I doubt that some how since peoples intergrity is constantly being challenged over there like when the game was exposed for being on a dating show and not being a real blood and what not.Quote:
Originally Posted by snapple
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I doubt that some how since peoples intergrity is constantly being challenged over there like when the game was exposed for being on a dating show and not being a real blood and what not.Quote:
Originally Posted by snapple
to me if the accent is to strong it ruins the song ......but i agree there are dope emcees out there in the european region
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Originally Posted by TAURO DA GRIM LATIN
oh ras kass gimick....please get the fuck outta here, if you're not over here then dont act like you know....
the only "rappers" that get any kind of exposure over here are acts like lady sovereign and the streets, neither of which are very interesting. i don't have any doubt that there's alot of good hiphop coming out of europe, the only serious mc that i've heard from over there was mc solaar, but i couldn't even find his cd here in the us. on the other hand, there's a couple european mc's who live in america who are well liked and respected (i'm thinking primarily of slick rick and mf doom, but there's probably more).
so to answer your question, it's easy (especially for americans, since there's so much going on here) to shit on things that they don't know anything about. it's fucked up but that's just what happens.
Why the fuck are you getting so confrontational on me? maybe I used a bad example but nearly everything I see on mc's in america is someone trying to expose the other one as a fake, like in freestyles and other shit. My intention is not to try and change your mind into likeing euro/british hip hop but to silmply find out why americans choose to ignore it for the most part. So in conclusion if you can't have a straight conversation the stay the fuck out of this thread ok?.Quote:
Originally Posted by snapple
Ok, that track by Arms Length is dope but unfortunatly I don't have it, I wish I did but it has eluded me for a couple of years, be sure that when I get it I will pass it along to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wu-Matic
Regarding the grime music....lol I will be honest even I couldn't understand what they where saying, the freestyle was one thing but the second video unfortunatly was a in poor condition but I couldn't find a better version but imo it was the best example of what grime is like. For the record I don't like grime, there are a few tracks that I like but for me it's hip hop all the way.
Regarding the accents yes I can tell the difference between the different types in the states but that is because over here we are exposed to a lot more american things than vise versa.
I think you would definatly be able to tell the difference between the accents here, you just think you don't because you haven't been exposed to that many, if you came here you could easily.
fucking dumbass comment, Ali G is a pisstake character for fools like you... i bet you think every Englishmen speaks like the quenn n'all hahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by nychibahawk
Yeah, because in North America every hip-hop fan is rocking dress shirts and speaking proper english. Rock baggy clothes? Funny, cant say I've ever seen North American hip-hop fans rocking XXXXL jerseys and tall-tees...oh wait...that describes about 70% of the North American hip-hop fanbase.Quote:
Originally Posted by maestro wooz
I hate foreign accents.
What do yall think about this cut here? Ol' boy is right here on the Corp and is British but his flow is slowed down, atleast for this cut......And to be honest. it don't annoy me the way the accent usually does.
Do you think it'd be a lot more tolerable if British dudes slowed down the pace something like he did in this track? Post some feeds on what you think. peace
It just sounds like about 90% of the hip hop I have been talking about, clearly I think Eric you just haven't heard enough uk hip hop to make an accurate assumption as to wheather you you like it or not, althought it should be noted that the mc was rhyming in time with the beat so it clearly depends on what type of beat he rhymes to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Unseen
Heres a track by one of the dopest mc's in london, here he rhymes on a slow beat so have a look and tell me what you think..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRu_OA0r0RM
personally i dont really like all this shit that is coming from the south its not only making rap look bad its basically dogging luda....outkast..etc... its pathetic.... to me but w/e european hip-hop hmmm well i havent heard much but idc if they do it or not.....Quote:
Originally Posted by tekunique
who's going to stop them? i mean they should do there thing hip-hop rap w/e is universal i mean NYC is always going to be in my mind birthplace of the BEST MC"s ....wu-tang.....rakim....etc...
if europeans were to rap and rap about ghettos i wouldnt care much either because there arent just ghettos in the USA and there are not many ghettos in africa since everyones poor in the first place but i must admit if a eruopean raped about there bling......i'd prolly die of laughter.
