Cilvaringz
It's not an 'iconic record' LOL. It isn't. It can't possibly be. It's a stupid, bullshit, here today, gone tomorrow gimmick news story and you're welcome to the credit.
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Cilvaringz
It's not an 'iconic record' LOL. It isn't. It can't possibly be. It's a stupid, bullshit, here today, gone tomorrow gimmick news story and you're welcome to the credit.
How is the record Iconic if no one will ever have a chance to listen? Just a simple question...
Yeah this ^. I always call it an “album”. Music is meant to be heard. So to me, it basically doesn’t exist. Ringz calls it iconic because he got Twitter hits and mentioned on CNN. At least that’s my take. In the words of Joe Pesci, “it is what it is”. Peace
It's an iconic record in the sense that the record is globally known and talked about without the essence of it, the music, being known. Ask pretty much any artist about Wu-Tang's single copy album, and they'll know about it. Ask any industry person, entertainment lawyers, art people, and they'll know about it. Ask them about about The Saga Continues and / or A Better Tomorrow... pretty sure you won't get the same response. And it didn't start being all about me, it was a group effort to begin with. But now, sure I don't mind it at all being about me. And that 'music is meant to be heard' argument is old and tired. Throw that same argument at 4th Disciple for his unreleased vault or RZA's, or Dre's.
Not at all my friend. 'Here today, gone tomorrow' applies to countless other records, not this one. This is still being talked about and it's 5 years on. I can tell the press tomorrow what the Department Of Justice told me on Monday and I'll have a whole new press round like that. Easy. Try that with another record.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShaDynasty
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Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
That's my shit!
Music is meant to be heard will never be old and tired. If it wasn’t for music being heard u wouldn’t be “Cilvaringz”, this site wouldn’t exist, single copy to Martin wouldn’t be sold, etc. All this stuff comes from Wu’s music. So that I will never switch sides on. Peace
You're being disingenuous. The fame or press you got from this thing is all about the gimmick, the idea, the marketing or whatever you want to call it, not the record itself. You could have recorded Corey Feldman farting in a bathtub, said it was an unreleased Michael Jackson record and still sold it to some psychopath with more money than sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
I wanted to say some mean things here lol but I'm going to keep it civil. I'm just gonna say come back down to earth.
Release some actual music, people will respect that. You're a smart guy - you can figure out a way to make it profitable, you have a little fame now, its an ideal time for you to produce an album for one rapper or another, maybe outside of Wu if that's your only option.
OUATIS is just a publicity stunt. Nobody care about this album except the medias because they like these gimmicks. But the public don’t give a fuck. At best they hate the idea. that’s it.
No one talks about OUATIS anymore, not even the media is giving a shit now.
well than lets talk about OUATISMX . anyone ......Quote:
Originally Posted by hotnikks
http://wutangloyalty.blogspot.com/
Wow thanks for the reply. Don't get me wrong but for me as a Wu fan this album is kind of fake Wu album not because nobody's able to hear it but because 1) it's not produced by RZA but by you and because to me there's might be a grain of truth when the Generals said they didn't know about it. I'm saying it again, I'm not blaming you cause you had the vision and you did what you thought was right at the moment. But you said that "brothers can't make their minds up and it looks like they're happy to ride the wave when positive" but to be honest I don't remember them bragging and talking about it. As far as I can remember you said they didn't know what they were recording until it was almost done so for me it ruled out it to be called a real Wu album.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
Secondly, the album was sold in May 2015 and it was announced it was Martin Skreli in December that year. But Meth was bashing it already in March calling it stupid https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment...06-13wtxk.html
As I said I don't give a fuck how it sounds anymore. I don't believe it sounds close to those earliest records but I wish you well and I'm happy it worked out for you. That Wu family's acting like babies if they refuse to work with you for that album imho
They didn't know what we were recording, because we didn't know.. It was recordings over 6 years. RZA and I explained that quite a lot of times. But when we put the tracks together it was sounding like a Clan album, so we called the Clan, told them the idea, and they were down and badda bing badda boom. Method Man bashed the 88 year non commercialisation clause because he was told wrongly about what it was. In that same interview you can hear him say he was down with the idea in the beginning. Fake Wu album cause it's not RZA but me, fine, I'll take that. Even though RZA co-produced about 5 tracks on there with me I think. But again, fine. You don't remember brothers talking about it? Didn't I just post links to brothers talking about it ?????
