What do Wu members have against Wu management (Divine, Power, Mook, etc)?

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Originally Posted by Jet Set

That being said, that shit was needed to finally bring those sort of chaotic shows to something that their fanbase would like to see. No 40 year old wants to see 9 people just sort of dwell on stage for 40 minutes and leave.

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Thats not how a Wu Tang stage show went before whatever they're doing now with RZA's kung fu clips or whatever. It was usually 50 Wu affiliates on stage with the 8 to 10 guys being cycled out so no one got tired. Their set list (and the concept of the entire group) is designed so the spotlight is constantly changing. What makes Wu Tang unique to any hip-hop act is their live set NEVER gets dull. And the real appeal IMO is the other members in chorus finishing other guy's lyrics. Even ODB til the end knew everyone else's lyrics and even solo songs. And the individual members had their own crew members backing them up too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaZ_hF5UG_A

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Originally Posted by Jet Set

With current technology, those screens should be a lot cheaper compared to 20-30 years ago. Does make me wonder though what the cost of the show would be, I'll see if someone can answer that. (I remember this talk where people talking about designing a stage for Amon Tobin, and taking into account the maximum size that could fit in a container for shipping.) That being said, that shit was needed to finally bring those sort of chaotic shows to something that their fanbase would like to see. No 40 year old wants to see 9 people just sort of dwell on stage for 40 minutes and leave.

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I was guessing 50k just based off watching a lot of comedian's podcasts, and I've heard some super successful ones say they've spent $200k just for premium lighting when recording their specials - that's just to rent it for one night. You have to take in account even the wages for the manpower in order to set up Wu's new stage media and make sure it's programmed and ran flawlessly, also to store it, have it travel from city to city. I just know it's definitely not an insignificant cost to do that every single show.

Listening to some old interviews, I think RZA really didn't look out for brothers. Cappadonna got raped by his 1st record deal and others. Poppa Wu defends RZA by saying "If they didn't read the contract, thats on them". Bullshit. RZA and GZA got raped themselves before, so they should've made sure everyone knows how the record business pimps artists with advances and recoupment. And the "Once Upon" album is bullshit. The Clan did those verses not knowing it was for a group album, then RZAgot them to sign off on it. But only RZA got paid off that big sale.

I mean, I love the Rza as an artist but he's not as close and protective of the other members as they are to each other. I think it was a real family to most members but for RZA he was only looking out for his real family - GZA, ODB, Divine, 9th Prince.

Others will say he can do that because Wu Tang is his creation and he's the producer, but the other members really made him. He would never make it as a solo act or they really don't have to take unfair deals just because they owe him for the group.

Rza is always going to pull rank and say, "Where would you be if I never included you in the group?" Whenever he gets questioned about contracts and finances.

Yeah and members will always accept it because the management is on RZA's side forever. It is what it is. I understand why many members get fed up. And I understand RZA set things up when he was much younger and less spiritually evolved. These cats weren't his brothers yet. I wish they would renegotiate so maybe its a real equal partnership. The Wu Wear deal is evidence members don't get fair compensation.