RZA Says More “Energy” Is Needed From Ghostface, Raekwon & GZA

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Originally Posted by ShortyCoffeeStain

Wu-Tang died when ODB died.

The W was the last gasp.

Iron Flag was a mixtape.

8 Diagrams was an argument.

RZA beats aren't fun anymore.

Ghostface raps like every other NYC rapper now. Simple bar structure & rhyme schemes, straight forward statements. And he sounds like Cappa half the time.

Meth is still okay, but doesn't sound he's having fun anymore.

U-God is better, but still U-God.

MK is tired.

GZA is tired.

Raekwon is tired.

RZA sounds like a completely different person. And not for the better.

Cappadonna is NOT NEEDED ON A WU-TANG CLAN ALBUM. BUT THANKS.

Deck is kinda back to his old self. But still a far cry from "Socrates philosophies." He just talks about generic street shit now.

I'll take another @@@ or @@@1/2 album from the Wu, absolutely. But let's not kid ourselves. They're done. They don't perform anything past '97 in concert. (Except for maybe Gravel Pit.)

I mean, the past three albums they were insisting "WU-TANG IS BACK" all over...did it happen? You really think it'll happen the fourth time?

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there is a lot of validity that can be found in this

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Originally Posted by ShortyCoffeeStain

Wu-Tang died when ODB died.

The W was the last gasp.

Iron Flag was a mixtape.

8 Diagrams was an argument.

RZA beats aren't fun anymore.

Ghostface raps like every other NYC rapper now. Simple bar structure & rhyme schemes, straight forward statements. And he sounds like Cappa half the time.

Meth is still okay, but doesn't sound he's having fun anymore.

U-God is better, but still U-God.

MK is tired.

GZA is tired.

Raekwon is tired.

RZA sounds like a completely different person. And not for the better.

Cappadonna is NOT NEEDED ON A WU-TANG CLAN ALBUM. BUT THANKS.

Deck is kinda back to his old self. But still a far cry from "Socrates philosophies." He just talks about generic street shit now.

I'll take another @@@ or @@@1/2 album from the Wu, absolutely. But let's not kid ourselves. They're done. They don't perform anything past '97 in concert. (Except for maybe Gravel Pit.)

I mean, the past three albums they were insisting "WU-TANG IS BACK" all over...did it happen? You really think it'll happen the fourth time?

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Probably best post on Wu-Corp ever.

also that shit that Meth spits is wack

Why dont they just make a double ying n yang type album.. light and dark? Thats how Wu were from the start!! To me it sounds like Rae, Ghost and perhaps deck still wana prove to the streets they the hardest especially Rae. It kinda seems childish now. A wu album with less Rae wouldnt bother me at all, cant stand listening tohim spit so much garbage. One ting I do. Respect about his rhymes Is acknowledgement to immigrants , but side from that we aint missin m u ch without Rae. Wu tang fix up and just make a fuking ying n yang album, youre grown men you have a responsibility to drop jewels along with your harder street shit cos like Odb said Wu tang iz for the children. Peace

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Originally Posted by CharlesJones

That's funny that he said more energy is needed from Ghostface, Raekwon, GZA because Ghostface and Raekwon have probably released more solo albums and mixtapes outta the group LOL. For the fans to get that 90's Wu sound, the Wu should do a album without The RZA because it's obvious he's on some different shit and the group members wanna keep the album hardcore if it gets made like the first album.

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100%

At least as a producer anyway but yeah it's pretty obvious he's become Bobby Digital full time, that persona is wack

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Originally Posted by Rawticus

To me it sounds like Rae, Ghost and perhaps deck still wana prove to the streets they the hardest especially Rae.

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I don't think this is true. I just think that Rae, Ghost and possibly Deck feel that Wu is known for a particular style and sound and they want to maintain that.

To be honest Rza has lost his touch, with the beats with the rhymes any dj.

