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Definitely could be the case. Like I said, I’m purely speculating from a fan standpoint. I have no inside information, I’ve never met any of the West Coast Killa Beez. Seen them live with Killarmy and RZA in late 98 or early 99(can’t remember, I’m old. Haha!) at The Rave here in Milwaukee. Fuckin dope showQuote:
Originally Posted by Sam the Seed
RIp Holocost! I didn't know him that well however. We met during the Supreme Clientele recordings at 36 chambers studio when I was recording my debut album. Ghost recorded during the day until evening, then the Black Knights would get a beat for that evening from RZA and the sessions would go on until the early hours. This is how I ended up on Woodchuck and the Clinton Sparks joint. Holocost was there every night, and they were staying at an apartment near Central Park where I'd go to hang out before we could head into the studio. Holocost seemed different then already. He was walking with a dragging leg, Beretta had told me he'd been hit by a bus in Tokyo where he'd holidayed by himself. 9th or someone then told me the story of the fight he had with him when he was stinking up the place cause at this time he was walking around with a parrot on his arm and the bird was shitting all over him. And then there was the story of Cost jumping out of an apartment window naked due to some bad angel dust (digi digi). I tend to believe that when they hung around RZA as Bobby Digital the angel dust damaged him badly, especially mentally. I then didn't hear from him in a long time, and when the first Killa Beez tour came up in 2002, I reached out to him, he picked up the phone, peace bruv it's Ringz, RINGZ! YO CHECK THIS! and he immediately pressed play on a track I had to listen to for 5 minutes. I literally didn't get a word in. When the song was finished I was like yo Cost check it, I got this tour- YO CHECK THIS ONE. And bam, he played another track. After three tracks I just hung up and haven't spoken to him since. I wanted him on the tour but alas. Priest had a funny story about him on my DVD. And I guess it's all funny, but at the same time, it's all quite sad cause the brother was talented and to hear he was declining mentally is a sad thing. I never actually knew he used my beats from a beat CD until they came out. We spoke about it once but I can;t recall the convo. All good though. Blessings to his loved ones, rest easy to the legend.
That explains the "King Holocaust with a crooked walk" line on Terrorist.. I wish somebody was there with Holocaust to recount the stories of him in Japan, they must be comedy gold. I could imagine Holocaust beating up Ninth Prince with the parrot flapping and squawking and getting feathers all over the place. Never knew Holocaust had a crazy angel dust trip before Christ Bearer. We really need a film about his life. Him ignoring Cilvaringz and just playing songs until Cilvaringz quits and hangs up is classic Holocaust also.. Would love to have met him..
Like most on here I had also heard about the fight with 9th. But the fact that it was because he was walking around with a parrot on his shoulder that shitted everything up just makes this like a typical line from one of his songs. Limped into the place with a parrot on my shoulder, the prince could not take that shit and rushed over, had to supplex him hard with the parrot circling darts. lol
Thanks for the explanation of the various styles, really helpfull. The other days I was going over his Discogs page, and he actually has two, and noticed that it was only 4-5 official, but a whole library of other projects on which he appears.
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Originally Posted by Cilvaringz
Thank you for this.
May he rest in peace.
Holocaust was one of these rappers I have always rated, but oddly hadnt followed as much as I should have.
Upon hearing this news, I have been listening to a lot of his work, and wow the Brother had skills.
This album especially stands out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-whybfchQs&t=2646s
I follow a few of the Clan on Insta, and sorry to see most are not posting anything about this Brother. To me he was and always shall be, what I love most about the Wu-Tang. A chamber of his own, no one can touch him, no one can equal him. A unique rapper who stands above many.Have seen a few youtube comments about him being offbeat, but thats the beauty of the Man. He didnt care, he just rapped and entertained us with his verses. A Wu Legend.
Sad day for hip hop. We all cheer for big bottles of beer. RIP
Damn pigs are responsible
fuck dempigs smh
Always loved Warcloud. Interesting as fuck. His bars were like no one else’s.
My favourite projects are In The End There Of… and The Signs of Hells Winter.
Don’t really know much about their origin / “legitimacy” (can anyone shed light?) but for me, they are the only warcloud releases I’m aware of that contain the essential elements of:
1) consistent sound and production of quality; and
2) no shitty guest features.
The Blue Sky Black Death album ticks those two boxes too.
They are legit. Released at undergroundhiphop.com back in 2012 (I think as CD-r's). This was when MySpace was popular, and he had a bunch of tracks posted (along with some that didn't make the releases, like Love, Miserable Renounce). I spent a lot of time ripping these tracks from MySpace lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by CL2coming
He worked with a rapper/producer named Gneticz...he produced at least one of the tracks, possibly more (Gneticz would post the instrumentals to his MS, which I also ripped I'm pretty sure lol).
Albums dropped after a hiatus, and this is when he entered his Robot Tank era.
I missed the original CDs, but picked them up when. BSOM re-released them.
Hope this helps!
One more point I just remembered...UGHH was going to released an album called "Drugstore Cowboy" but obviously think these other projects were released instead (no idea if the tracks are the same or it's a different project altogether).
