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very insightful post, thanks for sharing

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Originally Posted by TSA

I think the China will benefit the US by providing a 'boogey man' that islam and communism can be anymore. The existence of a globally agreed boogeyman allows the US to do its primary foreign policy objective of being more deeply entrenched in the various regions of the world, especially at points vital to it's own trade. People in countries like Vietnam are genuinely of the belief that China will take over their country or attempt to very soon. Non-Chinese Asia has never been this open to a strong US presence in history, all due to the boarder disputes you stated and the region knowing how much of a bastard a strong China is historically.

But as far as 'stopping' or 'slowing down' or even containing China, the Chinese are playing a game that I don't believe the US is equip to understand because a lot of how we understand the world is based on an outdated WWII model that won't go away. At the same time, China can't fight and will probably never be good at fighting. It will have all the instruments to fight well possible and will make a habit of letting everyone know 'what they can do' but China can't fight. I was watching this thing where they were talking about China's military history and why they haven't won or concluded a war favorably in almost 100 years.

One of the reasons that the mainland has to play careful with Taiwan. I couldn't imagine a situation where Hawaii was semi independent and the US couldn't just 'retake it' if necessary, but the mainland is actually very afraid of making a bold move in any direction because an embarrassment will be catastrophic to the ppl in power and losing positioning can mean death.
If a war happens, whoever in power is immediately shaking the table too much and risks losing their positioning. Then they have that dumb ass lemmings culture where nobody wants to say inconvenient truths to power. Then there's the risk of a loss or a prolonged war causing resource issues that will stoke internal dissent (all the CCP cares about).

Everything it's doing right now -I believe- is to retake Taiwan and Co, and rewrite the boarders of Asia favorably as well as eliminating the potential for internal strife because China << CCP on the priority list. That works in the US's favor because global criminals allow you to be the global police. The US won't want to curtail China but they will protect the perception that they can and want to.

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Good post, TSA. I think it's fair to say that it's "China's Time".

France is shitting itself over this AUKUS pact.

France is shitting itself because we pulled out of an $90bn agreement of course they are pissed off.

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Originally Posted by ShaDynasty

Zooruka, its not that simple.

If you do business with China you're basically cosigning human rights violations, no freedom of speech, genocide, and further expansion of China's influence in the surrounding area, which in the long term won't benefit Australia.

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Yeah because Australia's own human rights record is in such good standing isn't it?

I hate the Chinese but they had a point when they started pointing the finger back at Australia and if they wanted to they could cripple our economy; the Europeans and Americans here don't realise how much or economy is reliant on doing business with China nor how tense the situation with China has been for what, 2-3 years now? It's easy to say fuck China don't do business with them from the other side of the world and a lot different when you're a brock micropenis length away from a country that hates us who are steadily developing relations with China who we are pissing off

Lol my local council where I grew up in is so heavily dominated by Chinese migrants that the CCP tell them what to do: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-...ation/10962226 You are grossly mistaken if you think it's in Australia's best interest to piss the Chinese off

What's the country that hates you? New Z-Land?

Indonesia. Kiwis hate us but like 750,000 of them live here when they have <5m total population so it says a lot about them

Conversely, do many Aussies live in NZ?

Serious question, I have no idea. Didn't know about the kiwis in Australia either.

I did hear about extended weekend shopping trips from kiwis to big Australian cities (when I was holidaying in NZ). That kinda took me by surprise too. But it's understandable, it's not like NZ has any really big cities (except Auckland)

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Originally Posted by The Hound

Yeah because Australia's own human rights record is in such good standing isn't it?

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These things are relative. China's worse.

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Originally Posted by The Hound

I hate the Chinese but they had a point when they started pointing the finger back at Australia and if they wanted to they could cripple our economy; the Europeans and Americans here don't realise how much or economy is reliant on doing business with China nor how tense the situation with China has been for what, 2-3 years now? It's easy to say fuck China don't do business with them from the other side of the world and a lot different when you're a brock micropenis length away from a country that hates us who are steadily developing relations with China who we are pissing off

Lol my local council where I grew up in is so heavily dominated by Chinese migrants that the CCP tell them what to do: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-...ation/10962226 You are grossly mistaken if you think it's in Australia's best interest to piss the Chinese off

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I didn't say it was in Australia's best interests. I said its not as simple as zooruka was saying.

