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Originally Posted by supremecharma
last time i had red wine, my nose started to bleed. it was fucked up.
waking up on the floor in some strange naked english girls apartment while she's sitting there just staring at you ain't fun
but theres nothing else to do
it all depends on how much u drink
a glass of wine or a beer aday for the elderly is a good thing
life is increased
my grandmother has been doing it since my granfather died 5 years ago
she has gotting the shakes like 7 years ago
but know she has drink a galls of wine per day
the shakes are gone
she is healther then befor
and from the looks of it she will be last over a 100 years
...
i mean it aint bad for ur... in that way
but drinking to get numb is a bad thing
fucks ur brain and liver
Allergy on tanine prolly. Avoid red, stick to white.Quote:
Originally Posted by *Robbydigital*
Bout wine... especially red wine is useful for better circulation in SMALL DOSES (glass a day). Robby proved it :thumbup: .
Only really useful thing I found in alcohol besides that is that 70% alcohol (some of absynth is so strong... fucked up drink) is used for desinfection. And what is interesting, stronger or weaker alcohol doesn't have such an effect.
Ah yeah, btw. Anyone of y'all ever drank absynth?
I dont know about ya but i cant stand beer it has a terrible taste and all that Yeast ya gonaa catch a yeast infection just joking but i hear that why people be getting does beer belly because of the yeast it infliates your stomach
I always see that in the store, it comes with a spoon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slim T
However, it is now only legal for like a year in my country. I think the content varies from country. European countries supposedly have wormwood or something that makes you halucinate.
But nah I never tried it....does it taste like battery acid?
Naaah, no wormwoods, just some hallucinogene herb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prolifical ENG
Nope, it doesn't taste like battery acid, it's like... like... that shit you put on wound to desinfect it. And it fucking BURNS. I tried all concentracions, 70%, 75%, 80% and 90% and I didn't like it. I even tried absynth with added cannabis. First time I drank whole bottle of water to wash that shit outta my mouth.
The trick with spoon is that you have to fill it with sugar, then melt it on the match fire, like heroin. Then you stir absynth with such spoon and then drink it. Well I didn't try it that way, maybe it tastes better.
If absynth finds its way to Alberta there will be many Cree/Blackfoot natives found dead. They love their drink too much.
alcohol in moderation can prevent kidney stones....i prefer weed ova alcohol..i got mo control less aggreassive talk less cock n the best thing ova alcohol 4 me is i dont jump in haste in any matter...mo relaxed....
the coconut alcohol known as 'Toddy' here in d equator is a good drink but it fcked me up after 12 glasses and i slept in the middle of the road lost my bike keys landed flat on d tar bruised ' slippin i'm fallin n i cant get up'....
cheap liquor has been killing my peoples, beating up their wives downfall of many families since the rubber estate dayz...
all herbs no chemicals
Yeah I've come to that exact observation myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Os3y3ris
But alcohol can be some seriously dangerous shit in the wrong hands (minds). I've witnessed too much if it's ill effects on people.
Not to mention the law really fucks you over for getting a DUI.
I'm 25 and drink alcohol regularly. It hasn't really affected me. As far as i know it kills your liver, but yet it hasn't been affected. I have been diagnosed with high blood pressure because I am overweight, but so far i haven't had any problems. So what affects does alcohol have on your health??
I have never started a thread on this, even though I have very strong opinions on it.
I do not drink. I do not like drinking, I couldn't go out with someone who drank at all.
I don't think it is good that alcohol is seen as so normal, to the extent that I am usually considered to be abnormal for not drinking.
The other night I was reading some Ayn Rand Objectionist Philosophy stuff and one of the essays summed up exactly why (more eloquently than I have ever been able to) I don't like alcohol. It said "the pleasure of being drunk is obviously the pleasure of temporarily renouncing the responsibility of conciousness."
I think this is 100% true. I have never saw the appeal of something that dulls my mind, or gives me less control. The same essay said a rational man derives pleasure from his control over reality through his efforts. I would also agree with that.
Personally, I would like to see alcohol be seen more objectively and become less prevalent in society. I think it causes alot more health issues and mental problems than the drinking majority will admit.
It is ALMOST as senseless to me as smoking.
I understand, most people don't agree with me (in society at large) but I just wanted to get everyones attitutdes, views etc on alcohol. I know there are alot of drinking muslims in hip hop... :s and there are alot of Muslims on here so I am curious to what views there are.
Also, anyone who can find anything interesting about the effects of alcohol can post it up. :b
That's another point. Caffeine....this stuff....people drink it like water.
I am VERY sensitive to caffeine. I used to drink tonnes of it when I was young and it caused alot of depression and mood swings. It killed me to give it up but I had to....now I have ALOT more control over my energy levels. You don't get something for nothing. It picks you up then drops you - all you get is dependance.