I think that the wu as a group is a think of the past. Every member has his own idea of how the wu should sound. Members especially Rae and Ghost certainly wanted a street oriented album. But Iron flag was an album that sound like that... I think that Rza knows the wu sound that gave them fame is over. Hip Hop fans don't want this sound no more. Robert Diggs is trying to find a new original sound but he failed so many times. He can't produce sounds like in the golden era, this Rza is dead. Bronze and dudes like Cilvaringz are trying to emulate Rza early sound, but they sells poorly. I think that Rza can produce raw sounds if he really wants. He is trying to enter a new chamber but many members don't trust him. He can't find a sound that will satisfy all the members. This group needs a leader. Wu members say they want a Wu album why they don't let other wu producers like Bronze, 4th or True Master produce their albums ? I think that Rae and Ghost just want to be the leaders of this group. These dudes are egoist.

And whys GZA have a problem? I thought he's the genius so has a lot of say in the Wu too? Nobody has mentioned this.

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Originally Posted by prof zooruka

I don't think this is true. I just think that Rae, Ghost and possibly Deck feel that Wu is known for a particular style and sound and they want to maintain that.

To be honest Rza has lost his touch, with the beats with the rhymes any dj.

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Listen ok when these lot were younger they spat that street shit splashed with knowledge and now they older most of their lyrics are just generic street boasting rhymes.. don't put your head in the sand, these are old guys trying to stay relevant in the new HipHop age talking the same ol shit, they supposed to be pioneers. Ok their wordplay and flow still A class but they have it too easy now. I think RZA is on the correct page for vision he trying to lay down something monumental not just the same ol shit. I believe they should make a half n half album light and dark.. Uplift, teach, have fun, speak truth, drop jewels. That's what Wu has always been. Peace

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I’m tellin’ you, I’m hard-bodied, dawg. Trust me, just listen to some of these features, you’ll see exactly where I’m at with it and how I’m gonna come, ’cause I’m back to cadence. My flows are gonna be switchin’ all over the place—dudes will not be able to keep up.

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that's the most of a shit i've seen mef give about rapping in a long time. i dont know how to word that sentence.

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Originally Posted by CharlesJones

That's funny that he said more energy is needed from Ghostface, Raekwon, GZA because Ghostface and Raekwon have probably released more solo albums and mixtapes outta the group LOL. For the fans to get that 90's Wu sound, the Wu should do a album without The RZA because it's obvious he's on some different shit and the group members wanna keep the album hardcore if it gets made like the first album.

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yeah, they're dropping shit, its cool to listen to, but do those albums really stand out like that? do you go back and listen to them? they're dropping music to stay relevent, to keep up their money.

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Originally Posted by The blackma

I think that the wu as a group is a think of the past. Every member has his own idea of how the wu should sound. Members especially Rae and Ghost certainly wanted a street oriented album. But Iron flag was an album that sound like that... I think that Rza knows the wu sound that gave them fame is over. Hip Hop fans don't want this sound no more. Robert Diggs is trying to find a new original sound but he failed so many times. He can't produce sounds like in the golden era, this Rza is dead. Bronze and dudes like Cilvaringz are trying to emulate Rza early sound, but they sells poorly. I think that Rza can produce raw sounds if he really wants. He is trying to enter a new chamber but many members don't trust him. He can't find a sound that will satisfy all the members. This group needs a leader. Wu members say they want a Wu album why they don't let other wu producers like Bronze, 4th or True Master produce their albums ? I think that Rae and Ghost just want to be the leaders of this group. These dudes are egoist.

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i dont know about the egoist part, but i think they should let rza find his new sound. cuz if its just them rapping over 90s-esque beats its gonna seem faulty, played out, but if rza gets his new lane they might be able to cook something up. i mean i'm keepng my expectations real low for this, but if it were to be release, and then if it were to be good, two big ifs, i think it would be thru rza operating in a new lane.

just drop it and let the fans decide.

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Originally Posted by THUGNIFICENT

that's the most of a shit i've seen mef give about rapping in a long time. i dont know how to word that sentence.