Drugstore cowboy may still drop. Gotta talk to Gage about that one . I know he is gearing up to realease the works he did with warcloud in Boston.
I'm still way behind on Warcloud, but I'd like to check out these two albums just for the art covers alone
https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a1973880887_65
https://is1-ssl.mzstatic.com/image/t...x1200bf-60.jpg
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Originally Posted by RADIOACTIVE MAN
Wow, I didn't think this would ever drop - thank you for the info
Thank you - donation sentQuote:
Originally Posted by Jammin
True, but I always felt that album was over-produced. The beats on the BSBD Hell Razah album were better.
And knowing that Holo/Warcloud recorded to different beats and didn’t like the finished product kinda taints it for me too. Need to listen again, but Plunder, Sinister and Crash were definitely the highlights for me.
Thanks. Listened again to In The End There Of again yesterday. It’s fucking great
He really did not like that album? What did he record too?Quote:
Originally Posted by CL2coming
And thanks for the link for the daughter. Think that is maybe a better way to support him, compare to buying his albums.
I remember interviews after it was released - can’t remember the source but there was one with BSBD talking about how awful the process of making the album was (something about Holo hiding a gun in their house / studio if I recall correctly) and I’ve definitely read an interview with warcloud where he is asked about the album and he said he didn’t like the beats on the final version apart from a few that weren’t switched (think Crash was one that he mentioned as being an unaltered beat). Will try find the interviews.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jet Set
Edit: this is all I could find - but the interview links are dead: https://www.prlog.org/10966378-warcloud-aka-holocaust-wu-tang-tribute-week-day-4-blue-sky-black-death-interview.html
I believe the link is in the Warcloud thread somewhere.. But it is so old, it might be dead like the one you provided. Plunder and Crash were the beats he actually rhymed to
R.I.P lord I'm keep smuggling in the graveyard. Today I finally got a little more straight but I'm a be fucked up and scarred forever. Me and the god having fun tho... Didn't want him here like this. But yesterday we watched Frankenstein Island, The Monsters Club, Gates of Hell, Raw Head Rex, the cobbed web hotel cartoon from the fifties Alvin and the chipmunks movie ( the 80 one) brave little toaster and all of GenoCyber. We just did a track well I did he's not on it but in me spiritually
This thread needs to be stickied . I ask respectfully.
thanks
Looks like that is one function that works for me 😀Quote:
Originally Posted by RADIOACTIVE MAN
The Pro collab is a bunch of tracks already released, but you may have not heard many of the tracks and in that case, it's a good listen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldenchild
History of violence is OK. The mixing sucks, sounds a bit copy/paste, and it's not all brand new/unreleased Holocaust material. Same with the Killah Priest collab, Savage Sanctuary.
If you have not heard Armor of God, Northern Right Whale, Jigsaw Puzzle, Nightmares Resurface, or even Warghosts (there is a Bomshot-less version floating around), those are much better listens IMO. There is some really good stuff found on the American Poets projects as well (ie. Conan is a fucking banger).
RIP. He was one of a kind. One of my faves.
Dunno who was responsible for those 2 UGHH albums, but very grateful we got those. Very well put together releases. Glad I've held on to my copies through the years.
The BSBD album is a personal classic for me too.
He was one of a very small handful of rappers I've kept an interest in over the years. Sad that he won't be making any more music. Hopefully we'll get some good unreleased stuff.
Agreed that he was one of the few rappers I still looked forward to more from. Not gonna lie: I feel way less interest in Wu Tang now. They were bigegr than just the 9/10 guys because of the Killa Beez and EWarcloud was easily the standout and only one equal or better than most of the Wu generals. Feels like a part of the Wu Tang itself died.
Second on the quality of his verses on the American Poets 2099 records. You can find versions that are just his verses and its his best recent stuff. Maybe you can still find it here: https://wu-tangfam.blogspot.com/
Ocean is a fire track that I still listen to regularlyQuote:
Originally Posted by CL2coming
Got the archived version here:Quote:
Originally Posted by CL2coming
https://web.archive.org/web/20140816..._Interview.htm
LOL, they call Pro his weed dealer and yes man
Great job on that Jet Set. What we need now is for somebody to dig up a picture of that threatening letter Holocaust/Warcloud wrote to the F.B.I. pretending to be Blue Sky Black Death.
Much obliged my good friendQuote:
Originally Posted by hiphopjunky
How does everyone feel about Savage Sanctuary? I listened to a few joints off it. Doomsday Part 2, Diary of a Madman 2, etc. Crazy you can hear Poetic at the very end of that track. Briefly and quietly, but still, he’s there. RIP to all three of those brothers on that particular track. Doc, Holo, Poetic
Not excited about it. Some reused material and the mixing sucks. Worth a listen but that's pretty much the only nice thing I have to say about it unfortunatelyQuote:
Originally Posted by Teejay
https://www.youtube.com/live/UNEeRl-...KLCcMtkQekCaVF
Around the 15 min mark he starts speaking on Holocaust passing.
NVM
Whatever happened to those children books he was rumored to be doing?
I remember he was working on some screenplays also, but I remember reading somewhere that during one of his incarcerations/institutionalizations, his laptop got lost/stolen and he had no backup, so everything was lost..