Either way, RZA wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by ta12113
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Either way, RZA wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by ta12113
To be clear I am not saying I view it this way, but perhaps it is a sentiment which colors other people’s perception of the situation.
In Masta Killa's defence, he didn't recognize an intro not an actual song.
That intro is actually a The Luniz beat, and Don't be A Menace version of Winter Warz roams throughout the You Tube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H4bSPeBZi8
In Masta Killa's defence, he didn't recognize an intro, not an actual song.
That intro is actually a The Luniz beat, and Don't be A Menace version of Winter Warz roams throughout the You Tube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H4bSPeBZi8
Ok I quoted a too many people, you're right about that. My point got lost!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
I didn't hear U-God say that he feels it's a Wu-Tang Clan album? His book explains that he does not feel that way. That doesn't mean that he (or any of the others involved) doesn't like the project or doesn't feel joy about being a part of it.
He did say that he didn't get paid right for it, not taking away anything from the project itself but the way it was handled money-wise.
"If Cilvaringz is the architect, recording verses, switching up beats, not involving the other members in the decision making process regarding this or that - then it’s not ok, because it’s not Rza."
I'd like to change "not ok" with "not a Wu-Tang Clan album". It's totally ok to do this (since that's how albums are made, like you said) but that doesn't make it a Wu-Tang Clan album. They came out as a group with RZA being the leader, the fact that they recorded the songs you mentioned without knowing which project they were going to end up on, wasn't strange since it happened within the group. You are not a member of the group though, which is the difference. That doesn't mean that it's "fake" when you are doing it, but it's not the same thing. It may be even better, that's not the point!
Once again, I'm not trying to take away anything from the project by explaining why I can't see it as a Wu-Tang Clan album. And I understand that it was put out like that and that RZA (as well as more members) co-signed it, because of the whole idea with the one exclusive copy. Ofc it was going to generate more money having that label!
I'm sure you did a great job on this album, I have no doubts about that! And I'm sure the Wu members feel the same way too, if that doesn't show.
Noone's attacking Killa for not recognizing the intro. It's a story to highlight how he came to explain how earlier Wu-Tang works were made. As for the RZA architect vs Cilvaringz architect arguement, that's actually not a bad way of looking at it, even though RZA was involved in architectual work of the record. But to take that further, would it then be fair to say that if there was a similar Wu-Tang Clan album done by 4th Disciple or True Master, would it equally be seen as a 'fake' Wu-tang Clan album? Does that mean the Saga Continues album is a fake Wu-Tang Clan album? Cause that's certainly being promoted as one and the Clan doesn't seem to mind or are actually promoting it as such.. and how does that bode for the upcoming Wu-Tang Clan album, the one orchestrated by Ghostface?
U-God's referring to it as "Our album", "my album", "Something that I made"... wanting to get it back so he can sell it, etc etc. And he did get paid. He got paid exactly what was agreed upon.Quote:
Originally Posted by quiesumquam
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Originally Posted by SL33
that's still weird as hell. At that point MK was on how many published songs? no more than 7. Let's say your 7th song you ever made end up on a major movie soundtrack, and you don't recognize the version from the soundtrack? It was literally the outro of the movie and a major part of one of the major scenes. Did he not watch the movie? Nobody has ever played that version around him? How did I hear it and he didn't LOL. Winter Warz at that point was his biggest achievement in life other than Chessboxin and that didn't spark any curiosity? 'hey, they added a part to my song' didn't pop up once in ....twenty five years?!
Imagine doing something that people keep tattooing on themselves, and you yourself aren't really interested in that thing. Dude I would stop lol.
Lmao at the bitching, the lying, the attempt at saving face.. pinnochio knows
Yea its that sinple if you wanna look at it with rose colored glasses. I look at it as an outsider paid dudes for one thing (not a wu album) and it turned into another thing (a wu album.. by one members blessing)Quote:
Originally Posted by Origin™
Produced beats
PAID rappers CILVARINGZ ALBUM money and got WU ALBUM verses for said money
Cosigned by 1/10 members
Packaged and sold to skreli cuz it couldnt be released traditionally
Nothing about this album is normal. Its not even real.
The fact ringz and guys like you try and make it this simple shows you lack the understanding of why this whole thing went to shit in the first place.
If yall cant see why 8/9 grown men have a problem because one dude they barely know somehow has gotten control over THEIR brand n controlling their destiny idk what to tell you
Cilvaringz is what pisses me off when non-Americans interact with Americans. At what point are you going to say 'eat a dick'. It's just something i've noticed in multiple spheres of life. The American will come with some belligerent shit, and the non-american will start rationalizing and explaining it. What are you even trying to explain? You pay someone for a job and they get mad they don't have ownership. When you were paying him did he ask 'a wutang compilation, interest, what direction are we taking this one?" "can I hear some of the other verses/songs?" "hey I got an idea, why don't we_______" I wasn't in the studio (lol) but I'm going to go ahead and say I know the answer to that.