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"that's the most I've seen Meth give a shit about rapping in a long time."
"It's been a long time since I've seen Meth give that much of a shit about rapping"

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Originally Posted by THUGNIFICENT

that's the most of a shit i've seen mef give about rapping in a long time. i dont know how to word that sentence.



yeah, they're dropping shit, its cool to listen to, but do those albums really stand out like that? do you go back and listen to them? they're dropping music to stay relevent, to keep up their money.



i dont know about the egoist part, but i think they should let rza find his new sound. cuz if its just them rapping over 90s-esque beats its gonna seem faulty, played out, but if rza gets his new lane they might be able to cook something up. i mean i'm keepng my expectations real low for this, but if it were to be release, and then if it were to be good, two big ifs, i think it would be thru rza operating in a new lane.

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Rza experiments, it's a good and bad thing. If the wu members don't trust him this project will fail like 8 diagrams. I don't give a fuck what Rae or Ghost think. Rza created the wu tang clan, he had a vision and they trust him. I don't think a motherfucker like Rae has a vision. He is just a dope mc no more, he can't be a leader. These motherfuckers can't understand Rza because they don't know what Rza has done. He produced 7 incredible albums from 1993 to 1997. Rza is a pioneer and an adventurer who looks further. Other members are not as clever as him because he is a genius. He has taken risks since the beginning. He doesn't want to imitate anybody. So I don't expect anything for this future project.

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Originally Posted by Rawticus

And whys GZA have a problem? I thought he's the genius so has a lot of say in the Wu too? Nobody has mentioned this.

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I've been wondering about this as well. I don't think GZA has a problem, he's just been busy putting together Dark Matter and his album about the ocean. I do hope GZA makes it onto more cuts for this album though.

I love how this forum is full of cats who Are experts at what wu should do career wise and can gauge their relevancy lol...it never fails

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Originally Posted by Young Gun

I've been wondering about this as well. I don't think GZA has a problem, he's just been busy putting together Dark Matter and his album about the ocean. I do hope GZA makes it onto more cuts for this album though.

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That's not a good excuse. GZA never has a lot of verses on Wu albums, probably because he takes so long writing a verse. But really how long is it taking for him to release another album? 5 years later and nothing. Probably 4 or 5 guest appearances he already recorded before 05. All these rappers lost their focus and they're in denial. Rap is all about the hunger and they don't have that hunger. Maybe they could drop a dope verse, but the music is not going to be up to par.

GZA has the name Genius and last year he said his album would drop in Fall, even though it was just a month away. Someone with brains knows if their albums drops next month. If there is only a month left, it's probably used for shipping and shit. I don't even think it's a matter of label not wanting to release it, it's GZA who probably hasn't even recorded the album for 50%. It's ignorant when artists say they're releasing things very soon, but in the end it takes 5+ years. He said Pro Tools was a compilation. Wu-Tang is no longer fresh. The producer has a vision and the rest of the group wants to live in the 90s. They're no longer artists.

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Originally Posted by RADIOACTIVE MAN

I love how this forum is full of cats who Are experts at what wu should do career wise and can gauge their relevancy lol...it never fails

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Fans shouldn't tell Wu what to do, for sure. Because fans have no idea what they want.

But at the same time Wu hasn't fed us since 8 Diagrams so we're going to speculate on what the hold up is.

Honestly I think it's that rap is not the #1 most important thing the Clan's lives right now. When rap was #1 for them, they put out heat. Now it's just not. They have families and other business...it's like a job for them. And it shows.

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Originally Posted by ShortyCoffeeStain

Fans shouldn't tell Wu what to do, for sure. Because fans have no idea what they want.

But at the same time Wu hasn't fed us since 8 Diagrams so we're going to speculate on what the hold up is.

Honestly I think it's that rap is not the #1 most important thing the Clan's lives right now. When rap was #1 for them, they put out heat. Now it's just not. They have families and other business...it's like a job for them. And it shows.

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I surely know what I want and what I don't want. I don't want gayshit like "family reunion". I want a wu album with dope and deep lyrics and ill beats from the wu elements. If Rza lost it he could ask wu fans to send them beats. If they can't release a wu album, fuck them. I think they still respect fans but maybe I am wrong.

