Kool G. Rap's List of Top Ten Lyricists Does Not Include Biggie or Tupac

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Originally Posted by Sosa

]Noel who you consider some of the best lyricists?

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Gza, Killah Priest, K-Rino.

Hip hop lyrics in general are very unimpressive to me. It's a very basic style of poetry/writing. Dudes like Big Daddy Kane, Redman, Kool G Rap, and those types, they write really great hip hop lyrics, but it's pretty simple stuff. Rakim was advanced for his time but by the time Eric B and Rakim was done and he went solo, he was just another one of the pack (as far as lyrics alone go). Canibus can drop some good bars but is inconsistent to the point where he's probably never written a verse that didn't have a few average to terrible lines in it.

Nas is I guess a standout too, but I'm just personally not really into him. I find him really boring for some reason.

I actually much prefer simple but unique and interesting styles of lyricism like Vast Aire (during Can Ox/Atoms Fam phase), or MF Grimm, to faggots who just drop gay multies all over the place, and all that faggoty similie, punchline shit, or worst of all faggots who try really hard to sound smart and/or deep.

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Originally Posted by noel411

Gza, Killah Priest, K-Rino.

Hip hop lyrics in general are very unimpressive to me. It's a very basic style of poetry/writing. Dudes like Big Daddy Kane, Redman, Kool G Rap, and those types, they write really great hip hop lyrics, but it's pretty simple stuff. Rakim was advanced for his time but by the time Eric B and Rakim was done and he went solo, he was just another one of the pack (as far as lyrics alone go). Canibus can drop some good bars but is inconsistent to the point where he's probably never written a verse that didn't have a few average to terrible lines in it.

Nas is I guess a standout too, but I'm just personally not really into him. I find him really boring for some reason.

I actually much prefer simple but unique and interesting styles of lyricism like Vast Aire (during Can Ox/Atoms Fam phase), or MF Grimm, to faggots who just drop gay multies all over the place, and all that faggoty similie, punchline shit, or worst of all faggots who try really hard to sound smart and/or deep.

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why does simple lyricism equate to simple rhyme schemes?

and another question: who are some of your favorite producers?

I don't think its a basic form of poetry at all. Theres some basic motherfuckers doing it, but the guys you mention: Grimm, GZA, Vast etc (and for me a lot of others) write some great songs and are very smart.

It sounds like you just don't like rap that much. What music do you usually listen to?

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Originally Posted by THUGNIFICENT

why does simple lyricism equate to simple rhyme schemes?

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It really doesn't at all. That's not what I meant. Though it is basically what I said. For lack of a better way to put it. I guess I could have said simply structured lyricism.

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Originally Posted by THUGNIFICENT

and another question: who are some of your favorite producers?

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I like the Wu sound. So Rza, 4th, True Master, Mathematics. Havoc during the good years. But I also love all the other 90's legends like Premo, Pete Rock, Prince Paul etc. All the legends. Stoupe from the more modern bunch. But the Wu guys and peak Havoc would be my faves.

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I don't think its a basic form of poetry at all. Theres some basic motherfuckers doing it, but the guys you mention: Grimm, GZA, Vast etc (and for me a lot of others) write some great songs and are very smart.

It sounds like you just don't like rap that much. What music do you usually listen to?

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I'm not saying everybody who writes hip hop lyrics is dumb and there's no thought going into it. It's just a pretty straight forward style of writing. But it's the ones who make it not straight forward, like Gza, Vast Aire, some others, who stand out to me. I totally respect good hip hop lyrics and some guys impress me, but the majority are just generic fucks who have no actual talent at all in regards to writing.

I love hip hop. I stopped following it about 7-8 years ago, but I still listen to the older stuff all the time. I'll never stop liking it. I'm more into 60's and 70's stuff these days, like Floyd, Beatles, Neil Young, Zeppelin etc, but I still listen to as much hip hop as anything else.

When I speak harshly and critically of hip hop it's because when I left it all those years ago it was a fucking disgrace and pretty much made me sick. Almost every faggot sounded the same, there was zero individually, and any faggot who could flow and write heaps of multies got a record deal. I fucken hated it. So I stopped following it. For all I know it has been completely revived and is at its peak now, but it's too late for me. At this point I have no desire to go back. I'll stick with what I know and love. There's certainly enough of it already.

From everything he posted, it sounds like Noel 411 would only be happy with Holocaust "mixed forrest zone” style.

He is the only m.c that could meet your standard.

