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Wu-Tang Reunion and Preacher's daughter should not have made the album. The lyrics and flow on 40th street are pretty good but the beat is boring. Nathaniel shouldn't have been on the album. This is my complain about the album. Im feeling about 10/15 tracks.
I'm up to Hold The Heater so far and I'm feeling it..but is Cappadonna seriously on every fucking track??
Streetlife > Cappadonna
RZA should have made a track with that beat on the intro of "Pioneer Frontier". Damn ! It sounds like "Holocaust" on the Bobby Digital album. What a waste of a dope beat
Does anybody got Ron O'Neal in 320kbps?
Second Listen
bumping the album on my speakers now. It bangs for sure. Really nice mix.
Ruckus In B Minor goes hard since I first heard it. Stand out track.
Felt is a really dope beat, great track.
Mathematics rhythm is off on 40th St. That snare doesn't fit that beat. It falls flat. Not a very good overall track.
Mistaken Identity is a jewel. They all went hard. One of Capps best verses. Who's that street life on the hook? And U God is on his A game here. Hella job on the beat RZA.
Hold the heater is the second track that I'm not crazy about. Beat is average. RZA played around with that synth too much. I was wrong about U God on my first listen, he actually sounds good on this. This track is nothing special.
Crushed Egos is magic. Raekwon = MVP (Kevin Durant Meme) nice touch by RZA, interesting to hear them both share this track.
Keep watch goes hard. Nice beat by Mathematics. I like the hook on it. Method Man destroys this. And GZA sounds the best he does on the whole album.
Miracle starts off corny, but it comes together nicely. Monster track. Raekwon again!
Preachers Daughter overall good song.
Pioneer the Frontier. Another top track. Nice work by RZA. Vintage Wu shit.
Necklace same as above.
Ron Oneal I like the beat, but the hook falls flat. Nice job by Meth
A better Tomorrow. I really like this. Thoughtful rhymes. Nice beat, and the sample was used very well. Feel good track.
Never Let Go is filler to me, nothing special. Did you god say when I'm in jail never let go of the soap?!? Ahahahahn
Wu tang Reunion I always enjoyed since it came out. Great beat, great lyrics. Ghostface sold the show there.
Overall after second listen I like it.
Again Cappa wasn't very impressive, but he did okay on some songs. Rae on more of these tracks, with some harder less experimental beats would have been awesome.
I did not like 2 songs. 40th st, Hold the heater
1 song was so so... Never let go.
I loved
Ruckus in B Minor
Felt
Mistaken Identity
Crushed Egos
Miracle
Pioneer the frontier
Necklace
Wutang Reunion
The others were all good. No complaint.
4/5 Rating
"Ruckus in B minor" I give 8/10 and 8/10 to beat MC's
"Felt" after the fifth listen I give 8/10 and 8/10 to beat MC's
"40th street black" I do not understand what the beat !! I give 4/10 and 6/10 MC's
"Mistaken Identity" wu Bangah !!
"hold the heater" beat MC's 7/10 6/10
"crushed egos" the beat is really bad and boring but Rae 4/10 9/10
"keep watch" I hearts that beat 8/10 piece and members
"miracle" bang bang wu Bangah prod is beautiful this piece crushes serious
"preacher's daughter" good atmosphere on piece I love the beat is crazy 9/10 and 8/10 beat to members
"pioneer the fronter" I still do not know what to think of that song! let's say average
"necklace" wu Bangah sick beat 4th thx !!
"Ron o'neal" good song !!
"A better tomorow" I like good atmosphere 8:10
"never let go" good song
"Wu-tang reunion"
how to say good after several listening this album is not bad, I did not think that it would be produced with the time orchestra. RZA sometimes abuse this level. c is much better than 8 diagrams but it will not be a top album.
go 4 stars for this album !!