These guys had issues with
touring with rage against the machine
every single one of their labels despite their lackluster output, work ethic and artistic focus
rza for making them rich
divine for trying to keep them organized
drake for making a song dedicated to them
hip hop media despite hip hop media being very favorable to them
what makes cilvarings making a H I S T O R I C W U T A N G A L B U M any different than anyone they've had beef with. Once they see you have
1. a plan
2. any semblance of authority
3. appreciation for wutang
they pounce. Drake made a song paying homage at the peak of his own career, they pounced. they were mis-represented, it was soft (even though, believe it or not, wutang has more RnB songs than Drake and I'm willing to say that's per capita), nobody consulted them. 50 cent insults half of them for a year straight and U-god is dickriding him and declaring him his favorite rapper ever chance he gets. When it's time to promote an album or work on it, they lack the curiosity to BE A PART OF YOUR OWN CREATIVE EFFORT, but when it's time to start gossiping and bitching the all get their voice. Clucking like a fucking duck.
Now he's writing a spicy tell all to shit on the only plate he can possibly eat off of so that the chinks in their armor can live forever. The fuck? Who's the bigger bird? The guy who made a museum history worthy moment for wutang, or the guy that's Wendy Williamsing his entire life story. Why does this guy always feel slighted? How the fuck has what he has and still has the liberty to casually email in his worth effort once a year? Ghost, Donna, and Gza are ok. MK would be ok until he didn't recognized Winter Warz lol. Have you seen these guys try to remember the titles of their own top 40 hits (as if they have more than 4)? It's unbelievable. Every chance u-god gets to be in the public eye he's bitching about some shit that's better than him
bruh, Jay-z used to beg Shyheim for features. Wtf did he see in life that still has you not understanding contracts and pay structures are 50!?
one dude they barely know has control of their brand? The fuck? Nigga, U-God can't name 3 songs on Forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForensikZ
are you sure these guys co-signed 36 chambers? method man himself said nobody gave a fuck when they were record wutang forever except ghost and rae. Makes life changing album, life changes, not interested in the follow-up. Does that sound like a sentient human being? Method man has never co-signed a single one of his own albums. He always hears all of them when I hear them LOL why? And he's probably the smartest one in the group. So take that into consideration when saying shit like the didn't co-sign it or they didn't get paid. If cilvarings was trying to make a compilation and it ended up selling for 2 million, shouldn't all of these beavers be trying to fuck with him more? LOL lets just say he completely soloed this shit. Wouldn't you think he has a second idea that might make at least a half a mill?
In what industry do you see someone spin up a 2 million dollar idea that you were paid for, then sideline that person in the name of 'your lawyers' who you PAY to argue with Rza for you? So fucking stupid. Now some asshole is using ODB's money to make 'dirty coin' because he kept impregnating very stupid women and has very stupid children.
I don't understand this small scale ass thinking. Bruh this world is huge. Get off that crumb shit.
bruh, why was cilvarings the only one with enough sense to make a wutang website? LOL When will the madness end? When the site was made with a pile of wutang fans in it, how many of them said, he, let me at least post my fucking album on there? I think i've seen Rza, and MK related ads. Priest if you count him. Rza (who owns the brand fuck all that other shit) has name the wutang brand open ended. Anyone can do what they want with it. U-gods only attempts to capitalize on it are putting a W on his concert posters, and writing a steamy tell all.
^^^TSA needs to go outside
Stop embarrassing yaself TSA. Ya breath smells like ringz snowballs
The reaching in here is crazy. According to ring, because wu members recorded and didnt know where the songs would end up, that makes it ok for him to do so.
Wu recorded for rza. their neighborhood friend. Not some sheisty euro cac who learned english watching iron eagle flicks who stalked them so long they agreed to say hello and has been using their name and brand as his own cuz rza likes him.
How does shit just go over yalls heads like this. What dont you understand.
Ringz is an OUTSIDER. Idc if rza calls him a killa bee or a wanna bee... he has no rights to the wutang brand and he took it on himself to do “what HE wants” with their brand.
Theres nothing to discuss. No excuawa are ever gonna ok this.
Had ringz from day 1 made his intentions clear he wouldnt be in this predicament.
But since its all about making money to him and not the art, thats how this crazy idea even happened in first place.
