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yes he doesQuote:
Originally Posted by sweet sista
and we are his children so we need to learn to be shining examples of our father
if God "Created" humans using mud and water then added the life germ, then he really did npt create us at all - he made us from things on this earth - now wether or not there is indeed a creator of this planet - we can believe that there is all day - but knowing and believing is not the same - we can at least think about it
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Originally Posted by Eric Unseen
the highlighted words are the key words and its an indication that you are not blinded by belief - but the words God and divine being you did not make up - you heard it described some where at some time and chose to believe the way you do - may sound strange and may not be your case, but i would say that most people heard these words and recieved these concepts from watching movies
peoples - don't be blinded by Pretty sounding lies in the form of fancy poetry
the fork tongued speech speaker does not come from us -
we want answers - we think - we ask - we move up and on
When I think about it, it's hard to say that I wasn't conditioned to some point, cause really it's just about everywhere. I know that it's wasn't beat over my head though, praise due for that. It's just when I look out at everything into nature the way everything works in such harmony together on a universal scale, from our smallest cells all the way up to the largest galaxy, there's just a very intuitive feeling that there is a single source for all of it, for everything I see and don't see. I may be delusional, and it may not be. Because I do not possess infinite wisdom I can not definetly say. But I myself, could never say internally to myself "there is no Creator" and believe it. I guess that's why they call it faith. It's absolute certainy in what can not been seen nor touched. Even with that faith, it's important to myself that I not let it cloud my vision. I fully expect that God works in ways that will, would and did surprise me.Quote:
the highlighted words are the key words and its an indication that you are not blinded by belief - but the words God and divine being you did not make up - you heard it described some where at some time and chose to believe the way you do - may sound strange and may not be your case, but i would say that most people heard these words and recieved these concepts from watching movies
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Originally Posted by Eric Unseen
why does it have to be a single source if it does indeed exist ?
just like a flower Needs Water,Sun,Air, Earth to live and some need bees to make it multiply -
everything works with everything and anything that is where it does not belong causes death -
Death is unnatural and Unecessary
some may argure - well who made these ? this Water,Sun,Air,Earth ? - just like Abraham asked and said that whoever made these is the God of all -
but he said that because he was looking for something to worship - You have no choice but to Submit to ALLAH and for many this ALLAH is that Arm Leg Leg Arm Head -
if them cops put you in cuffs you gotta submit either willingly or by force
if there is indeed a creator of everything that ever existed, it doesn't exist the way we think it exist and calling it a HE HIM or a WHO is putting limitations on anything that has the power to Create everything that ever existed in the whole universe
to me God is the Everything, so like the whole universe could be God's thumbnail. I definetly see it along the same lines as the human body. Like you were saying with the sperm in your one post. The essence is there all along, but you grow and all these cells build together to form your body. Your consciouness remains in your head but white blood cells is roaming around like soldiers warding off infection, air moving into your lungs extracting oxygen. They don't need your actuall awarness to function, and it almost seems as if they have a life all of their own. I view it working in that kinda way. On the same token, I don't ever judge if I had a bad toenail that should be damned to being eternally shot with a nailgun so if everything in relgious text didn't turn out to work the exact same way they say, tht doesn't surprise me either. Does God exist as a singular form? it's good question. I'd have to see if form actually fits the concept in my own head.Quote:
why does it have to be single if it does indeed exist ?
yeah, this is truth to me as soon as I read it. I like how the Quran calls God by a bunch of different titles, it would be nice if She was used as well. I don't see God really as femine or masculine but having properties of both. The God in my mind has no limitations whatsoever.Quote:
if there is indeed a creator of everything that ever existed, it doesn't exist the way we think it exist and calling it a HE HIM or a WHO is putting limitations on anything that has the power to Create everything that ever existed in the whole universe
n.
The shape and structure of an object.
The body or outward appearance of a person or an animal considered separately from the face or head; figure.
The essence of something.
The mode in which a thing exists, acts, or manifests itself; kind: a form of animal life; a form of blackmail.
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--------I don't know if this is going to show the number but in the case of 2a-the essence of something, I would say that the Supreme God does exist as a single essence just because nothing really exist that is not God, in a God's body kinda sense. We might get an invading disease but our cells would eventually kill it. There can be something forgerin within the body, the body itself belongs to the Most High.
I'm with you there. But like, what I meant was it was a theory i'd heard form somewhere or other, and I believe it had something to do with higher intelligence playing a part in our evolution, pretty much. Whether it's true or not remains unseen, it's not actually my opinion, I was just providing another angle. Amateur philosophy, if you will.Quote:
Originally Posted by My First Timbs
DO U BELIEVE IN GOD? YES
WHO IS GOD? God Is.