Is the party gonna save Evergrande? If the company tanks tge housing market will quiet down some in China. But it will als have severe repercussions on both national and the international economy. It'll be interesting to see how the party proceeds

In retrospect maybe we should have seen the dip in the Chinese economy coming, taking into account how top soccer clubs in China have been tanking over the last year (and before). the money from the captains of industry isn't there anymore

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-58854081

Gross.

This could so easily lead to a war.

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But Mr Xi's remarks on Saturday were more conciliatory than his last major intervention on Taiwan in July, where he pledged to "smash" any attempts at formal Taiwanese independence.

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Wow. No surprise there.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc...a-59210417.amp

Lol

I wonder what the Chinese version of Patton looks like.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-59592347

I know people in the 1980s thought Japan was going to conquer the world or something (I forgot what my Boomer dad said to me), and now they have the same fear with China. Except this time, China is basically a superpower already. Not sure what's wrong with being #2 for a change. Let someone else have a turn

^ Because China bans free speech and encroaches on the freedoms of the surrounding countries. Its a totalitarian system where the individual has no say.

They've been engaged in the genocide of uyghur muslims for several years, which is the main reason the west is taking (an unfortunately minor) stance against them.

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Originally Posted by ShaDynasty

^ Because China bans free speech and encroaches on the freedoms of the surrounding countries. Its a totalitarian system where the individual has no say.

They've been engaged in the genocide of uyghur muslims for several years, which is the main reason the west is taking (an unfortunately minor) stance against them.

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But what’s your point?

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Originally Posted by Goldenchild

I know people in the 1980s thought Japan was going to conquer the world or something (I forgot what my Boomer dad said to me), and now they have the same fear with China. Except this time, China is basically a superpower already. Not sure what's wrong with being #2 for a change. Let someone else have a turn

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Wow, it's almost like there has to be an overblown, idiotic hyperventilation about a foreign country every generation for no fucking reason other than to keep the news spicy and make politicians' and 'think tank' jobs seem more necessary and important.

SMH. Japan are pacifist and only want to sell you videogames. Not the same thing.

China has always been a "sleeping giant" type country, so I'm not surprised that they're heading toward #1. Big land mass, huge population, lots of money, strong military, etc. Not saying that's good for the world, but I'm not surprised by this at all. I don't even think people care about the Muslims they're killing. It's mostly about pride, and I guess seeing "yellow people" become a superpower is scary to some folks. Either way, China won't affect me personally. Just stay on their good side

It’s funny how people view things.

This dude above me just said it might be weird for people to see “yellow people” become a superpower.

What does any of that even mean? I dont know where golden child is from but it’s either a coastal American city or some Western European fuckhole that’s turned into a lockdown medical dictatorship.

People from those places have this weird way of seeing the world. Did he actually just try to assign western style victimhood to the most populous country in the world that has a rich and illustrious history?

I'm from the Midwest, bouncing from Wisconsin to Iowa to Minnesota. I don't know why you took one sentence so personally lol

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Originally Posted by Goldenchild

I'm from the Midwest, bouncing from Wisconsin to Iowa to Minnesota. I don't know why you took one sentence so personally lol

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Makes sense now.

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Originally Posted by Dooch

Makes sense now.

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It doesn't, since you called him put on your preconceived notion , but it didn't add up.

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Originally Posted by b-dolo

It doesn't, since you called him put on your preconceived notion , but it didn't add up.

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You got business to air our with me, take it to the pork you putz.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...let-stand-news

https://www.ft.com/content/0239ecd9-...7-ab93df3ceb0f

Foxconn is in talks of leaving China. I recall Tim Cook saying that the main reason why Apple wants Chinese and other southeast Asians making iPhones is because of their skill set. Hmm. Perhaps labor is cheaper there and it'll be no worries of unions forming.

I won't be surprised if Amazon relocates all of their warehouses to southeast Asian because of unions.

^that's very likely and makes sense.