Cappadonna tired in the long run this is not fucking album are !! I would have preferred the RZA and not an orchestra or some sort of Bobby Digital.
for their last album together we will say that it is not so bad
I love reading the reviews on this website. You'll get people rating 3/4 of the album 8-9/10 then say the album is average lol
It's nice on first listen, much better than expected. That miracle hook at the start was seriously gay as fuck though. I don't understand why the phrase "a better tomorrow" was prominent on the Ron O'Neal hook and not on the title real but w/e. I'll listen a few more times see how it holds up.
does the album have any hidden bonus song like the last 2 albums? i wonder if any stores are gonna release the CD early tomorrow black friday
Incredible interview with RZA over at Rolling Stone
thanks for the link
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/fe...-clan-20141125
I read that interview.....great interview. I feel bad for RZA.....seems like Rae and Ghost just think they are too big for the Wu nowadays. Rza had to pay Rae upfront just to get him on the album. Wish these guys were all on the same page for once and work together to make a classic bc they are capable. I really like A Better Tomorrow too.....I think it's their best album since Forever. Even with all the difficulties it took to make this album. I don't think they will have another group album after this one.....but you never knowQuote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
RZA's fucking right!Quote:
Originally Posted by RZA
Maybe the best rza interview i've read.
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Originally Posted by Bobby Budknickers
Man With The Iron Fists 2 is done already??!!!!!
Dope interview!
Peace!
"A Better Tomorrow came together largely because, through it all, RZA has remained perhaps the world’s biggest Wu-Tang fan." True, true, true, Rolling Stone.
"Then you're hearing someone like U-God sounding better – like, "Wow, he's developing like a late bloomer." Nice backhanded compliment there RZA lol, kinda like how Jay did Memph Bleek 'who can be one hit away his whole career' haaaaaaaaaaaah.
He said, "You probably helped fucking get Obama the presidency because your music attracted multi-cultures at a phase where multicultural was not so big for us." 9th Prince sees the bigger picture in politics lol. Cool though that he was the one who initiated the idea of a reunion album. I never knew.
Fucking great interview (RZA's most open-hearted one ever?), very good album. Still absorbing all of this dopeness. I cannot express how much this has exceeded my expectations, this ranks up there with 'The W', which bar a few songs, was exquisite. In the long run this one might even be better. I am glad I was proven wrong. Even starting to kind of like the hook on 'Keep Watch' in this context. Who woulda thunk? (Can't say the same of the Miracle intro though.)
120 people in the Wu Chamber... don't think I've seen that many people in here in a loooong time.
I love how this place comes alive when a new album drops!
Peace!
i have this on pre-order but have just broken and going with the stream.
21 years - sensible clean cut bands dont often make this but this wild crazy geniuses have. I salute the mighty, untouchable Wu Tang Clan. I love many forms of music from techno through reggae, rock, drum and bass etc. Nothing has come close to the brilliance of good Wu. Of which there has been a lot.
I think it's already done for 2 years, cus the original Man with Iron Fist was supposed to last over 3hours. They mgiht've cut it into pieces and made two partsQuote:
Originally Posted by Pattch82
No special ODB verses. Cap has 10 verses, his first lp with the Clan as a major contributor as a general now
^^First come first served basis on this album I guess. Too bad about ODB. We can't win 'em all huh.
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Originally Posted by sabla
I can't wait to hear the album. I'm loving Neclace and Ruckus In B Minor. I'm proably going to be hated for this, but after reading that interview I think Raekwon and Ghost are ungrateful as fuck. Great artist, but the way they turned on the RZA, and air their issues out to the public is pathetic! Without RZA there woudn't be a 36 Chambers or Wu Tang Forever and they wouldn't have a career. I can't stand the way they are going on.
Absolutely. After reading that, theres no point pussying around with this shit. Raekwon is a fucking complete piece of shit, he basically blackmailed RZA, the guy that is responsible for his fucking rap career!Quote:
Originally Posted by the surgeon
Fucking fat asshole.
sounds superb, outside of Hold the Heater and Preacher i think the other 13 will get play from me. 40th St is kind of odd with the beat, but its kind of like a high tempo park jam type feel. love the flows
great mix, everyones voice is mixed down properly, outside of a couple obvious misses like Ron and Miracle's hooks this is a very worthy 4 mic'er
Keep Watch is so much better now, extra fills added to the beat and less Nathaniel. thats actually a standout to me, diggin the groove classic Math style
I listened three times in a row and I am now liking all the tracks even the ones that didn't click with me earlier on, including the first two singles and 40th Street Black and Never Let Go. Even Wu-Tang Reunion fits in this context. To me the album has a cohesive feel even though the songs are pretty diverse. If that makes any sense. Very good entry in the Wu catalogue. Hard to predict its replay value of course but I've gotta say I've got a good feeling about that too.
