What is a Black Supremists to you?
Do Black supremists even exsist?
Is supremecy a thought or an action?
And..how would you know it when you see it if it is a thought?
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What is a Black Supremists to you?
Do Black supremists even exsist?
Is supremecy a thought or an action?
And..how would you know it when you see it if it is a thought?
Doesn not go together..
i am going to have a seizure if i keep reading these threads
Damn Race--Its all about class. It just so happens that poor folk are predominately people of color.
yeah LHX--I have to agree there are just to many racism threads.
the issue of class is an abstraction of the race issue. the ones who have impoverish the ones with color have done this around the world. so this can't be a class by itself. its a class of race. which race is the better class to educate the world as to the lifestyle/culture to follow/adopt for the fulfillment of what they wish/want out of life. what kind of ideology is getting espoused from this race that puts color people in the poor house while they sit atop the riches and forever steepen the hill to reach the top. saying this is just a class issue is about marginalizing how they live which is policed by politics about race. this society was built/founded on the race issue - class was whether first or second citizen, but then no seconds they were slaves.Quote:
Originally Posted by inchrgofmine
why are the poor predominantly of color ? i doubt they want to be yet this is something that has happened around the world throughout history the whites have gone and instilled a class system based off race. implanting a politic to divide that given society to conquer the people's minds.
would Mugabe be considered a black supremist?
I don't know much about Mugabe...I got this from wikpedia. What about him is supremist?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...avezMugabe.jpg
Although President Mugabe encounters considerable opposition from the West, he has strong support throughout governments of the third world. Above,Venezuela PresidentHugo Chávez embraces Mugabe during the 60th anniversary celebrations of the United Nation's Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) in RomeOctober 17, 2005 At the event, Mugabe and Chávez both denounced the United States and other capitalist countries for trying to dominate the world, invading Iraq and Afghanistan, seeking to impose capitalism in other countries, and blamed them for world poverty and hunger.
[QUOTE=Aqueous Moon]I don't know much about Mugabe...I got this from wikpedia. What about him is supremist?QUOTE]
he is for kicking out and displacing whites reclaiming the landf for blacks and has a sense of duty to his people where the 'west' is now trying to lambast him as 'morally' evil for just those actions. also for the fact he is siding with third world countries against the policies the 'west' uses against third world countries which the 'west' double back on. example trade and loans - loans will never be paid off as the goods that they export are not helped at the markets for the 'west' doles out subsidies to their farmers which hurt the ones in third world countries. it would be like the natives in amerikkka taking back the land and kicking out whites. would that not be justice?
That's fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by LHX
history is written by the victors and the earth cries out from the blood of the losers whose voices are not heard/told about in the books. the myths/legend of history have some truth since most tell the same accounts though they are widespread across the globe. remember world history didn't start six thousand years with adam and eve. for that is regulated as the start of the times we are living end. the times of the white man's rule. the times before the world according to the bible were different and not so alluded to with mysteries that no one can explain.
Are you suggeting here that the "white man'" has been ruling for 6,000 years?Quote:
remember world history didn't start six thousand years with adam and eve. for that is regulated as the start of the times we are living end. the times of the white man's rule.
he came into existence around six thousand years ago and was kicked out from the societies that have writen about his appearance. the bible is a record of the white man from his appearance to his downfall. you can read the book from the original man to the whiteman: making of the whiteman by paul l guthrie. it tells of traditions in which the white man came was kicked out for two thousand years then his reappearance and the subsequent times that have come into being. the accounts range from the egyptians the dravidians the tibetan buddhists and even the acoounts of a greek historians account of the peoples writings about the people who had 'white'skin as opposed the ones who had more golden tones.
so to answer shortly yes.
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Originally Posted by dif de la rev
Coming into existence and ruling are two different things....but I'll read the rest to see if you have answered my specific question.
Explain what you mean by "of" the white man.Quote:
the bible is a record of the white man
Written by....?Quote:
from his appearance
They had many downfalls which do you speak of?Quote:
to his downfall.
I've read it, some of it is good information some of it is bullshit. Or would you say that it stands alone as an infallible document?Quote:
you can read the book from the original man to the whiteman: making of the whiteman by paul l guthrie. it tells of traditions in which the white man came was kicked out for two thousand years then his reappearance and the subsequent times that have come into being. the accounts range from the egyptians the dravidians the tibetan buddhists and even the acoounts of a greek historians account of the peoples writings about the people who had 'white'skin as opposed the ones who had more golden tones.