I do think GENERALLY SPEAKING that a lot of american fans can be a little closed minded and fickle, hence why someone can sell 4mil one album, and not go gold on the next, whereas in europe artisis tend to be a lot more consistent and have a loyal fanbase. That is why Wu is a fairly consistent seller in europe whereas the world knows whats happened to them in america over the years. Maybe its Eruopes detachment from what is 'cool' in America at the time and we therefore purchase music from artists we are fans of, irrespective of whether they are hot or not in america. SAme reason why new fads dont tend to explode in europe the same way as in america, only the biggest rap fans will know who Paul Wall, Lil Wayne etc are even tho the south is explodin in America. thats just my take on it anyway
Peace,
first of all theres alot of hate against UK Mc's on here, i cant speak of other countries from europe but i can speak on UK. First of all if u dont understand the lyrics because the accent is different then ur just DUMB str8 up...we talkin f-kin english and thats all there is to it.
Someone here said "i hate all foreign accents"....um lets get somethin str8 here, if u speaking ENGLISH in your country of America then YOUR accent is foreign lol....its not a big deal but you can easily rebuke ignorance with more ignorance...you speaking the english that came from Britain, that was brought to the lands ravaged by your forefathers.
people that get pissed of wit UK accents are probly talkin about the "cockney" style which im not really feelin' myself but u obviously havent checked other peoples work on here, no one i work with raps cockney we rap str8, and theres a hunger here which is lost in mainstream hip hop in the states, with their materialism..
America is the birthpace of hip hop and its king...all the best MCs have come from US (apart from slick rick) but that dont mean 20 years later thats still the case, when i was in NY 3 years ago, all i herd bumpin from car speakers was Usher and Lil Jons "YEAH!" WHEN DAT TUNE WAS OLD NEWAYS, i heard NO real hip hop, and i was there for 2 months, the radio played "Lean Back" the whole summer....
when i popped in "only built 4 cuban linx" to the system where i was workin the puerto rican brother was like "oh shit i aint heard this in years!"
so dat ignorance gotta stop, see more of the UK scene before you comment!!!
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Originally Posted by P-Noid Brown
Pimptastic this is some of the realest shit you have ever said during your time in the corp, coming from a thirteen year old you just dropped some knowledge.....well done, hopefully it's not a fluke.Quote:
Originally Posted by pimptastic
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Originally Posted by -Mad Skillz-
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Originally Posted by J-Cee
when i came back home from france ppl wouldnt belive me i saw black french dudes...
i think it will be cool if this hip-hop buisness would become international... like pop music and shit
I thought its because the retail hip-hop albums are hard to find in stores in North America from Europe....only Rock mostly...UK rock is sick.
Its the same thing why almost no one listened to southern hip-hop other than the southern states....those old eightball, convicts, al kapone, k-rino etc were hard to find in the stores anywhere else.
Even where I live, I wanted some Ray Cash and Tech n9ne...they dont sell them here around Toronto....when I go to a record store in Michigan, Ohio, or upstate NY, they have all of the midwest artists.
^^^But there is the internet, you tube acts as a great way to view foreign vids while places like ebay enable you to get hold of such albums.
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Originally Posted by P-Noid Brown
...or europe is just corny.
WAIT! SLICK RICKS A EUROPEAN RAPPER! lol it kind just restruck me, and his accent is the BOMB DIGGITY, so there, we're not close minded, you just need to all sound like slick rick.lol
Why do ppl generalize? its so closed minded of them.
Then I guess the internet isnt as much of a widely used tool as people think when discovering new music.Quote:
Originally Posted by TAURO DA GRIM LATIN
Regardless of what the actual statistic is, more people still get their albums from their local stores rather than ordering them online.
I´m an american from nyc; and I´m open minded enough I guess. I like Roots Manuva alot; some TaskForce some others. The accent is definately an acquired taste. Musically I think there are alot of talented producers/DJs from europe/asia/africa I know DJ Krush is a genius; DJ Flip from Ireland is pretty nice...
yea word up i know more DJs/Producers from outside of america, they hold it down for sure kwu brings up a good point
If you enjoy itthen thump it ifyou don't dump it. I don't look for people to accept my favorite artist. I will tell you this your music isn't all that easy to get. I'm not going to go out an dbuy an album that has some Euro dude on it and he say he spit flames. It will take more than one album for me to like you. You have to get my attention with more than just a song. anyone can do one hot song. But and ALbum? How about atleast 75% of your entire collection. ican over look your accent it's your message. I don't want to hear you spite about something that was pre spit before. New ideas, new everything. I dont' care about the Euro streets, I have to live in the American streets thankyou very much. I don't care about your struggle if it's not idenical to mind. I don't care about what you have to say if I can't listen to the song and see tha tyou are going through what I am going through or I can use your lyrics as a means of confort in the storm. That's why I don't like American Crime raps to much because I"m not a criminal, don''t do drugs,a nd don't gangbang but I am Pro black and I do like to see my people grow...
