Why God exists IMO

i know a good portion of how the brains, and there are even more portions i do not know. i do not believe in a "GOD". I do not believe there is someone in an anonymous place watching us or a burning bush on some symbolic shit. but I do believe in the soul, I do believe in spirituality. when the body dies so does the brain of course, but for you to think there aren't forces among us here on earth or forces beyond earth that's on you. I have stories that'll get your attention, but that's for another time.

only 1 real conclusion u can draw from this discussion is that both sides of the argument r stubborn beleivers. and wen push comes to shove you can never change a TRUE beleivers vital viewpoint....!

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only 1 real conclusion u can draw from this discussion is that both sides of the argument r stubborn beleivers. and wen push comes to shove you can never change a TRUE beleivers vital viewpoint....!

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thats not true

i would gladly cange my viewpoint in the face of contradictory evidence..and i wish everyone would

to not do so is indefensible

i disagree if sum1 is a TRUE i mean TRUE in every sense of the word i reckn their opinions wont ever TRUELY change....!

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Originally Posted by ThePrincePoetik

i disagree if sum1 is a TRUE i mean TRUE in every sense of the word i reckn their opinions wont ever TRUELY change....!

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that my friend is the difference bewteen someone who is rational vs irrational

for someone to maintain their position even in the face of contradictory evidence, they have to have a psychosis

for ex.. (lets keep it simple)

if i believed that 3+3 = 7, and then someone comes along with an argument based on reason and verifiable evidence that 3+3 does not equal 7..

i would be the silliest irrational person on the planet if i remained "true" to my original position and still claimed that 3+3 = 7..

this is what u are proposing in your post above..... pure irrationality and th efundamental difference bewteen a rational stance and a dogmatic claim

this simple concept is the similar mechanism of "reasoning" that allows many to believe that dinosaurs never existed and that the earth is still flat

its not healthy and we see the ill effects of this mode of thinking everytime we look at the world we live in

poor my first timbz hah, at least u tried dook

sometimes i like to think god was created by science, or nature for that matter. i kno it sounds kind of stupid but think of it this way. in the universe, there are extremes to every aspect of life. whether in size, as the universe itself is so unmeasurable that its mind blowing to imagine something of such incredible proportions still b growing. theres extreme cold, extreme heat. everything u can think of probably has a counterpart with extremely high or low amounts. basically what im tryin to say without sounding like an idiot is that if theres so many things that are so extreme, why not an extreme being. why not something that went against the odds and became extremely powerful and is just as much inconceivable as the amount of energy released from a red giant with every passing second. sorry for the excessive use of extreme but reading this thread made me think about god in a new way, and sorry if i cant explain this to all of u as i see it in my mind since im not exactly on the intellectual level that i see many of u are.
get at me-

my first timbs........

your talking about something that can be proved 100%, mathematics- however the existence of God is based on pure true beleifs....this cannot be proved, therfore your point is invalid.

...animals don't wonder if God exists.....they probable think we're all dumb for believing that....

So why are only humans the result of a significant evolution? Why haven't trees evolved, dogs, insects etc evolved into a more drastic being? Do you believe humans will eventually grow a 3rd arm or start growing wings in thousands or millions of years? Why would the evolving stop now or would it?

^You clearly don't know what your talking about. Everything evolves through natural selection. Animals come they go, they change, depending on their enviorment.

So Why Don't You Drop Some Of Today's Animals Origins

Well if the earth was once barren, and life first started in the water. Than moved to land. Clearly dinosours weren't popping out of the water.

A clearer example would be based on numerous similarities and differences between living species, evolutionary biology makes predictions about the features of ancestral forms. For example, numerous features indicate that birds are derived from reptilian ancestors. By contrast, these data reject the possibility that birds were derived from other groups, such as flying insects. Scientists have discovered fossil birds with feathers and legs like modern birds, but which also have teeth, clawed digits on their forelimbs, and a tailbone like their reptilian ancestors.


Also in recent years, many bacterial pathogens have evolved resistance to antibiotics used to cure infections, thereby requiring the development of new and more costly treatments. That is evolution in its simplest form. Drugs that once treated bacteria no longer work because the bacteria is evolving and becoming immune to the drugs.

All That Sounds Nice And I'm Sure Those Are Facts.

But Let Me Ask You This. Why Haven't All Other Forms Of Life Have Come Anywhere Near Our Intellect?

Thats a good question, something I'd prefer to leave to timbs to answer just because I think he'd do a better job with it.

Fisher Price My First Timberlands!!

To be honest I don't know the answer and I don't like talking out of my ass, I feel its counter productive.

What About The Devil? Who Believes In The Devil? Only Reason Why I Asked Is Because Someone Asked Me Today And.. Well I Couldnt Really Discuss It.. But Yeah I Mean If Some Of You Believe In God.. . Then Do You Believe In The Devil..

Peace

I Think The Devil Is Just Symbolic

Word? Elaborate.. Why Is That?? This Is A Deep Subject And I Cant Really Elaborate On It Right Now.. I Wish I Was At Home Already.. Peace Math

I Think Your Soul Will Re-experience What It Dealt With During Your Lifetime. Good, Evil...however You Want To Define Either Term, I Think What You Experience Will Be Along The Lines Of An Eternal Dream. I Believe There's A Higher Spiritual Power That Creates The Forces Of Science And Your Soul Will Be A Part Of That. Feel Me? Peace Rizzy

Soul Or Spirit? Many Confuse Those 2.. Im Not Saying You.. Just In General...

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So why are only humans the result of a significant evolution? Why haven't trees evolved, dogs, insects etc evolved into a more drastic being? Do you believe humans will eventually grow a 3rd arm or start growing wings in thousands or millions of years? Why would the evolving stop now or would it?