White men were not even ruling the Americas 600 years ago. Show and Prove how they have been ruling for 6,000 years.Quote:
so to answer shortly yes.
it seems that you arwe looking for an argument for you have taken a stance against what i wrote. so you must take offense at the statement for you seem to be defending the 'white' man against my accusations. this isn't a religious or spiritual discussion but one of politics. so if you are mouthing in their defence then i have no objection then to not bump heads over a political disagreement.
question: is there any record they have where in their advancement around the globe since the days of greeco-roman where they have gone/come in peace or have wars strife and pestilence been the main result.
fuck
this whole mess really sucks dick
the white man cant even rule his own household
yet
somehow he is leading the planet into ruin
Total shit.
this thread is titled hip hop and racism. that entails politics as to whether there is a form of racism in hip hop either from the people who started or has/is racism being injected through the selling/marketing and branding of the music. is racism stereotyping th music in hip hop? does racism fuel such artist to talk about killing a 'white' devil? even though whites are the main funders to the hip hop culture and take on the lifestyle can they be said to kinow what is being felt by the rappers within ? remember hip hop was not in the suburds nor a culture fortune 500 regarded as being prpofitable or even a lifespan this long ? like busta rhymes said there are more people getting rich of this music thsat don't evern like it. hip hop became coporatized which killed the street ethics and made it something that could be packaged ask any a&r where it could be co opted and now you have kids conforming to what look hard be down get cool points?
I took a stance not only against what you wrote, but against what others obviously feel as well regarding the same "whitte man ruling for 6,000 years".Quote:
Originally Posted by dif de la rev
Forums whether in the world, or on the internet are set up with the express purpose to conversate, build, and occasionaly arguements arise. Now, did I start an arguement with you or did I ask you a direct question?
I take offense at lies, yes. But please explain how me saying it's BULLSHIT that the white man ruled for 6,000 years is "defending" him? Let us know how you came to THIS conclusion and the logic behind it.Quote:
so you must take offense at the statement for you seem to be defending the 'white' man against my accusations.
See above.Quote:
this isn't a religious or spiritual discussion but one of politics. so if you are mouthing in their defence then i have no objection then to not bump heads over a political disagreement.
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question: is there any record they have where in their advancement around the globe since the days of greeco-roman where they have gone/come in peace or have wars strife and pestilence been the main result.
I don't thunk you're in a position at this time to ask me a question when you still fail to answer the simple basic question that I posed to you, which was:
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White men were not even ruling the Americas 600 years ago. Show and Prove how they have been ruling for 6,000 years.
they had have first devise a system to which exploit the other peoples that they have. first develope a culture and society that affirms and conforms to that. they have no record except that they came from the caucus mountains . from that their is the detirioration of the civilizations from egypt to the indus valley in india. after which we get the greeks with the philosophical sciences and arts of math and science. while in the indus valley the first caste system is started bu these 'aryans' from the mid-east.
the first crusades the taking of the cultures from egypt and indus valley. the second crusades the roman empire in their expansion and assimilating of those they conquered. the third crusade the christians against the muslims for jerusalem. each 'crusade' was not just a evolutionary step in the progress of his (white mans) means of civilization but was through the force of war upon those who resisted their culture and society and values it espoused.
as to their rule they had to from the pillaging and raping of other cultures get their backyard in order (see africa and mid east). remember they thought world was flat. they had a society of the alpha male the man on top the king ruler for self not the people perpetuated through a feudal system from which they had to politicize to an orderly system. they came this way by thinking they could get east. the system of their ideological developement took epochs to become something that they could package as opposite from the ledgend of remus and romulus suckling at a wolf's tit to being the clean cut ambassadors for truth and justice.
They mos def were in the Caucasus, but they didn't invade no ancient Egypt or ancient India from there.Quote:
except that they came from the caucus mountains . from that their is the detirioration of the civilizations from egypt to the indus valley in india.