All ill say is this shit better be good cuz you done fooled us before. The guestlist to I anyone? Said wu was all iver his album and half the features were phone interludes. Its ALL for SALES. Idk who you think youre fooling but youre not fooling anybody (well anyone with a decent IQ, you can haveTSA)
And good thing ringz bought wucorp cuz if he didnt he wouldnt have a step into this hip hop game at all. Im pretty sure the wu dont give a fuck about social media and this forum hasnt done anything positive forbthek at all. Just makes wu fans look like a buncha euro cac white nerds like TSA
Talking bout guys cant remember their own songs so that means they dont know what they talking about? They have recorded 500 joints a piece, 50 yr old pot heads. You guys are dumb as fuck frfr
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Originally Posted by ForensikZ
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA TSA is not European. Not a "cac" and sure as hell isn't white... lmao this Forensikz dude has to be one of the dumbest people the internet has even had as a user.. Thank god you're not really involved in forensics lmao..
P.S You wish to god you were as black as TSA.. That dude is 100% pure african black meat you dummy.
Dudes obsessed with the skin pigment and calling people *cacs*
Wrong. I didnt do what I wanted, because I dont have the artistic nor legal right to call or define anything as Wu-Tang Clan, the guy who founded this whole thing does. I proposed an idea which some of them (Rae, Ghost, RZA, Killa) called brilliant, others were cool with (Meth, GZA), and others had concerns about (Deck, U-God) and this, you git, was done way before Forbes ever wrote a word about it. Maybe you should really read the book, then again, you just wanna be mad, like Meth... so stay mad. It's funny.
Also as you seem to be obessed with Ringz and know fuck all about the dude other than some imaginary shit you've made up in your bedroom talking to idiots online. How about some facts..
Also. Meth hates Ringz? He sure as hell didn't whilst he wwas touring the entire world with the dude.. Guess you didn't know about that either.. lol
Guess because I deal with facts though I must be a "cac" ahahaha.. It's deffo time that fucking idiot was banned.
“I teamed up with RPEG for n. e. representation and international business assistance in late 2002 when the company took on their first job which was an impressive world tour no other hip-hop artist had done before. I’ve been working with RPEG ever since on various projects ranging from productions to tours to network solutions and media relations. They’re an ambitious bunch that doesn’t know any limits and have certainly added their expertise to my work. RPEG is definitely the type of company you need on your team, next to your managers, to stretch your limits even further.” – RZA
They got paid for the verses. End of story. I still believe this was all great for the brand as a whole.
Fin
i dont think TSA even knows what side he is arguing for, that eddie winslow faggot is all over the place, just rambling on and making up incoherrent shit
what most people are over looking here is the ethics involved in this shit. only a few people like me and forensikz can see that this shit just wasnt right. nothing about it was right. and you got cilvaringz expecting us to believe his friends books, when he has done nothing but lied from the get go. its pretty hilarious
lol You lied to us for years about this album. Fuck off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
no one gives a fuck about some stupid forbes article you keep referencing. youre an unethical snake, end of storyQuote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
Maybe, does rza have the right to ask what are they going to do with it next?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rame
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Originally Posted by Origin™
youre really fucking stupid. Meth was touring for the money, not because he "wanted" to tour with cilvaringz
http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/ima...ons/icon14.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by RUSHING PLATYPUS
didn't this already happen in a 20+ page thread lol
You don't share a tour bus and rock stages with people you hate just because of the paper you dickhead, you think Ringz was the only avenue into the EU for tours?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brolic Child
Go watch the videos of the dudes touring. they were all good till this shit happened. And if they weren't and Meth was putting an act on for all those months he's just as shady as Ringz..
Anyway fuck this topic, exact same shit as the last thread lol.. Ringz should never of deleted the "it's coming" thread. I never agreed with any of that sneaky shit. But it is what it is.. This shits years old now.
The whole Wu camp are shady as fuck. all coning each other, suing each other, all kinds of snake shit.
LmaoQuote:
That dude is 100% pure african black meat you dummy
The purest of MEatZ
Could any other producer been approve to do this? DJ Premier, Alchemist...etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by ta12113
LOL, what about back in 1993. They would have said heck no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kanha
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Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
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Originally Posted by Origin™
look at this nut hugging, are you a grown man? disgusting!Quote:
Originally Posted by Origin™
of course origin calling for a ban cuz i speak NOTHING BUT TRUTH. that's the first things people who cant debate call for dealing with higher powers,
pasting fucking ringz press release done by rza are you fucking serious my dude? this is who im arguing with... yall are simple as FUCK its sad
i told yall last time, everytime this shit is mentioned i will make it clear what my thoyughts are on this album. once every 3 months i will say my peace and expand ont he information i hear STRAIGHT FROM THE WU.
ringz keep saying rae called it brilliant but WONT ACKNOWLEDGE RAE CALLED IT TACKY BUSINESS ON ONEOF THE BIGGEST PODCASTS IN HIP HOP.