I know one girl who was told to quit caffeine coz the doc said she had the heart of a 50 yo :s
Habit and social norms can be dangerous.
Also, I agree about the socializing revolving around alcohol....
I have made a point to not participate in this...I figure going along with something is supporting it...
I don't see a problem with alcohol. I like it for the exact reason you dislike it. Letting your personality out to play a few times a month without the usual restraints is a good thing.
every substance is fine in moderation. certain substances do not allow you moderation, and that is how i define which are the ok ones and which are the wrong ones to do. alcohol is best for social occasions. alcohol is nothing more than a way to have a good time, you're much less fun when sober.
I can agree with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Os3y3ris
A lot of people don't know how to control themselves though I was at a party last night and this girl was about 15, still in high school I know, was so drunk she passed the fuck out while standing and was unconscious outside on the concrete. Me and some other girl had to pick her up and help her to a couch.
Another girl fuckin punched me in the eye too for no good reason.
For the longest time I would get like blackout drunk a couple times a week, drunk almost everyday, wouldn't remember what I did. That shit is just unnecessary. Last few months I've cut down to 1 or 2 drink nights a week.
its not good to drink to get drunk, i just drink to drink, like you would drink a soda
i drink, but i still think societies attitude to alcohol is hypocritical.
drinking while developing is fucking terrible for the brain, not to mention an assortment of other organs.
and long term medical effects are pretty bad to.
the key is moderation i guess, having a few beers after work to me is not a problem.
your points about dulling the mind are valid, but in moderation alcohol provides a relazing sensation and goes well with meals...
im not sure about the states, but im pretty sure its the same, in Australia getting drunk is virtually part of being a citizen. its acceptable in almost all levels of society.
however illicit drug use is still viewed as a henious crime.
its not that i dont get drunk, i just think its way to acceptable in society.
See, I just can't see the need to alter my conciousness in any way that dulls it...even a bit...
And the idea of not "drinking to get drunk" has always meant to me " I drink to fit in" coz if you aren't geting drunk, or at least tipsy....why drink something so unhealthy and expensive?
"You're much less fun when sober"
I would strongly disagree....if you are sober around drunk people you realize they aren't FUN - they have just become stupider.
Oh yeah, and here in Australia they are trying to work out the rampid binge drinking and alcoholism problems with the youth....even at uni it's hard to overhear a conversation that isn't about what someone drank on the weekend or how drunk they got.
''Ignorance is bliss''
^ ignonorance is temporary bliss though, a distraction that causes more problems in the long run...
This is a funny subject with me. I never liked drinking, but I used to do it alot when I was younger like 15. Quit for a good 6 years, when I turned 21 I went crazy with it. Alot of times I drink the reason is like you said, I forget about all the shit thats going crazy in my life for 4-6 hours and I don't have to deal with anything, I'm just having fun. You're right it does make people dumber, it is way to acceptible, and it is force fed down our throats.
I was at a keg party last night btw...
alcohol has been around for 1000s of years. god bless the man who let his fruit rot and had the guts to drink it.
egyptians had beer.
every civilization drank wine.
your consciousness has many levels. it is healthy to give your ego a rest and let the id drive for a minute. it is also good to alter your consciousness from time to time.
reality is like an abstract sculpture, you can gain new insight into its meaning and get an even better appreciation of its beauty by viewing it from diff angles.
this is what drugs like lsd, thc, and alcohol can do.
now about the fun/nofun thing.... the reason u thought they were stupid was because your consciousness was not vibrating on their frequency. if you were to slow your vibration down you could see what was so fun/funny.
think about the game candyland. remember that game? wasn't it fun? try playing it now. not so fun huh? now put it in a room full of 6 year olds, magically the game becomes fun again. the game didn't change, just the perspective of the participants.
fun is relative. just as beauty is rellative. funny thing is that drinking makes people funnier and more attractive. what can be wrong with a room full of beautiful funloving folk.
everything in moderation.
I did a 34 second keg stand, best time at the party. I also projectile vomited foam all over the place when I was done, it was pretty extreme. :r:r:rQuote:
Originally Posted by Humanface Huggah
I was 2 and 0 in peer pong last night :)
Good post.Quote:
Originally Posted by STYLEMASTERR
Ugh I hate throwing up. But you know it wasn't like vomiting, it's just when you ingest too much foam and it comes right back out instead of going down. I guess cause it just foams and bubbles straight back up your throat instead of making its way to your stomache.
This is true, but I hate it so much. The way the taste stains your tongue and shit, and just that hot heavy feeling your head gets before you eject your stomaches contents.