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Originally Posted by The blackma

Rza experiments, it's a good and bad thing. If the wu members don't trust him this project will fail like 8 diagrams. I don't give a fuck what Rae or Ghost think. Rza created the wu tang clan, he had a vision and they trust him. I don't think a motherfucker like Rae has a vision. He is just a dope mc no more, he can't be a leader. These motherfuckers can't understand Rza because they don't know what Rza has done. He produced 7 incredible albums from 1993 to 1997. Rza is a pioneer and an adventurer who looks further. Other members are not as clever as him because he is a genius. He has taken risks since the beginning. He doesn't want to imitate anybody. So I don't expect anything for this future project.

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couldnt have said it better myself. just that i liked 8D even tho it underperformed for a clan LP.

repped.

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Originally Posted by RADIOACTIVE MAN

I love how this forum is full of cats who Are experts at what wu should do career wise and can gauge their relevancy lol...it never fails

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You're basically saying that we should not have an opinion or passion for a group we have mostly been supporting and wanting the best out of them for years!! Come on man freedom of speech man.. These are just ideas , and i can clearly see that Rae especially wana stay relevant , doesn't wana experiment with ideas. There's nothing wrong with that he's been that type of Mc for years he has his own original style but wants relevancy. I can't blame any rapper who wants that but when it's pioneers trying to put out similar shit to that wackiness out there it has to said.
Luckily Rae ain't done that but I see he is tempted!! Anyway as for career guidance, I think the Wu as a collective, the generals needs some mediation to sort shit out, a go between someone they all respect but who is not part of it. Doesn't sound like they can do it amongst themselves. That's my opionion, whether it means shit or not. Let's not try censor each other bro , I know you want a piece of the Wu action so you gona step up like you're defending em for reward but let's keep it real bruv. Maybe there is some truth in what some are saying here, a lot of it is constructive it could actually help .freedom
Of speech. Peace

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Originally Posted by Rawticus

I think the Wu as a collective, the generals needs some mediation to sort shit out, a go between someone they all respect but who is not part of it.

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Originally Posted by prof zooruka

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Please be serious.

If Rae's input is minimal (if at all) on this album - I cant say I would be terribly distraught. In fact it might be a better idea to have less complacent emcees to the table for once - the likes of Killah Priest; Timbo King; LA the Darkman, Shabazz... and of course Killa Sin. Imagine these dudes interspersed all over some posse joints. Also, given the fact that Cappa and Streetlife will also be present, I think that the Wu has enough talent to cover, if one particular element doesnt show. I know that Cilva's project has this in mind. But the Wu (RZA, Divine, Power sanctioned) can still produce a well-rounded album that satiates its fans, if they use the fathomless talent they have at hand. Meth was saying that RZA wants a mix of light and dark - I would be ecstatic if RZA turned to 4th Disciple for the darker elements of the album. Now, an album minus GZA and Ghost - well thats a different matter all together. I dont think enough is mentioned about GZA's declining role in the clan. In the golden era - GZA was the head, and with each successive clan album, his input and overshadowing presence has lessened. I think this has been just as detrimental (in terms of clan output), as say RZA turning into Jimi Hendrix. In order for the album to truly work - both the surviving members of All in Together, need to be at the helm in terms of creative input (the head and the brain of this Voltronic force).

As a general Rae seems like a (not so young) pretender - I think a Wu album completely in his own vision would suck sweaty balls to be honest. The Abbott and Genius were always the grand imperial masters at this - in my eyes their unity, is the key to this album working they way we want - definitely not a new 36 Chambers, but an esoteric interplay of light and dark; the Wu at their unfathomable greatest.