so fuck off dude. i aint the one who HAS to explain myself everytime this shit comes up, i didnt come up with this dumb ass idea. all iwant is good music from wutang and some faggot went ahead and strung all of US along so he could make a buck. he knows noone likes him, he knows hes a snake. he knows hes literally a NOBODY in hiphop and his name couldnt generate a dollar but he used the wu to "have my art in museums". whaaaaaat. this is the user of all users. straight succubus for personal gain shit.
he keeps telling me to read HIS book.. i aint paying you a dollar to hear about an album I CANT HEAR. how fucking bougie and presumptuous are you that you think people will pay money to read about a making of an album THEY CANT HEAR that YOU made. who the fuck are you?
fuck outta here. you and your eteam can spin it anyway yall want, you been called out for this bullshit. the fact ringz wont acknowledge the criticisms from the recent radio interviews from meth, rae, ugod, cap and killa is telling. keep bringing up OLD shit when RECENT talk is the OPPOSITE. hide ya hand ass bum i wasnt born in europe
this album better be worth it. cuz all its done is cause problems within the clan and the base. you wanna be something your not and used rzas brand and the clans loyalty to that brand to make a name for yourself. museum music...picccassso paintings...rare art... by cilvaringz...
LMAO. FUCK OUTTA HERE, its embarrassing.
What debate are you talking about? There has never been a debate of what happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForensikZ
Everybody on this board has known what happened with this LP since the get go. You obviously missed the massive as fuck thread dedicated to it since it's inception as a Killa Priest lp..
I've shit on Ringz more than you ever have. Difference is I ain't got no feelings or bias towards dude. You're the one obessed with him
I'm a "nut hugger" for not agreeing with your bullshit? you're a clown my dude..
You need to be banned simply for the shit you talk to people. I dunno if your a troll or just stupid. Everybody on this board is a "euro cac whitey" according to all the insults you give out..
Half the people I seen you say that shit about are from the US and Black. you just dumb as fuck lol Calling people from Australia EURO cacs.. Your whole shit is boring as fuck.
Like I said before I was never down with the shady way the L.P progressed, especially because of the "It's Coming" thread, and the contribution everybody on this board put into the subject of building the ultimate Wu lp for the fans.
Lets just end this shit I ain't wasting anymore time on it.
Anyway.. Peace..
https://m.popkey.co/9aa974/Ja0ZQ.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
You are right Ringz. I was trying to be a bit more diplomatic. Instead of saying,Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
"If Cilvaringz is the architect, recording verses, switching up beats, not involving the other members in the decision making process regarding this or that - then it’s not ok, because it’s not Rza."
I should have said...
"If Cilvaringz is the architect, recording verses, switching up beats, not involving the other members in the decision making process regarding this or that - then it’s not ok, because it’s Cilvaringz."
If I am correct then you are implying that the issue wasn't so much that Rza wasn't the main creative force, but rather that you were, because if it had been anybody else (True Master, Ghostface, Mathematics, 4th Disciple), then it would have been more acceptable to both the group members, and to the hardcore fans.
Personally I think that's its a mixture of both sentiments, depending on whom you are dealing with.
Crash and burning again. Top kek.
awesome !!!! Well said my dude my loyal wu fan. You spoke for me too !!! Peace my dudeQuote:
Originally Posted by forensikz
Thing is, we did actually. I've had a long ass chat with pretty much every Clan member about this before we even announced a thing. I didn't discuss the 88 years thing though. Thought it would be a minor clause which ended up being a headline and I think that's when sentiments started changing. Cause the first 8 months after the original announcement there wasn't really any beef about this record from anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by ta12113
But lets be fair here, I'm just here to kinda get entertained by winding the same people up. Four years on, and some of the same folks are still butthurt.. and it's entertaining to me. Sorry, not fair. I'm in it for the next four if yall are though. But who would've thought ey? The most expensive album in the world, beats the world record held by the Beatles and Elvis, ending up in the hands of Lucifer himself and then being seized by Trump's federal government after the FBI and the House Of Representatives tweeted about it and Congress questioned about it... somebody give me a movie deal already.
But let’s get to the meat here. If someone buys it in a federal auction they can do whatever the fuck they want with it?
of course not
Who here already expected Ringz to say how the album can't be given now that the government has it.
He's the only one saying stuff but RZA and Co I haven't so :p.
Gov is gonna have fun.
Do you know the laws regarding disclosures of USG auctions? I would suspect that if it does get auctioned, that either the bidding and/or final sale price would be made public?
Everybody keeps throwing the 2M number around, but as far as I can recall that’s never been confirmed. Please correct me if I am mistaken. In fact I thought Ringz stated somewhere that it was considerably off.