symbolism again (according to Bible)
Again with the heart. The Ib knows shit your brain forgets.Quote:
Originally Posted by LORD NOSE
What made us so fuckin stupid compared to the ancients?
These fuck nuts that have knowledge and wont share.
BTW I see a Niburu pole shift Lemuria/Atlantis connection in this cross aspect of it. I will get back.
The cross can be a warning symbol about the natural cycle of this solar system and the imminent pole shift thats happened before and will happen again and again.
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Originally Posted by diggy
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Originally Posted by Face of the Golden Falcon
Ya. The five elements are associated with the five senses, and act as the gross medium for the experience of sensations...
The basest element, earth, created using all the other elements, can be perceived by all five senses – hearing, touch, sight, taste, and smell.
The next higher element, water, has no odor but can be heard, felt, seen and tasted.
Next comes fire, which can be heard, felt and seen.
Air can be heard and felt. "Akasha" (aether) is the medium of sound but is inaccessible to all other senses.
From the lowest to the highest.
“Amen, Hallelujah!”
The four main Annunaki on Earth bowing to Enlil who is Amun...some might say Anu
1 Ptah/Enki father of 2 Ra/Marduk whose the father of 3 Osirus/Asar whose the father of 4 Heru/Horus.
That Sherlock clip is like how they murdered that legacy and replaced it with Christianity/Judaism/Islam
^^
That was a quick retirement from the forum
Indeed it was - I got work to do.
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Originally Posted by diggy
Yup, Kabbalah to be exact. Ancient knowledge that is said to pre-date Christianity. The Four figures (man, lion, ox and eagle) are from the Ezekiel's purported vision in the Bible.
Of the Sphinx, Crowley writes in Liber Aleph (De Natura):
Firstly, this Sphinx is a Symbol of the Coition of Our Lady BABALON with me THE BEAST in its Wholeness. For as I am of the Lion and the Dragon, so is She of the Man and the Bull, in our Natures, but the Converse thereof in our Offices, as thou mayst understand by the Study of the Book of the Vision and he Voice. It is thus a Glyph of the Satisfaction and Perfection of the Will and of the Work, the completion of the True Man as the Reconcilor of the Highest with the Lowest, so for our Convenience conventionally to distinguish them. This hen is the Adept, who doth Will with solid Energy as the Bull, doth dare with fierce Courage as the Lion, doth know with swift Intelligence as the Man, and doth keep Silence with soaring Subtilty as the Eagle or Dragon. Moreover, this Sphinx is an Eidolon of the Law, for the Bull is Life, the Lion is Light, the Man is Liberty, the Serpent Love. Now then his Sphinx, being perfect in true Balance, yet taketh the Aspect of the Feminine Principle that so She may be partner of the Pyramid, that is the Phallus, pure Image of Our Father the Sun, the Unity Creative. The Signification of this Mystery is that the Adept must be Whole, Himself, containing all Things in true Proportion, before he maketh himself Bride of the One Universal Transcendental, in its most Secret Virtue.
http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.ph..._of_the_Sphinx
interesting find...
"Thou sealest up the *sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Thou hast been in Eden, the garden
of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the
onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy
**tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed
cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast
walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day
that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have
filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of
the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy
brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee."
~Ezekiel 28:12-17
http://www.thetruthishere.com/sitebu...n1-187x128.jpg
Lucifer was one of the five original cherubim. These golden, winged machines
carry the three-dimensional part of God through space in our three-dimensional
universe. Each cherub represented the highest of all flesh and blood created: the
pre-fall serpent, lion, eagle, ox, and man. Ezekiel describes the four remaining
cheubim in great detail (Ezekiel 1: 1-28). Isaiah referred to them as the
"Seraphim," which means "the burning ones." John described them as the "zoa"
or living creatures. John, Ezekiel, and Isaiah's description proves this as they are
describing the same four creatures surrounding God's throne. They are called the
cherubim by name. The five-pointed star with a circle around it used to represent
the overhead view of the five cherubim when united for flight to carry God's
throne. God's throne sat upon the pentagon-shaped base. The points of the star
pointed to each cherub. That's why the upside-down, encircled pentagram is
used by Devil worshippers as it depicts the "fallen" cherub instead of the cherub
that originally covered at the top. The illustration below best shows the overhead
flight configuration of the remaining four cherubim today. The large, center circle
represents God.
http://www.thetruthishere.com/sitebu...rn-186x134.jpg
http://www.thetruthishere.com/cherub_lucifer.html