Whats the use of recording a dope album putting in all the hard effort if nobody will ever hear it? Life is too short for this kinda bullshit. Im sure most Clan members would agree with me except for RZA he is on another planet dimension.
Cilva, I ain't holding no grudge and you shouldn't too. That's just my opinion of it. You know them personally, you worked on it and you know its value. I'm just a fan. I believe that they were happy beforehand but later they changed their mind cause the media didn't like the buyer of itQuote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
I don't know how many track RZA co-produced and since we haven't really seen the tracklist we'll never know. If it's a Wu-Tang album, that's fine with me. If we're never gonna hear it. Still fine. If it leaks somehow (and I believe it'll happen sooner or later) that's fine. I'm gonna listen to it then
Yeah. I get the idea of devaluation of music cause people don't buy music anymore but art is to be admired. There's a one copy of Mona Lisa and it's one and only, irreplaceable but you have millions of copies of it sold around the world so people could appreciate it. To me, it would be better if the single copy of the album was sold to a person and after, let's say, few years the album was put on streaming or something so people still could listen to it and appreaciate but without having it psychicallyQuote:
Originally Posted by hotnikks
The album can’t leak because it’s full of uncleaned samples.
this one by example : https://youtu.be/VAZsf8mTf
if the album leak then cilvaringz and the clan will be sued everywhere.
Doesn't matter. It's still possbile that someone will put his hands on it and leak it. And if it leaks and is noncommercial then nobody will do anything. Sometimes old tracks that couldn't be put on albums leak and nobody can do nothing if it can't be monetized
It was monetized and sold for 2 million dollars.
Thats the issue, so even if it gets leaked they might get sued.Quote:
Originally Posted by Antonelli
That’s the main reason why cilvaringz put the 88 years clause.
Again, you’re talking nonsense. If you’d read the book you’d understand that the 88 year non-commercialization clause served 4 purposes.
1. We were a year ahead, without a sale. So we needed a new press cycle which was the MoMa exhibition + announcement of the 88 year thing. The 88 year restriction was easily going to get us a new press cycle.
2. When something in that price range doesn’t sell, you don’t lower its price like your last 2 kilos of tomatoes, but rather increase its value. You can do that through two things, either raise the price which we couldn’t do because the sales format was set to be a closed envelope bidding, so you then do something with its exclusivity. Making it unavailable to the rest outside the buyer has that effect. 88 years ties into the Wu-Tang numerology, and the next century angle serves an additional marketing strategy of conveying that number.
3. We were getting a bunch of offers, up in the 5 mil but all attached with a commercial angle. To communicate that this was not a pompous record release strategy but a genuine concept about the state, value and definition of music as art, we needed to put a stop to the commercial requests for the album. 88 years did just that.
4. The final and most important purpose was post101, or Plan B as we referred to in the book. Should the album not sell, I’d trigger an elaborate play of theatre through which the 88 year restriction would be circumvented by a ‘fake’ buyer who’d be working for us and somehow find a very clever loophole to the restrictions and get the album released. That plan is described in full in the book. The album however sold, and against everyone’s advice, I convinced Martin to play out the theatrics anyway which he did, but went too far with it. If you remember the calling me RZA’s lapdog interview etc etc, all that was a plan for release put into motion. But Martin proved unreliable and overexcited and went too far. Luckily, he was arrested on the day he was about to do something really stupid.
So there, the four purposes of the 88 year restriction.
Yo I gotta read that book lol
Shit seems interesting
The book wouldn’t have been picked up by some highly prominent film producers and streaming service 1 year prior to its release, in PDF form, if it wasn’t an amazing story. Everything that played out behind the scenes is what made the story extra crazy.