When I started this thread my intention was not for it to become a we are better than you retarded debate, nor was it my intention to convince the americans here to start liking euro/british hip hop. I simply wanted to know why americans seem to never give outside hip hop a chance but also given the chance to hear some of the better stuff coming from the uk, what did they think? and could you see yourself maybe getting into it?
It had been stated here by many people that the main reason americans (well you lot anyway) find it difficult to vibe with is because of the accent which to me is a fair point and I know exactly what they mean, even here living in london I can't really listen to hip hop from other reigons in the uk BECAUSE of the accent, it does put you off.
Others have stated that it's because americans are so self absorbed in their own shit that they just have no time to bother with anything else. Yet americans fully accept our Rock,R&B, Dance and Pop music no problem. It could be argued that through singing the accents are lost therefore making things more accesible for the american markets.
One point which a couple of people have brought up which to me seemed completley retarded was that they would not listen to euro hip hop because they are not talking about their ghettos with their american problems..........well let me ask people this, if that is the case why do you go and watch movies like City Of God? Is that not the story of ghettos in another country with their own problems? why give a shit?
Poverty and crime is the same around the world, ghettos may come in different shapes and sizes but deep down they are all the same.
I've heard Lily Allen's pop album called "Alright Still"...her singles have topped the charts in the Uk, and top 40 in some other European countries, but in North America she is non-existant.
Although her style is kinda goofy....she was still kinda funny and probably has a good teen fanbase in Uk. I liked the reggae fusion in the music.
I only heard the album because my boy that works for EMI/Virgin records had some copies and he was selling to stores. He said that its too bad shes not going to be discovered in North America. I don't think I have seen that album in the store...only a box in his trunk.
^^^Sorry but I have no idea who she is.
She was probably on the radio non-stop in the U.K....you probably heard her singles when you were out and about in public but just didnt know her name.Quote:
Originally Posted by TAURO DA GRIM LATIN
in ny theres alot of morons that loves southern shitQuote:
Originally Posted by Prolifical ENG
the south is destroying the rap thing, and dont call me a hater its true, who the hell down south spit real lyrics ?
they werent always fond of the south. no because it was hated...just not enough exposure in ny.Quote:
Originally Posted by oLd_KaiNry
then i guess the question now is will Eurpean hip-hop ever get its chance to shine? some might predict right away no...but we never know.
To be honest I never listen to the radio thanks to all the bullshit that gets played, also about a couple of years ago I vowed never to pay attention to the charts again, they had some real bullshit even for pop music, since then i've kind of just blocked it out and im all the happy for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prolifical ENG
I don't mean to make myself sound like im musicly recluse because im not I do enjoy lots of different types of music but it has to have some meaning.
I might of heard her music out and about but im just bad at remembering music I don't really feel.
regardless of what you think about the radio, the parellel case still remains that there are reasons why she only blew up in Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by TAURO DA GRIM LATIN
But of course there have been stars that blew up in UK in the past....so they could still get their turn.
How big did Craig David get in america?
or the Beatles?
sorry that the whole world don't speak in question marksQuote:
Originally Posted by Sun Tzu, Tha Soul Controllah
Well im guessing the Beatles had a slight impact in america.....lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prolifical ENG
euro rappers dont get respect because the white rappers in America have yet to be taken seriously......i mean eminem is white but thats 1 dood out of 1 million white rappers that is respected.......so once white rappers are in the norm here dont expect many to be cuddling up to the sounds of euro rappers.
So you are saying that the american hip hop masses won't accept outsiders because their racist/prejudiced views prevent them from accepting the minority in their culture?Quote:
Originally Posted by eD