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Originally Posted by Mythrandir

If Rae's input is minimal (if at all) on this album - I cant say I would be terribly distraught. In fact it might be a better idea to have less complacent emcees to the table for once - the likes of Killah Priest; Timbo King; LA the Darkman, Shabazz... and of course Killa Sin. Imagine these dudes interspersed all over some posse joints. Also, given the fact that Cappa and Streetlife will also be present, I think that the Wu has enough talent to cover, if one particular element doesnt show. I know that Cilva's project has this in mind. But the Wu (RZA, Divine, Power sanctioned) can still produce a well-rounded album that satiates its fans, if they use the fathomless talent they have at hand. Meth was saying that RZA wants a mix of light and dark - I would be ecstatic if RZA turned to 4th Disciple for the darker elements of the album. Now, an album minus GZA and Ghost - well thats a different matter all together. I dont think enough is mentioned about GZA's declining role in the clan. In the golden era - GZA was the head, and with each successive clan album, his input and overshadowing presence has lessened. I think this has been just as detrimental (in terms of clan output), as say RZA turning into Jimi Hendrix. In order for the album to truly work - both the surviving members of All in Together, need to be at the helm in terms of creative input (the head and the brain of this Voltronic force).

As a general Rae seems like a (not so young) pretender - I think a Wu album completely in his own vision would suck sweaty balls to be honest. The Abbott and Genius were always the grand imperial masters at this - in my eyes their unity, is the key to this album working they way we want - definitely not a new 36 Chambers, but an esoteric interplay of light and dark; the Wu at their unfathomable greatest.

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I agree. Without All in together Now the wu is not the same. The dirt digg can't be replaced and his deaths is a drama. Rza featured George Clinton to emulate Dirty Dog on 8D but it's not the same "spice" and it was not happening. Dirty Dogg is unique so were Rza and Gza. But don't forget Meth and Ghostface Killah. I don't give a fuck about Rae. There are enough dope mcs in the wu fam to drop dope verses and epic lyrics. Killah Priest, Streetlife, Timbo King... And the wu elements can bring the heat if Rza and the generals trust them and ask them to produce the beats of their life. Dudes like Bronze, 4th disicple, True Master, Allah Mathematics, Y Kim etc... Just ask each of these niggaz to produce 2 or 3 dope beats. If they want they can release a double cd. One for the light (mainly Rza produced) and one for the Dark (produced mainly by the wu elements). And let the mcs chose the beats they like. It will the last wu album I just want this to sump up the saga with all the shining members who are still alive. And I hope the shit will feature a song with the "young lords", sons of the wu legends.

http://news.yahoo.com/rza-wu-tang-fo...171114613.html

The clan shouldn't put out a "A Better Tomorrow", they should wait and perfect any album they plan on making, instead of rushing it and then adding another fail to there catalogue, which will be what "A Better Tomorrow" will be if it is released now.

No Rae
Weak album title
Weak first single "Family Reunion"
No clan cohesion

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Originally Posted by SL33

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O shit they named Wu-Corp as the go-to website, Dlah will excrete a menstrual tsunami after that one! :)

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He hopes to have it completed in 45 days or so after sending it to a few outside producers for final touches.

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*hides under nearest table*

I want to hear the RZA helmed clan album, but to be honest i've always been a bigger fan of the solo wu albums. If RZA can work better with Meth he should just make an album with him. I'd rather hear something thats organic rather than forcing a clan album.

LOL @ menstrual tsunami

I don't want a new Wu album album without Raekown. If he was locked down or shit like ODB I would understand, but at this time Rae's actting like a fuckin' moron.

Im not listening to no damn wu album without rae on it..and the title tho "a better tomorrow",its just not something u hear and get amped up...sounds like some hippie shit or some shit dlah or raaddr fag would come up with. Rza and co need.to have a sit.down and really think this one through

raekwon is nothing without the wu ! it's just a good mc , that's all, nothing more.
must be that it stops to the boss, side flow: this is the worst , like next solo album . raekwon is too rotten and featuring more it leaves too bad or average album as lex diamound , shaolin vs wu , fila , mixtapes ....

if there must be a mc less in "better tommorrow " I vote for raekwon .

Briefly, the idea of ​​a dark side and a ligth is really good side.
dark side: I hope 4th disciple going to do , but I doubt it very much because it did not occur to the wu from uncontrolled substance and blood brother cappa .