About Rae & Ghost : they felt fucked on 8 Diagrams because RZA changed so many beats in the final stage after the vocals had been laid down already so I understand their concerns when it came to making this album. But of course it is also true Rae is greedy and then there's the fact him and Ghost think they outshine the rest of the clan and to be fair for some time they actually did/have. Thank God though for Rae on this album, I think he put in some quality control beatwise and his verses are ace.
Lol and people bought that creative differences bullshit from Raekwon smh and some dude here was telling me RZA should've delayed ABT just for Rae lol
Rae should delay FILA for RZA beats. Then again, maybe he has. (Wishful thinking much?) Shit's been pushed back to March.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hound
Exactly. I have lost so much respect for him and Ghost, but especially Rae. He's a snakeQuote:
Originally Posted by ShaDynasty
In the interview, it said RZA played Rae 8 beats that he liked, so its not beyond the realm of possibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by 5th state
The whole business has to leave a sour taste in RZAs mouth though. Hes such a cool dude that it might not have bothered him, at least he knows what hes dealing with in Rae if they ever work together again.
the more interviews you read, the more you hear Rae and ghost fucked up wu tang.
In alot of ways i feel like you UNBROKEN. I was just telling my son tonight while we listened in the car i told him this is the album for us right now .The fans like myself in late 30's and been grinding with the wu since day one. Miracle is a genius of a track! my kid was feeling that. Good job Rza and thanks WuTang for still putting the work in and reminding us regular hard working cats that music is the cure for many ills !!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Unbroken
good RZA interview
cant wait to get my copy. I hope my store gets it in the next shipment. love working at a record store for reasons like this
only heard the two singles so far, aint gonna listen to the stream. glad to see people active in here and enjoying the album
Some of you dudes are idiots. Have you never heard the saying "There are two sides to every story." So because Rza had the most recent interview and was vocal about his side of the dispute, now Rae is a piece of shit? Just listen to the music and leave the business side of it alone. You weren't there so quit judging dudes on shit you know nothing about. This is precisely why artists need to keep shit to themselves. Because to them they might just be trying to be honest or let of some steam. They don't realize how dumb their fans are and how personally they take shit that really shouldn't be personal to them at all.
All that said, if anyone should complain, it should be Gza. Where is he at in this album. It seems like he was only in like four songs. And that's how it is for every album. Whenever shit goes down, Gza is always one of the people Rza names as being there from the start. But then when the album comes out, he's always one of the least featured. Why is that?
I just got the album. Miracle is fucking incredible. Ill give it a couple full listens before i say anything else
Agreed, but it's RZA who's leading the charge to bring them back, who invested his time/money, who's always at press, etc. etc. There's no way this would've happened w/o him. Rae/Ghost are probably content as soloists because there's less splits financially, not to mention the differences of where they are musically from RZA, but you MUST salute RZA for making this happen, who the fuck knows if/when we'll get another one. And the album is proper but it's wack how it's release is always surrounded in drama, w/ not everyone being on the same page and what not. That's what makes this joyous and unfortunate at the same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulless
As far as GZA, he's back on his narcolepsy shit it seems. Mef, Deck and MK killed it, Rae came correct, too (as he always does). Overall it doesn't seem completely cohesive, and it ain't perfect, but decent considering all the effort it took.
Cappa was wack on this shit
Great interview by RZA there. What really pisses me off is that Rae and Ghost act like ABT don't exist. On their Twitter pages, you can't find nothing about it! There are a lot of reminders for "36 Reasons", but nothing on the Clan's record.. That's fucked up.
Feels like the tension of "8 Diagrams" all over again..
Listened to it for the 1st time. This needs to go through speakers, fuck the earbuds.
Keep Watch is the weakest song definately. Preacher's daughter is a nice song. Way better than peadophile-track 'Starter'.
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Originally Posted by corky831
Preacher's Daughter is my shit lol that turned out dope, would've liked to have heard ODB on there lol. And Ringz was definitely on point about Miracle. Pioneer The Frontier is sick as expected.