IS IT A PERSON OR THING? It's God.
IF IT IS A PERSON THEN IS THAT PERSON A HE OR SHE? Both and Neither.
IF IT IS A THING THEN WHAT IS IT? God is All Things. if there were no God, there would be Nothing.
IS THERE ONLY ONE GOD OR MANY? One
WHY IS GOD CALLED YAHWEH IN SOME TEXT BUT ALLAH IN OTHERS? Ask the People who made those words up.
WHAT IS YOUR VIEW ON GOD? God is Within and Without All Things at All Times.
DO U FEAR GOD? Yes. No Man can cause me to no longer exist.
DO U LOVE OR HATE GOD? Love
DO U RESPECT GOD? Yes
DO U SEEK GOD OR DO U SEEK SOMETHING ELSE? I seek the Truth.
DO U FEEL IT IS BETTER TO LIVE BY THE WORD OF GOD OR BY THE WORD OF MAN? I live by my actions, not anyone elses words.
i read the whole thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by sweet sista
its so mind bogglingly lacking in anything worthwhile i didnt feel a need to waste my time pointing it all out.
seems like u follow urself.. who is God?Quote:
Originally Posted by hidden ninja
DO U BELIEVE IN GOD? no
WHO IS GOD? -
IS IT A PERSON OR THING? -
IF IT IS A PERSON THEN IS THAT PERSON A HE OR SHE? -
IF IT IS A THING THEN WHAT IS IT? -
IS THERE ONLY ONE GOD OR MANY? -
WHY IS GOD CALLED YAHWEH IN SOME TEXT BUT ALLAH IN OTHERS? because people saw the effectiveness of religion and started different kinds to gain control modeling their doctrines to support certain aspects of their ideology and culture.
WHAT IS YOUR VIEW ON GOD? its like a unicorn
DO U FEAR GOD? do i fear the unicorn?
DO U LOVE OR HATE GOD? can't love or hate something thats not really there
DO U RESPECT GOD? i respect peoples beliefs
DO U SEEK GOD OR DO U SEEK SOMETHING ELSE? I seek the Truth.
DO U FEEL IT IS BETTER TO LIVE BY THE WORD OF GOD OR BY THE WORD OF MAN? words of the real.
whos in the dark?? whitey or hidden ninja?
yin n yang
dark n light
health n ill
man n woman
life n death
best n worst
rationality n irrationality
truth n false
mortality n immortality
"man" n God
is God existent in terms of a natural formula of yin n ynag?
lets restart here.
do we all agree or disagree that there are only ywo types of "things" or "planes of existence"
1) Material
2) Abstract
lets start with that..
^you'd have to define what you mean when you say abstract for me to answer that.
abstract meaning, having no physicality, ie existing only as a concept...in its strict sense.. having no physical or detectable impact on the material world.
by that definition I would have to disagree on your original question. I say this based upon belief more than what can be proved as scientific fact. I believe in the soul, for instance, which isn't material but at the same time I would say that a person's soul can definetly have an impact upon the material world. Humans in general are limited to their own perception. Things are hard to deal with outside of our five senses. I do however believe that things exist outside the realms of our own perception, that for lack of a better word, more tangible than things like emotion, thought, etc.
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Originally Posted by Eric Unseen
where is a persons soul located ?
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where is a persons soul located ?
while here on earth, within your body. But the body is just clothes for the soul, I believe my soul was here before my body and I believe it will still exist once this body is gone. So while I believe my body is possesion of my soul, I couldn't show it to you with an x-ray or cat scans, mri or anything else they have nowadays. Just in keeping in line with the dialogue, the definition of abstract didn't seem to fit my viewpoint of what the soul is, being neither material nor abstract, I think it's somewhere in between and why I disagree.
wha..?!Quote:
Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS
If we're the children of God then that makes us Gods and Goddess, right?
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Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS
knowing is when you see something' then you're sure about it. believing is when you don't see it but still you feel it and see it in your heart.
if we're going to wait our whole lives to see god. i can guarantee you brutha, we won't see him. However, does that mean he ain't there?! i think not.