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(and this is the person who told me my view was invalid)

its clear that he/she has no idea what they are talking about in regard to evolution

Yo Timbs, Answer What I Asked Whitey.

Why Haven't All Other Forms Of Life Come Anywhere Near The Intellect Of Humans?


Rza, Same Thing. Both Consist Faculties Of Thought, Action & Emotion

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Originally Posted by MathMatician

All That Sounds Nice And I'm Sure Those Are Facts.

But Let Me Ask You This. Why Haven't All Other Forms Of Life Have Come Anywhere Near Our Intellect?

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before one questions or tries to have a rebuttal to biological evolution, u must first have atleast a "beginners level" understanding of the discipline........sadly and invariably this is not the case.. the majority who disagree or question or doubt evolution, dont even have a remedial understanding of the discipline

everyone wants to have a say so in the matter, but doesnt want to do the footwork required to atleast have enuff understanding to partake in the discussion...............
evolution is one of the most complex , all encompassing disciplines in the scientific field.. it is very complex because it relies on great knowledge of other scientific disciplines such as ecology, chemistry, biology, organic chemistry, geoloy and genetics)


Prime example.. u didnt even know it.. but your question is based on Ecology, not evolution. You attacked the discipline of evolution, simply do to an uncomfortable lack of knowledge in Ecology!

okay, now that i got that "Preamble Rant" out the way, i can answer your question very simply.

In Ecology, (meaning the living systems and environment that allow areas to be habitable) there are evolutionarily designed "niches".. (meaning slots to be filled)


There are only a finite amount of niches per ecosystem (depending on the environment). On planet Earth, homo sapiens (you and I) control the ecological niche designated as the "Sentient, top of the food chain".... due to our evolutionary history and successful adaptation to the world we live in, we basically control that niche that would otherwise be filled by another species (remember, before humans were on the planet, that niche was primarily filled by larger creatures such as dinosaurs and large terrestrial mammals)...

Homo Sapiens are basically acting as a form of natural selection on other creatures which we share the world with! We are tool wielding, intelligent predatory omnivores who automatically suppress any macroevolutionary advancement that would allow creatures to surpass or reach our current "position" merely by us existing!

I could go on for hours on this topic but it is difficult because it is a very complex topic that requires much prerequisite knowledge and info to get into any of the specifics, and wutangcorp isnt that realm for that (as we all sadly know)


Timbs, Ph.D

P.S. all living creatures (and even some non living creatures such as viruses) evolve.. that includes trees and all the other things u mentioned a few posts back

botanical evolution is beautifully documented and understood even more so in certain instances than human evolution.

timbs u sed mathmatician said ur point was invalid....its was actually me- read back!

Ok See, You Just Wasted Your Time Typing. After Reading That First Paragraph I'm Disregarding Your Response. That's The Second Time You Try To Speak To Me Like A Baffoon. You Want To Try To Belittle Me And Speak To Me Like Some Kind Of Inferior You Won't Get A Response From Me. Had I Been One Of Your Students And You Spoke To Me That Way You Would Of Got Japped Right On The Eye Socket.


That's How I Do Nigga


Peace

^ I think he was speaking more in general terms and not necessarly refering to you. But just my intepretation, I could be wrong.

Stupid.. Dont be Ignorant.. We will build later math...

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timbs u sed mathmatician said ur point was invalid....its was actually me- read back!

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my bad

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Originally Posted by MathMatician

Ok See, You Just Wasted Your Time Typing. After Reading That First Paragraph I'm Disregarding Your Response. That's The Second Time You Try To Speak To Me Like A Baffoon. You Want To Try To Belittle Me And Speak To Me Like Some Kind Of Inferior You Won't Get A Response From Me. Had I Been One Of Your Students And You Spoke To Me That Way You Would Of Got Japped Right On The Eye Socket.


That's How I Do Nigga


Peace

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if u re read (without any defensive emotional reaction) its clear that i was purely commenting on society and not talking down to you.

i encourage u to read the rest.

Nah Math I aint calling you stupid.. just I meant it in a different way.. but Im not calling you stupid.. ugh.. I was thinking and typing out loud my apologies.. u know I got mad love for you anyways . .Peace MATH

"So why are only humans the result of a significant evolution? Why haven't trees evolved, dogs, insects etc evolved into a more drastic being? Do you believe humans will eventually grow a 3rd arm or start growing wings in thousands or millions of years? Why would the evolving stop now or would it?"


whoever said that needs to go back to school hah

nvm.

First off...Snapple, I love the quote in your sig by GZA...I've been meaning to say it for a while. It is a real good one.

Anyway, not sure how I ended up in here. I have stayed away from the KTL section for a long time since it seems to be a bunch of people arguing about things we really wont ever know or agree upon.

I wonder Timbs, since you seem so into the scientific aspect of things, what you think of Einstein. I could be wrong, but I believe he proved that energy could not be created nor destroyed. Which brings many questions to mind as far as what happens when we die. Perhaps you have an opinion on this...what do you think happens to our energy when we die?

Another thought that has intrigued me for a while has to do with that same theory. If energy can not be created or destroyed, if it just simply changes form, then this computer I am typing on and everything else around me (including myself) has been here in some form since the begining of time....? I dont know, but I was hoping Timbs may have a thought on it since he seems to have a lot to say.

Im done. I dont know if I believe in God or not. I have not made up my mind on anything. And I am ok with that. I prefer serendipity. Love to all.

I Don't Know Either Krissy. I Guess This A Case Where Ignorance Is Bliss! =d

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All That Sounds Nice And I'm Sure Those Are Facts.

But Let Me Ask You This. Why Haven't All Other Forms Of Life Have Come Anywhere Near Our Intellect?

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this is an obvious logical fallacy. how do you have any proof that animals don't have our intellect?