I saw something the other day that really stood out. Someone said the US is using Ukraine as a testing grounds for a new type of war. US recruitment numbers are at an all time low, popularity of the military is lower, it's harder to control info flow and the US's biggest weakness in battle is opinion at home. The US is trying a new type of war where they find conflict spots, preferrably one where an overwhelming aggressor attacks a weaker neighbor. Then they get their military industrial complex rocks off by funding the weaker nation and using logistics and tech to keep the war as a constant standstill with no clear winner. Another way to funnel tax money into private money. It's also a good way to test new weapons and weapons systems while assessing the capabilities of opponent nations. Failure from the overwhelming force to break through can - as history shows - lead to internal regime change as well.


If that's the case, the areas around China are about to be on fire for the next 20 years. China is a perfect candidate for overwhelming aggressor, and is generally incompetent militarily despite it's presumed (and real) strength which makes it perfect for 'stand-still' wars. It also has boarder despites with all of its neighbors.

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Originally Posted by TSA

^that's very likely and makes sense.

I saw something the other day that really stood out. Someone said the US is using Ukraine as a testing grounds for a new type of war. US recruitment numbers are at an all time low, popularity of the military is lower, it's harder to control info flow and the US's biggest weakness in battle is opinion at home. The US is trying a new type of war where they find conflict spots, preferrably one where an overwhelming aggressor attacks a weaker neighbor. Then they get their military industrial complex rocks off by funding the weaker nation and using logistics and tech to keep the war as a constant standstill with no clear winner. Another way to funnel tax money into private money. It's also a good way to test new weapons and weapons systems while assessing the capabilities of opponent nations. Failure from the overwhelming force to break through can - as history shows - lead to internal regime change as well.


If that's the case, the areas around China are about to be on fire for the next 20 years. China is a perfect candidate for overwhelming aggressor, and is generally incompetent militarily despite it's presumed (and real) strength which makes it perfect for 'stand-still' wars. It also has boarder despites with all of its neighbors.

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This is deep.

Aint that what Americas always done? Usually trying to do something with politics but the military industrial complex has been coined in the 50s. Everybody knows its a cash cow and testing ground

China is goofy. The only western movie they deem acceptable to the masses is the new avatar which probably sucks

yes, one of the many things, but now they're going to double down on it and easy up on the other methods. Typically it's 2 sides and the US backs the side that benefits it, but now it's just going to back whichever one is weaker and deliberate stoke conflicts in zones with an off power balance. That's different from Saudia Arabia v. Iran or Israel v Palenstine etc.

Half of next year's budget is for defense spending. 858 billion to be exact. They have everyone caught up in culture wars while they funnel public tax money to private contractors. The majority of the people here are under mind control so it will never change.

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Originally Posted by b-dolo

Half of next year's budget is for defense spending. 858 billion to be exact. They have everyone caught up in culture wars while they funnel public tax money to private contractors. The majority of the people here are under mind control so it will never change.

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Yeah. The defense budget is always huge. A few billion would be good for another round of stimulus checks due to high inflation.

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Originally Posted by b-dolo

Half of next year's budget is for defense spending. 858 billion to be exact. They have everyone caught up in culture wars while they funnel public tax money to private contractors. The majority of the people here are under mind control so it will never change.

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50? damn lol.
maybe a response to the recession, but that's really pathetic. Democrats are now the war party which is one of the reasons I stopped taking all of politics seriously.

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Originally Posted by TSA

50? damn lol.
maybe a response to the recession, but that's really pathetic. Democrats are now the war party which is one of the reasons I stopped taking all of politics seriously.

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With Russia invading countries and hacking oil companies, I'd say some of the money is necessary. The DOA requested $28.5 billion, NASA requested $26 billion, education requested $88.3 billion (where is this money going because I never see it), and $127.3 billion requested by HHS.

Meanwhile, people are starving and struggling.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...UoEHSW1e4xg0Ma

Tensions are rising b/w USA and China. 60 Minutes had a piece regarding each country's Navy. China Navy is increasing in size while the USA's Navy ships are getting older and decommissioned.

TikTok is in jeopardy. Lol. Good

TikTok is the worst thing China has done so far. I can excuse the other stuff