THAT IS SO TRUE THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE WHO DON’T BELIEVE IN GOD CUZ THEY NEVER SEEIN HIM OH SUCH PEOPLE OF LITTLE FAITH BLESSED IS THOSE WHO BELIEVE WITHOUT SEEINGQuote:
Originally Posted by sweet sista
yeah you know somethin' it's really funny coz Huh, Some people don't belive in Allah “God” just coz they don't see him. I dunno but i never assumed that some don't have brains just coz i don't see their brains.Quote:
Originally Posted by hectis
IT IS FUNNY CUZ GOD IS RIGHT THERE AND THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW ITQuote:
Originally Posted by sweet sista
it's also sad coz sometimes to see bruthaz or sistiz who are so believe in a lie and so devoted to it. Man, it ain't beautiful view. i mean really it hurts cuz sometimes you really wish to help them and to get'em outta the tunnel they were put into but for a reason or another you just can't. they become so blind and ignorant. they might think they have much of knowledge but for god sake what a knowledge without the knowledge of who is your God?!Quote:
Originally Posted by hectis
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Originally Posted by sweet sista
WITHOUT GOD THERE IS NO KNOWLEDGE NO WISDOM NO NOTHING AND FOR ANY ONE WHO READS THIS AND SAYS I HAVE KNOWLEDGE WITH OUT GOD SO HE IS CRAZY BLAH BLAH BLAH TRUST ME U HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE
everyone sees people that they want to run to and yell scvream talk to them to be like what you doing? don't you realize what you doing with yourself etc. deoes it pain does going up the hill with the weight of generations sliding down against you where you have to fight like salmon. so you lead by example. ones who see will ones who are attuned will note the music. you let them get you down you never were sure in your knowledge of serlf in relation to god.
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Originally Posted by sweet sista
lmao - thats why i ask you questions
your right - alot of people do this - its not the case with all people - questioning those who SAY they believe in god is not the same as questioning gods existance - i've been asking for a while now where did yall get these beliefs from - who told yall the things you say about god - what did you see or hear that made you begin believing in this god your so shure about - and i get no answersQuote:
Originally Posted by hectis
althou we dont normally see a persons brain (while they are alive), u can indeed test for a persons brain or detect the presence of a brain via other means (magnetic resonance imaging, xray, neural analysis..... ur argument is so assine that its laughableQuote:
Originally Posted by sweet sista
yeah you know somethin' it's really funny coz Huh, Some people don't belive in Allah “God” just coz they don't see him. I dunno but i never assumed that some don't have brains just coz i don't see their brains.
in contrast as of yet, we have yet to be able to detect or even test for the existence of any spiritual or godly entities.....
see the difference?
except for the thing doing the testsQuote:
Originally Posted by My First Timbs
Huh, this is ridiculous coz you try to be smartass with me though I said what I said as a “Mockery” to “believe only what u see” concept. Not that I meant some don’t have the brain figure in their heads.Quote:
Originally Posted by My First Timbs
now, don't get me wrong cuz i myself only believe in what i see but when it's about God it's just different story. because detecting God in the way you're talking about is way beyond the human ability.
Stop bugging that man.
it is the human abilityQuote:
Originally Posted by sweet sista
how so?
I saw Common tonight in concert and he was talkin on some real shit right before his encore. He was talkin' about how everyone has the little piece of God within them and that what we as a people gotta do is let that light shine. I was really feelin what he was talking about because on one level he was talkin in the same way a 5%'er might, about the self-determination and self-confidence to go out and do what you got to do but at the same time he held that respect for the Grand Creator. It's inspirational to see someone so talented and successful who's views aline so closely with my own.
i don't know about y'all but i do believe in a god and sorry if somebody has allready said this but to me god isn't a physical being god is more like an extremely positive feeling. a feeling of invincibility all of us have experienced at least one time or another. example, like when you're in a zone playing basket ball or when you're free style battlin' and you can do or say nothing wrong and every word comes out perfect or when you make love to your girl for a couple hours nonstop or when your painting a mural and using that positive spirit within you to make every piece of the puzzle come together perfectly to equal something beautiful to inspire anyone who sees it. that to me is god.:yes:
i Can Tell U The Truth I Am A Witness To Gods Existence As I Am The Devils God’s Voice Is That Of A Water Fall Or Something Like It The Devils Is That Of Something Of What A Dragon Would Sound Like They Both Talked In A Tongue I Did Not Know Or Have Never Heard Again Freaked Me Out
I believe 'God' is shown through the goodness in us all, the devil the evil, but then there is so much suffering in the world that it is difficult to believe in a benevolent, kind God. Perhaps God is as torn between good and evil as we are, perhaps 'God' and 'devil' are two different forms of the said God? Thus the nature of the creator, his different states, is reflected in us all. But what is 'good'? Where do we get concepts of 'good' and 'evil'? Perhaps 'good' just means 'socially approved', and 'God' and 'devil' are creations onto which we project our moral concepts...
If God is a creator figure then I don't believe he/she/it would be represented by monotheistic Western religion at all - said religion celebrates 'faith', aka believing without evidence, or, to put it bluntly, ignorance - why would a God afford us a creative mind then order us to bypass and disregard it?
In any case, the only philosophically defensible position in my view is agnosticism, we cannot prove the existence of God and thus it is naive to live out our lives revolved around such a belief, but we cannot attack the possibility of a God figure...