The Greeks came a good amount of time AFTER the invasions that you allude to when you said "the detirioration of the civilizations from egypt to the indus valley".Quote:
after which we get the greeks
And are you saying that the Greeks/Whites had to RECONQUER these same lands you mentioned? Because according to history it was ALEXANDER THE GREEK and them who conquered these lands and set off their rulership.
Aryans from the Mid-East?? Source?Quote:
while in the indus valley the first caste system is started bu these 'aryans' from the mid-east.
Crusade implies HOLY WAR. What is your source that these supposed wars that you mention (Caucasians taking of Egypt and India) had a so-called religous purpose?Quote:
the first crusades the taking of the cultures from egypt and indus valley.
See above.Quote:
the second crusades the roman empire in their expansion
How can you mention Christians going against Muslims for Jerusalem, and not FIRST mention it was Muslims who FIRST went against Christians for the very same city?Quote:
and assimilating of those they conquered. the third crusade the christians against the muslims for jerusalem.
Anyway, YES those wars (the major Crusades) had to do with caucasians, but NOT on the Christian side.
The Seljuk Turks were Caucasians. HahaQuote:
First Crusade
Full article: First Crusade
After Byzantine emperor Alexius I called for help with defending his empire against the Seljuk Turks, in 1095 at the Council of Clermont Pope Urban II called upon all Christians to join a war against the Turks, a war which would count as full penance. Crusader armies marched to Jerusalem, sacking several cities on their way. In 1099, they took Jerusalem and massacred the population. As a result of the First Crusade, several small Crusader states were created, notably the Kingdom of Jerusalem. Following this crusade there was a second, unsuccessful wave of crusaders, the Crusade of 1101.
Certain whites did use the term, but that was later in history, and not during the time period you suggest. (which was the alleged Caucasians taking of Egypt and India, Greeks and Romans)Quote:
each 'crusade' was not just a evolutionary step in the progress of his (white mans) means of civilization but was through the force of war upon those who resisted their culture and society and values it espoused.
are you implying that the cultures of egypt and india were never touched by the white man ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maboya
let's just say we don't agree and that you won't change me to go with your program/agenda of thinking by dissecting it into splitting hairs.
Obviously they had to travel. But that still doesn't prove they traveled from the Caucasus, because history records that they were coming from Greek lands.Quote:
no, they had have traveled to get there
http://www3.la.psu.edu/courses/image...20conquest.jpg
What about that book?Quote:
yes but then have you read stoilen legacy
And how are Caucasians from the Caucasus conquering these lands that not even the GREEKS had conquered yet? Seeing as that one time the GREEKS WERE THOSE CAUCASIANS.
At one time, yes they did go for higher learning. But we're not discussing when the Greeks went to learn (which BTW was BEFORE they went out to conquer) but of the Caucasian conquests of EGYPT and INDIA.Quote:
the interaction upon which the greeks went for their 'higher learning'
So again, are you saying that the Greeks/Whites had to RECONQUER these very same lands that you said the Caucasians from the Caucasus had already conquered? Because, and I must keep repeating this, according to history it was ALEXANDER THE GREEK and them who conquered these lands (EGYPT and some of INDIA) and set off their rulership.
So what source do you have that backs up your original assertion?
I'm not questioning the alleged origin of the Aryans, but I'm questioning YOU saying they were of the Middle East. Source?Quote:
are not aryans desvribed as white skinned from which the caste system was started against the dravidians base on a light high up and dark shut out outcast
Right, but I was just highlighting how you were saying that the Christians made a crusade to get the city, but yet failed to mention how it was a Muslim 'holy war' that first took it from out of Christian hands.Quote:
a city in the very mid east mentioned in the old testament in the land area that the now called jews went through after they had cleared the land of the people for which their god had promised
Since you were mentioning all these alleged "crusades" that caucasians were doing and then brought up that the Christians made one against certain Muslims for Jerusalem the implication was that these Muslims somehow were dealt an injustice by Caucasians, failing to mention how those very Muslims were Seljuk TURKS and NOT original ARABS.Quote:
did i say otherwise, but they must have been seen as heathen to the christian which would make them no better than a muslim
And it got no more 'heathenistic' then the Muslim Turks (converted caucasians), especially the Seljuks.
No, I'm rather saying that the use of the word "crusade" was a misleading one. And those lands were indeed touched bv the white man and leading the way was Alexander, not some phantom caucasians in some sketchy distant past.Quote:
are you implying that the cultures of egypt and india were never touched by the white man ?