:r:r:r:r:r:r:r
ah yes the prayer to the porcelain god. "please just get me thru this and i'll never get this drunk again"
which pales in comparison to the "stationary rollercoaster" where your brain spins and wobbles out of control.
There are some very stupid points in here.Quote:
Originally Posted by STYLEMASTERR
1. Let your ego have a rest? We are unconcious in sleep about a third of our lives. And I don't think alcohol is a real "rest" as I don't think it helps one better deal with things. Also, I am 100% capable (as is any person who hasn't drunk and felt the need to build up lies to themselves to justify it) of relaxing without any chemicals. I can get very relaxed or happy just kicking it with a book or dvd....being able to do this YOURSELF at will is a sign of health...not needing a poison to shut down certain parts of the brain.
2. Thousands of years? So what? Every civilisation has done it.....big deal? It never contributed positively in any way. Some societies where alcohol was not the social norm also did alot - Look and Al Andulus for example. Also, by this logic the fact that the Ancient Egyptians and all great civilisations have had murder means it is good and we should continue it? The fact it has been done for a long time, by many people adds no credibility to it - and it sounds alot more like a justification than a logical argument in alcohol's favor.
3. While some things like alcohol and LSD etc can give you another view on reality it is a distorted view. And while you may gain some useful insights from this, there is alot of damage to the brain. I saw a show on extacy the other day and after 7 years of using ecstasy once the brain had only recovered to HALF its seretonin levels. That is FUCKED. I am sure heavy hallucigens like LSD etc also have very bad effects. I know of more than one person who has developed schizoprenia through drug use. Also ALL the insights gained from these chemicals could be acheived naturally, more beneficially through natural methods such as meditation.
4. Yes. That is right. I had not become DUMBER like them, and so we did not find the same things amusing. "Vibrating" - shit you make it sound like they have been elevated up to a higher level - it isn't like they were sporadically spitting divine poetry, or gaining great insisghts into metaphysics....or as if their sense of humour had even imrpoved! When some one sits there mumbling shit like "I love you man...." and laughing their head of at shit that doesn't make sense they have become STUPIDER. So we are at different levels because they have gone down...not coz I failed to move. Also, this is proven in the fact that alcohol doesn't increase ANY functions of the mind. Its effects come soley from INHIBITING certain faculties. So yes, from a scientific perspective too they have become DUMBER.
5. Your justification for all of this is that we should return to the mentality of a 6 year old?! LMFAO!
Now, I think as people get older they lose some good things - eg, innocence, lack of judgment, imagination. However, in order to retain any of these it should NOT require a person to lose the intellect and reasoning faculties that have developed since.
Imagination and enjoyment are not mutually exclusive to intellect. In fact, they should work together to bring about higher levels of fun and enjoyment. Also, like I said...peopel don't get drunk to be more fun...they simply dumb themselves down to make their own boredom seem more interesting.
Mankind moves forward by our ideas. Some of us will contribute to humanity with our ideas, or at least try our best to, while others think the pinacle of life is getting lost in a childlike stupour to forget how much they don't like themselves.
Also, most people I have met who regularly drink seem no happier than me, if anything...I would say it is quite the opposite. They also seem to lack confidence and imagination which is why I think many people drink.
Also, I would like to say "moderation" seems to be a catch word. This is a recognition that alot of it would be bad. Hence, let's minimze the bad....so as to not do too much damage...
There is no moderation when you chose to be a thinking, logical human or a scared animal. Every time you much that choice it is one extreme or another. How often you make the wrong choice will obviously impact the amount of damage you do to yourself.
From my point of view (yes, it is only an opinion) renouncing conciousness for the bliss of ignorance is immoral. There is no moderation in immorality. Can you steal moderately? Rape moderately? Kill moderately? I really really feel like raping a woman...is it ok to just rape on every few months, in moderation?
Now you might say rape has a victim, drinking does not. Of course it does. Besides yourself, you are taking away from your potential to contribute to humanity with your mind, ideas, judgments - maybe if more people could think in this world some of its problems would start clearing up, coz we made this world what it is.
True moderation would be balance in a persons life. Meaning all areas are integral in the whole, and balanced. For example you look after your physical and mental health but don't let one take away from the other becoming unbalanced. You work and rest to get the right balance. Notice these are all things conducive to human existence and necessary, simply being kept in normal proportions, not useless negatives which must be limited to avoid ruin.
Alcohol is not necessary for our existence in anyway. It contributes nothing positive and has many downfalls. Oh, you need it to relax? Then you have a dependency problem! I don't drink at all...and I am hardly on the verge of having a breakdown, infact alcohol increases depression and mental disorders, so long run it is counter productive even in this respect.
The truth is (and someone can correct me if I am wrong) the ONLY benefit of alcohol is summed up (to a greater or lesser extent depending on how much you drink) in the maxim "ignorance is bliss." All other arguments offered can be reduced back to this.