Holocaust is actually my favourite lyricist. No joke. I find him more entertaining and interesting than anybody else. Any of his styles. He's awesome.

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Originally Posted by noel411

His lyrics were really simple and straight forward and in no way remarkable. In one word, average. He was an above average mc but and average lyricist.

I don't see why Ghost gets a mention either. Again, just average.

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ha, jokes.

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Originally Posted by noel411

Gza, Killah Priest, K-Rino.

Hip hop lyrics in general are very unimpressive to me. It's a very basic style of poetry/writing.

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what are you comparing it with? other forms of popular music? rock music? 70s psych rock? are you fucking kidding me?

hip hop is easily the most complicated genre lyrically on a whole. it's unequivocal almost. lyrics are largely unimportant in most other genre's save for a few select artists or bands - writing even approaching the level of average mc's is rarely seen in other genre's.

you're just wrong noel, i understand you want to complain about hip hop and rappers who you dislike, but everything you've said in this thread is wrong. keep going, you've just said Holocaust is your favourite lyricist, i want to see where this goes.

its a very good list

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Originally Posted by Longbongcilvaringz

keep going, you've just said Holocaust is your favourite lyricist, i want to see where this goes.

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ahahah

good comment.

I like how noel says killah priest but has a thread about him being boring and depressing on the same day

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Originally Posted by Longbongcilvaringz

what are you comparing it with? other forms of popular music? rock music? 70s psych rock? are you fucking kidding me?

hip hop is easily the most complicated genre lyrically on a whole. it's unequivocal almost. lyrics are largely unimportant in most other genre's save for a few select artists or bands - writing even approaching the level of average mc's is rarely seen in other genre's.

you're just wrong noel, i understand you want to complain about hip hop and rappers who you dislike, but everything you've said in this thread is wrong. keep going, you've just said Holocaust is your favourite lyricist, i want to see where this goes.

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I don't know when you became such a snot, but it's pretty much getting to the "get off my dick" point with you.

Hip hop lyrics are a certain amount of syllables to fill a bar, and rhyming. You can make that as complicated as you want but it's a very basic format. Very few mc's do anything interesting with it.

What's so remarkable about Holocaust being my favourite lyricist? Clearly I don't find hip hop lyrics in general interesting, so why wouldn't I prefer somebody who does something completely different?

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I like how noel says killah priest but has a thread about him being boring and depressing on the same day

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I knew somebody who saw both threads would make this completely thoughtless comment. Please explain to me, and I do want to see this, how being boring and depressing disqualifies a person from being a talented wordsmith? Please do tell me.

get it straight YOU say priest is depressing, but then knowledge always depresses the ignorant

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Originally Posted by Longbongcilvaringz

hip hop is easily the most complicated genre lyrically on a whole. it's unequivocal almost. lyrics are largely unimportant in most other genre's save for a few select artists or bands - writing even approaching the level of average mc's is rarely seen in other genre's.

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I agree

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Originally Posted by zu fam

get it straight YOU say priest is depressing, but then knowledge always depresses the ignorant

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Cheers for that. Definitely one of the funniest posts I've seen on here.

Distressing, but enormously humouress.

I can definitely see now how you made that knucklehead initial observation.

Well of course 2Pac wouldn't get on a serious top 10 lyricist list but too many people make out like you can't be a dope mc without super bullshit lyrics.

G Rap, KRS-One, Nas, Rakim, Kane - token, boring old top 5
Big Pun - token shout out to the dead guy with a 1 good album catalogue before he died, interchange with Big L where appropriate
Scarface - token inclusion of a vet who shouldn't be there but he's a vet so you can't call him out on it
Jay-Z - token retarded inclusion. No list is complete without it. It's the equivalent of a typical European top 10 anything list

I find it hilariously ironic that jay-z is on the list over biggie though :lmao:

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Originally Posted by zu fam

I like how noel says killah priest but has a thread about him being boring and depressing on the same day

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Noel 411, likes killah priest and thinks he is a good m.c, all he is saying is that sometimes his music is depressing and repetitive.


There is no contradiction in what he is saying.

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Originally Posted by zu fam

get it straight YOU say priest is depressing, but then knowledge always depresses the ignorant

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Zu fam you have if confused, Noel appreciates knowledge. I think all Noel is saying is he wants killah priest to make tracks with some flavour, rugged boom bap joints namsayin.... It has nothing to do with him being ignorant or depressed by the knowledge that kP is spitting.


peace

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Originally Posted by SKANK HILL

Jay-Z - token retarded inclusion. No list is complete without it. It's the equivalent of a typical European top 10 anything list

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dude, people in Europe dont feel Jay-Z lyrics that much, of course he´s always on the radio, but here in Europe we are passing an hard economic crisis, and we dont what to hear about a rapper that only talks about his money, and dont do shit for the World!