That's how a conversation would be conducted in real time, so yes I must "disect" your statements in order to bring clarity to this discussion. And it's not about me trying to "change you to go with my program/agenda" but the information that you're presenting being tried and tested...or did you expect people just to except it on face value??Quote:
let's just say we don't agree and that you won't change me to go with your program/agenda of thinking by dissecting it into splitting hairs.
Damn!..I'm wondering right now, like who gives a fuck about the blah blah blah...I mean teach me something I can relate to...otherwise your intelligence is for naught.
This bullshit is so blah to most people they won't even stop to read it...I almost didn't but I dd and I still could give a fuck!...I mean relate it to the here and now and that's it...forget all that bull.
Most people can't relate...and the most important thing is teaching the people, right??
What true knowledagble people can't relate to is the belief that the caucasian has been ruling for 6,000 years. If you're not here to defend that point or acknowledge that it's false why are you here talking shit asking for someone to teach you? The REAL reason you mad is because that is one of your teachings and you're not prepared to/can't defend it so you trying to throw the conversation off.
I'mma tell you now this is the M.O. of alot of 5 percenters when their teachngs are put to the fire.Quote:
This bullshit is so blah to most people they won't even stop to read it...I almost didn't but I dd and I still could give a fuck!...I mean relate it to the here and now and that's it...forget all that bull.
Please explain for all of us how a conversation on history is bullshit? Was that the sentiment of Clarence your Father Allah back in the day? Not to read, build, or do the knowledge on history?
Speak for yourself. This conversation, or rather the bullshit that the caucasian has ruled for 6,000 years is something that even a 7th grader would laugh at.Quote:
Most people can't relate...
edit: If you're not prepared to read, why the fuck you even posting on Know the Ledge? The fuck is your purpose here?
tell how did the white man come to ruyle thje earh and sea and air as he has done via his mind or his incorporating of other peoples thoughts and knowledge for we all know he has yet to produce that which others have already done. the white man is the new kid on the block. by genetics and culture. you are batt;ling with ideologies which define a persons way of life so you must weant tyhem to change that if not their thinking and how they interpet this world.
i have read your other posts and you do this with everyone you don't agree with.
as you said don't agree and so a conversation will turn to not a discussion but hair splitting over minutae details that will have one change their minds , that is not a discussion for their wil be no agreement just a conversion.
Hahaha..this is some bullshit...you can't teach nobody wit all that ARGUMENT CRAP....I can't relate...Period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maboya
Come with some real knowledge...otherwise, keep speaking into the wind but, no one wil hear you .
And..I have raised many from the dead with simple logic....your blah blah crap is boring and unproducitve.
It's quite obvious HOW they did it - but that wasn't the question. It was how LONG have they done it, your assertion (which remains unproven) was for 6,000 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by dif de la rev
I asked you a question that you have refused to/can't answer - so instead you want to question my "other posts" - but anyway, yes, anyone I disagree with I sometimes question the information that they present. The reason why should be apparent now.Quote:
i have read your other posts and you do this with everyone you don't agree with.
Trying to downplay YOUR OWN assertions doesn't help your arguement. So what are these "minute details" that you refer to??Quote:
as you said don't agree and so a conversation will turn to not a discussion but hair splitting over minutae details
Was it * Caucasians ruling for 6,000 years?
* Caucasians conquering Egypt and India even before Greeks did it?
* Aryans coming from the Middle East?
I'm not trying to teach anyone here. Or maybe you missed where they refused to answer a simple quetion - and then said that they won't change their mind about their own still unproven piece of information? And the only one who came with an argumentitive stance here was YOU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aqueous Moon
Speak for yourself. And what is "real knowledge" - would that be something like 'the white man has been ruling for 6,000 years'??Quote:
Come with some real knowledge...otherwise, keep speaking into the wind but, no one wil hear you .
Let me find out your Sunny/Noggins Wooly/Winters in a dress.Quote:
And..I have raised many from the dead with simple logic....your blah blah crap is boring and unproducitve.