I strongly hope that there will be a twenty sounds like wu tang forever , with beats only 4th Disciple , True Master , rza , mathematics , bronze,
the verses are long, not too chorus, chorus and especially not like rnb thea , dexter Wigler or others, but refrain thekita or blue rasberry .
an album 100% wu , and the same for featurings : only guys like street cappa sin priest timbo 60sec ...

j ' also hope that gza will regain its true full flow of energy, as it did in heads up with Ugod , and masta killa stopped making romantic lover tired, but rather that he finds his dark and slow flow as "execute them" or " illusions " but rather that rza Recycling his flow of gravediggaz like graveyard chambers and 2 cups of blood or no hooks ( oneill) for example

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The 44-year-old Wu-Tang leader and producer says he's still six weeks or so away from finishing the Clan's overdue new album "A Better Tomorrow." The process has made him realize he's got different priorities these days.
"When you're a young man, you're hustling and you've got 12 hours a day to dedicate to music. It might be more than that," said the rapper, whose real name is Robert Diggs, in a phone interview. "The energy that's important is constantly pouring out. But when you've got to go seek for the energy, it becomes a little more difficult. Wu-Tang is forever, I'll never take back that statement. But we haven't recorded a lot of studio albums. This is the first album we've recorded in seven years, actually. And we can't wait seven years for another album."
RZA foresees a future where the spirit of the Wu-Tang Clan lives on in the children of the original nine members of the New York-based collective and in the untold scores of rappers, producers and entrepreneurs influenced by the group — folks like Drake, whose "Wu-Tang Forever" drew a lot of attention earlier this year. He's had trouble wrapping up the collective's plans in the now, though.
The 20th anniversary of the release of "Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)," the Clan's still-powerful debut album, came and went last week, and the album meant to celebrate the moment remains a work in progress.
RZA says he traveled around the country gathering material for the album, even stopping over in Memphis, Tenn., where he conducted original recording sessions with players from the revered Stax and Hi record labels. Most of his production is complete, and most of the other members of the group — including GZA, Method Man, Ghostface Killah and Inspectah Deck — completed their versework in two sessions over the summer. He hopes to have it completed in 45 days or so after sending it to a few outside producers for final touches.
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One obstacle remains.
"Everybody did their verses except Raekwon," RZA said. "He hasn't turned in his verses yet. I don't know if he's still trying to find the vibe of the music. We have to talk about it before it becomes too late. But he hasn't come to the table yet."
Attempts to reach Raekwon for comment were unsuccessful. RZA says he's not sure if the project can be completed without his crewmate: "Well, you know what, that's something that I would take a vote on with the rest of the crew. I'm not a dictator about that. Raekwon is a valuable energy to the Wu-Tang, his voice, his lyrics, his approach. Rae is a master lyricist."
RZA's got plenty to do in the meantime. He's recently finished the screenplay for what he hopes will be his second feature film and he's acting in the new Fox series "Gang Related," playing a Los Angeles police officer on a Los Angeles gang unit.
"There are moles inside the police department from the gang culture, that's the whole trick about the series," he said. "Who's going to turn out to be the double agents? Who's gang-related? Each week it's getting closer. I don't know if it's going to be me or not."
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More and more, he sees acting — not producing — as his 9 to 5.
"I live in a capitalist country so I respect, 'Cash rules,'" he said. "That might get me on the mic at 50. But I prefer not to be on the mic at 50."
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just rename the album and sell it as a Method Man album

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just rename the album and sell it as a Method Man album

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LMFAO!!!this

At the height of their fame and glory, they turned on one another
Each struggling in vain for ultimate supremacy
In the passion and depth of their struggle, the very art that had raised them to such Olympian heights was lost
Their techniques vanished

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Originally Posted by Punch

At the height of their fame and glory, they turned on one another
Each struggling in vain for ultimate supremacy
In the passion and depth of their struggle, the very art that had raised them to such Olympian heights was lost
Their techniques vanished

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Real shit!!

I still believe RZA's got the talent but he has a different way of how its supposed to sound with guitar and musically stuff or whatever.
Sometimes i wonder if RZA listens to his older shit the way he used to sound i think hes to focused creating new sound. Raekwon would work with him if he creates it the way RZA can.
Its like 8 D over you know finishing work and not be satisfied with the outcome