Now if you drink. Fine, that is your business. But all that means is that there is something about you, your life or whatever, that makes you want to be less concious of it.
you contradicted yourself and committed a few non sequiturs. but you didn't have to call my comments stupid. thats a sign of insecurity by the way.
1.anything in excess is bad.
you claim that if something is done excessively and causes harm, then its is bad for you in moderation as well. (2:219) (5: 90-91) i feel you but even the Quran says that there is some good in wine.
but exercise if done too much can kill you. work, the same. eating, sleeping, sex and even thinking too much can be a bad thing. (all thought no action)
are you suggestiing we stop? of course not.
2. you agree that thc lsd and alcohol can give you insight. but then you say something about X. who said x was good? you watched a show about it. tv kills braincells, damages your vision, causes radiation posioning and dumbs you down, plus it is an escape from reality. so according to you its immoral. there is no moderation in immorality so throw your tv away.
3. yes, 6yo mentality is good sometimes. get in touch with your inner child.
4. my point is that altering one consciousness is part of the human experience. since the beginning of time.
5. alot of your commentary was rambling nonsense. ur just chicken. bwak bwak. come on man, drinlk. all the cool people do it.
to add. you hang with some lame mfs or you are basing your opinion on exaggerations. the whole "i love you man" thing is laughable. but as far as the humor thing goes. every comedy club serves liquor. wonder why. liquor is a social lubricant. sometimes peple build up such a fortified ego or mask that it is too hard to loosen up.
i also like how your ways of loosening up are things you do alone. books dvd internet.
haha ur a nerd!!
That isn't a sign of insecurity. It is a sign I saw no logic in many of your points.
1.LMAO! The Koran incrementally prohibited alchol because of the state of Arabia at the time. The early verses kinda implied to minimize it then when the Koran outright prohibited it the Arabs smashed and poured out their alcohol.
"They ask you about intoxicants and gambling: say, 'In them there is a gross sin, and some benefits for the people. But their sinfulness far outweighs their benefit.'" 2:219
"O you who believe, intoxicants, and gambling, and the altars of idols, and the games of chance are abominations of the devil; you shall avoid them, that you may succeed." 5:90
They are pretty strong words! ABOMINATIONS OF THE DEVIL! It is hardly saying it is half cool like you are trying to imply. Also, it says there is some benefit - yes, I agree - the benefit of temporary, blissful ignorance. It also says the harm FAR OUT WEIGHS this benefit. So the net result is still harm. I can find SOME BENEFIT in almost any bad act.....it is hardly supporting alcohol.
Also, the Hadith of Muhammed is clear too "if a bottle intoxicates, a drop is forbidden."
As far as I can see all of the above is pretty much in accord with what I said.
2. LOL I agree TV is a waste of time. I am lucky to watch an hour of television a week. But it kills brain cells now? That's new...how does it do that...with its radiation? TV is a medium for information....it can be good or bad depending on how it is used. I rarely watch tv and when I do I like watching stuff that interests me...however, I think the only sin in watching television is the waste of time...and I hardly watch it. However, people do need to relax naturally...and sometimes doing nothing is ok. Unlike drugs or alcohol it has no negative effects except for the opportunity cost of time that could be better spent. And if all you time is spent on television you may well get dumber. I don't see it as IMMORAL...just not the most productive use of time....if a person continuously wastes their time...then that would be immoral....and sometimes I do waste my time, I try not to. But I never said either that I was the model of morality.
Also, the X was just an example of how long term drug effects can be. I know it wasn't related....but like I said I am sure the drugs you mentioned have similar effects....I just didn't happened to watch a show on any of them or be bothered to dig up the stats on them.
3. Like I said, that shouldn't mean you have to revert to stupidity and renounce the intellect.
4. I was saying this lends no credibility to it - and it still doesn't.
5. Haha It wasn't rambling nonsense :P You know I think that's the saddest thing about alcohol...people who drink coz others do....
And if I were cool do you think I would spend so much time on this forum....religion, philosophy, politics, books.....dude, anyone on here hardly fits the normal definition of "cool" anymore....personally I am glad for that :)
Alcohol is here to stay. That being said I like alcohol but I do not drink like I used to. Alcohol can open ones inhibitions and allow people to relax. It can also turn people into bumbling idiots and make them obnoxious. I believe alcohol is a phase for most people, we all have fun drink all night get shit faced say we won't do it again and then repeat it the next weekend or month later. I for one don't really drink any more unless I'm at a social occasion. Even then its just a drink or two nothing compared to my younger years. It all depends on the person some people become alcoholics others make bad choices when intoxicated. It just depends on the person.
Alcohol is ok, but its all about the weed man. No hangover :)