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Originally Posted by SKANK HILL

Well of course 2Pac wouldn't get on a serious top 10 lyricist list but too many people make out like you can't be a dope mc without super bullshit lyrics.

G Rap, KRS-One, Nas, Rakim, Kane - token, boring old top 5
Big Pun - token shout out to the dead guy with a 1 good album catalogue before he died, interchange with Big L where appropriate
Scarface - token inclusion of a vet who shouldn't be there but he's a vet so you can't call him out on it
Jay-Z - token retarded inclusion. No list is complete without it. It's the equivalent of a typical European top 10 anything list

I find it hilariously ironic that jay-z is on the list over biggie though :lmao:

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Ha, what a fucken brilliant post. Nice one homie. One of the best posts I've ever seen in hip hop shop.

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Originally Posted by prof zooruka

Noel 411, likes killah priest and thinks he is a good m.c, all he is saying is that sometimes his music is depressing and repetitive.


There is no contradiction in what he is saying.



Zu fam you have if confused, Noel appreciates knowledge. I think all Noel is saying is he wants killah priest to make tracks with some flavour, rugged boom bap joints namsayin.... It has nothing to do with him being ignorant or depressed by the knowledge that kP is spitting.


peace

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I don't know why you bothered addressing that guy, but yeah, that's about right.

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Originally Posted by noel411

I don't know when you became such a snot, but it's pretty much getting to the "get off my dick" point with you.

Hip hop lyrics are a certain amount of syllables to fill a bar, and rhyming. You can make that as complicated as you want but it's a very basic format. Very few mc's do anything interesting with it.

What's so remarkable about Holocaust being my favourite lyricist? Clearly I don't find hip hop lyrics in general interesting, so why wouldn't I prefer somebody who does something completely different?

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Yeah, you seem to be posting nothing but bullshit in the hip hop section. Usually i can't be bothered posting in here that much, but when i see rubbish like some of the shit you've said in here it warrants it.

Holocaust spits nonsense. He's an interesting lyricist, but everything he says is nonsense... i'd prefer to listen to Canibus who can actually rap as well.

Gucci Mane is a better lyricist than most rock musicians. Rock lyrics are fucking laughable and focus on less themes than hip hop. Robert Plant couldn't hold a flame to the shittiest rappers as lyricists and neither could pretty much any commercial rock musicians.

I'd like to hear how singing 10 bars of vacuous, banal rock lyrics that don't rhyme is in anyway comparable to 30-40 bars of rhyming word play, no matter how basic it is. You don't even know what lyricism is.

And now you're backtracking and trying to say it's a matter of personal preference. You're just wrong and you may as well admit it.

What am I "wrong" about? That hip hop lyrics are a simple form of writing? That's the only thing I recall saying that I even could be "wrong" about. Everything else is about opinion and personal taste. And I'm not gonna admit that I'm wrong about hip hop lyrics being a simple form of writing because I don't think I am wrong, or I wouldn't have said it to begin with.

Or do you think I'm wrong about rock lyrics being less simple than hip hop lyrics? Because that's what pretty much your whole last post was about. In that case please go through my posts again and note that I never said anything about rock lyrics or any type of lyrics other than hip hop.

And I don't give a fuck if you'd rather listen to Canibus than Holocaust, or if you don't enjoy Holocaust's lyrics. That seems to be the difference between you and me. You're letting my opinion and personal tastes bother you whereas I couldn't give a fuck about yours.

You're starting to remind me of my brother up until a few years ago. Every time we were around each other for long periods of time he'd constantly start arguments with me by being critical of everything I did or said. I'd keep pointing out to him that he was always starting shit with me and if I annoyed him so much he'd just have to learn to deal with it. Eventually he must have taken a look at himself and realised what he was doing because he never does it anymore.

Live and let live, brother.

I'm not here to "win" any arguments or prove that I'm "right". It's not my style. I say what I say because it's my opinion. If I thought I was "wrong" about something believe me I would have absolutely no hesitation in admitting it. If you don't like what I'm saying then either learn to live with it or keep wasting both of our time with this bullshit.

lets just get real your australian who cares what you think about hip hop your opinion is invalid

Did Pat Bateman just say that Skampoe writes better shit than Robert Plant??

anyone who hates on G RAP is a faggit fact