Has anynone on this forum actually read the book?
Going to have to check for it at Barnes And Noble.
yeah I bought and read it. in all honesty it was a good readQuote:
Originally Posted by hotnikks
peace
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Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
at least he's finally admitted to it. The arrogance of acting as if it's been anything other than a fame/money grab this whole time is probably what irks most Wu fans. I don't think anybody would disagree it that it didnt immensely benefit Cilva on a personal level. You see - zero percent of this is about actually creating art, being an artist, and putting out a product that garners respect. He produced and sold a story, not an album. Then he wonders why Wu-Tang fans don't respect him. And while the story sets him apart from other 'artists' yet doesn't have enough industry respect to even give out his beats for free. Laughable.Quote:
Yeah, all about YOU, that's not how I have understood Wu.
You got some fame and will never be known for making any memorable music, congratulations. Sounds like a true 'artist.'
He found a way to get famous off the back of artists who actually got famous from making legendary art and it worked better than expected. That'll be his legacy. Just don't get all defensive when people call it a non Wu-Tang, fake album.
lmao @ music career and artist when you dont have any music to provideQuote:
At least in my musical career I did something that resonated globally and is forever remembered by peers, media and the common folk. That alone is worth having as an accolade, especially as an artist.
for all intents and purposes you sold two blank disks and a story, assuming nobody will ever hear it
Hope that interpretation of events works for ya mate. *D
And I'm not famous. And I don't mind if people call it a fake Wu-Tang album, cause I simply don't care and you shouldn't either.
Yooo, word! This. Then all this increase value, press cycle, commercial angle, 😀 yoooo Cilva sounds like Shrek himselfQuote:
Originally Posted by Mumm Ra
Please don’t turn this into another 15 page OUATIS thread! lol
@ Cilva....do you still speak to Rza?
^ he said he had talked to him 2 days ago
Dom,
Stop talkin shit and make more bangerz like this:
Dom Pachino - Problem Child
Dom Pachino needs to put out some more heat.
Ya'll can hate him all you want, but you can't front that a cilvaringz produced sunz of man album would have killed everything . Sometimes i wonder about certain things, i wonder if some affiliates even google themselves, pick the brains of fans they meet at shows and try to know what works/ what doesn't. I'm saying, i don't have to like a dude but if im an artist, making product i am going to sell. MAKING PRODUCT I HOPE WOULD YIELD A PROFIT, i am putting ego aside and i'm going for that shit. Its one thing to side with "your peoples" but if your bills aren't getting paid and you are missing out on opportunity to actually expand, i may have to be neutral and secure the bag. lets be honest, wu fans would eat up any sunz album with grungy dusty wu esque production.
this is a missed opportunity of epic proportions of i have ever seen one...............
I always make a point to directly tell Wu members or any hip hop artist I meet what their fans are looking for and to check social media and online reviews and get a feel for their audience. The Wu fan base is small these days, especially for affiliates, so they need to be particularly cognizant of what will keep their fans satiated..
If brothers knew their own success formula, the Wu and its world would still be king today in the sense of presence as they were in the 90s. Not saying I'M that formula, but you know what I mean. Me and LA have been talking. Who knows...
ironically, a guy who seems to understand that to the fullest. a guy who will rep the w to the fullest, do his side shit but when its time to put out albums, goes right back to what made him go gold in the first place, notice that every leaked track of his based on his upcoming projects are reminiscent of heist of the century because he understands the fans expectation of him. i also love how he is careful not to associate his wu connection to his aphiliates ventures. its almost like a double life in the game,and he does it well because he UNDERSTANDS THE BUSINESS OF THE GAME. thats probably why he is still one of the few affiliates that did well for himself to this dayQuote:
Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
Couldn't agree more Radio.
They don't, it's been like this since 2005...you'll have to keep bugging them about it in order for them to even THINK about it. These guys probably aren't interested in that sound anymore. Trying to make things happen their "own" way.Quote:
Originally Posted by RADIOACTIVE MAN