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Originally Posted by Maboya
wilson !
you just don't learn your lesson
how many lumps you want ?
and even if i was in a fuckin dress what the fuck you gonna doQuote:
Originally Posted by Maboya
don't answer though i already know the answer
how is a nigga who wears shiny gold pants and leather head bands and army boots on the corner gonna talk shit anyway
old rhinestone wearing ass lmao - nigga shut the fuck up
your agent failed the test
Naw...lol..I'm Aqueous and Maboya, your boring and unproductive.
no comment
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Originally Posted by Aqueous Moon
Sometimes facts can be "boring"...
I had to comment on this again, because to be honest it reminded me of your very first post on KTL.Quote:
Damn!..I'm wondering right now, like who gives a fuck about the blah blah blah...I mean teach me something I can relate to...otherwise your intelligence is for naught.
This bullshit is so blah to most people they won't even stop to read it...I almost didn't but I dd and I still could give a fuck!...I mean relate it to the here and now and that's it...forget all that bull.
Most people can't relate...and the most important thing is teaching the people, right??
http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10507
My my... race topics are always fun here :)
Well let's think about this for a second. Having read some of those pages here they say that these rappers are racist. Some of them I'm sure are while others aren't of course, but one thing I did notice is that they just focused on blacks hate towards whites while not even mentioning the ammonut of times most of these rappers refer to other blacks and themselves as niggers. Guess they don't mind if we hate each other just as long as we don't hate them.
What some of these people need to realize is that growing up black you run into more whites that don't look at you as equals because of where you come from. Most of these rappers came from the ghetto where whites wouldn't have even acknowleged their existance if not for their money making abilites. These rappers are the same metality-wise now that they were when they were poor and in the projects. Don't think that Meth or Ice-T aren't any more goofy or corny then they were back in the hood, they still do the same shit, they just do it in a different area now. And I'm sure they're a lot more calm because they don't have to watch their back like thay had to in the hood.
But whites have this thing, once a hood nigga always a hood nigga. When I have no doubt in my mind if any of these rappers white neighbors went to their houses they'd see that it was run a lot like their own. Kids running around like crazy, toys on the floor, people watching TV and whatnot. But they think that all blacks do is get high and fuck and they're too afraid to get to know them because they don't wanna get raped or hooked on drugs when it's not even like that. There's a reason that rappers live in these neighborhoods, because they want the same kinda life that everyone else has. They wanna be able to come home after work and relax without having to worry about who's gonna steal their cars or shoot up their house. They want a quiet life just like the whites they live around. But these white just see the blacks in their neighborhood as an intrusion, so if that's the case then Fuck Whitey!
Not all whites of course :)
i think maboya is playing devil's advocate. :loser:
when we say 'devil' it automatically means that we are refering to them, there are many devils in many shapes and forms not just the white man...i remember Self Kingdom Allah on Fox news a couple years back also talking about this issueQuote:
Originally Posted by Alcryt
I think that white stupidity of stereotyping blacks to be "ghetto" no matter where they live is down to snobbishness, happens everywhere though not just with blacks, where i live and im sure most places the richer snobby people (not necessarily white) judge people on the way they dress. Though rich white people are the worst at being snobby lolQuote:
Originally Posted by BlooHook
Thats what i was i kind of thinking, some white dudes are probably like "when black rappers refer to the devil they must mean white people" and take it as a racist lyric.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prince Shafala
P.s As for the devil being white i always though the devil was red with horns}) :lmao:
hAVE YOU HERD OF kILLARMY? oBVIOUSLY NOT. lISTEN TO THEIR FIRST ALBUM. "I CUT OFF THE HEADS OF THOSE WHO WORSHIP ADAM AND EVE" DRESS TO KILLQuote:
Originally Posted by Alcryt
i think wu tang is rascist but i dont care cuz they're actually good at making hip hop. id be rascist to if my ancestors were treated like the whites treated the blacks. think about it, those cats that were so abused and degraded, and murdered are the cats that would have taken care of you if they were your ancestors. regardless if it was "great great great great grandpa jamal," that dude is fam to somebody and it would piss me off to know a buncha cracka's treated him and the rest of my fam like shit. the peeps that would let me sleep and eat in there house. give me a job and support me thru good and bad. I wouldnt give a shit if it was 400 years ago or 4, they're the folks that would show me the most luv cuz we have the same blood. thats fam. think about it.