i agree with noel,i just couldnt listen to Ghost after bulletproof wallets and i got even more pissed off when i wasted my good earned money on fishcale and more fish....
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i agree with noel,i just couldnt listen to Ghost after bulletproof wallets and i got even more pissed off when i wasted my good earned money on fishcale and more fish....
I was always more of a GZA & RZA fan, but again, I could never say Ghost is wack, just sometimes he's above average, sometimes not...I found it strange with Ghost, I like The Pretty Toney Album, but this album is rather inconsistent
I thought Ironman was ok.Supreme Clientele was great but Bulletproof Wallets was ass.He redemed himself alot with Pretty Toney ( wich I really like ) but Fishscale was beh.A few good tracks but overall unimpressive.The Theodore Unit album was good but More Fish was just booty.I'm glad I just downloaded it.I always thought he was one of the least out of the clan allthough he was good in their hey day.His rhymes didn't do anything for me cuz basically I couldn't understand 80% of the things he said.
You know how I know ghost hasn't fallen off? People keep making threads like this. You don't see many U-god hate threads, because he isn't worth talking about. Any time an artist wishes to diversify his catalogue and expand his audience, especially a Wu-Tang artist, he has fallen off. Whatever, keep up the good work ghost.
LOL there was a time not so long ago where there indeed were U-God hate threadsQuote:
Originally Posted by beautifulrock
ohhh man,i remember the Ugod hate season...yall aint seen shit yet till you see those threads,they really got him
I like Ghost cuz his flow is dope but I do agree. SC has had pretty much full rotation in my CD player for a long time now and More Fish and Fishscale just make guest appearances once in a while. While, I must commend the man for really trying to bring back the Wu...I think bringing it back would be appealing to the people who know that mainstream hip-hop isn't the be all, end all of rap.
Co-sign. :mmmyah: This is one of the most puzzling threads I've read on this forum. I use to think, especially among Wu fans, that Ghostface was unanimously regarded as a consistent artist. Even his worst album is well above average. Not saying he needs to be your favorite Wu member (let alone favorite MC) or anything, but Ghost is clearly a very creative artist who still keeps you guessing as to what he's going to add to the mix. His wordplay has become much more focused since Supreme Clientele, which in retrospect is a bit of an oddball album in terms of Ghostface's lyrics compared to his other works. The most hardcore Ghostface haters always say "Ghostface is wack because he doesn't make any sense. None of his lyrics on Supreme Clientele make any sense!!" And that's the ONLY album from which that argument applies. Ghostface himself said he doesn't understand all the lyrics on Supreme Clientele. He was, however, perfectly understandable, albeit less versatile than nowdays, on Ironman. His albums post-Clientele are also perfectly understandable. Unlike alot of artists with several albums under their belts, BPW/Pretty Tony/Fishscale sound nothing alike. That alone should earn Ghostface props for no being boring. Also, since when does every album have to be in the same style as Ironman or Supreme Clientele to NOT be considered great?Quote:
Originally Posted by murkoutz
Saying Ghostface fell off is really like saying Nas fell off. Sure he's not spitting like he was on Illmatic, but during those days he wouldn't have put together tracks like Black Zombie or Rewind. Same with Ghostface. Sure he's not spitting like he was on Ironman, but during those days he wouldn't have done tracks like Underwater or Tony Montana. Ghostface has expanded well beyond the dimensions of stuff he use to spit. His flow speaks for itself, and is MUCH sharper now than it was on Ironman (flow-wise he isn't much different now than how he was on Clientele, but he switches it up more than he did back then). His topic range has become much broader and, in alot of ways, more underground. I hardly see how that's a bad thing considering even if he was spittin' like 50 he wouldn't go double platinum regardless.
Somone please move this to the Bring Da Rukus section, where it belongs.
Are all of his verses worthy of Ironman or SC? No.
But UNLIKE the other Wu members, he is actually releasing material with some promotion.
It took one of them 15 years to figure out how to compete in the music industry. If Method Man had released 421 in the same manner of Fishscale, that would have probably been the album of the year.
i just hate his flow nowadays. he sounds like shit all whiny and slow. he use to sound so amped like he was ready 2 fuck a nigga up. he fell off big time as far as im concerned. at one point i thought he was the greatest wu member. he aint even in my top three anymore.
How was he NOT whiny on Supreme Clientele? If you claim to enjoy his flow on that album, how can you not enjoy his flow nowadays (furthermore, nowdays, flow-wise, he switches it up much more than he did back then). You're straight up lying sayin' his flow is slow nowdays (at least, it's no slower than it was on Supreme).Quote:
Originally Posted by harm77
but, not anymore right? That's my point. Who's waiting for Mr. Xcitement 2? You guys are waiting for ghost to drop a couple more albums so you can bash him some more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeru
fishscale had bangers
more fish has some nice tracks
the fact is, he can rip most rappers out today, you put him on a track with someone else, he will shine if not outshine the rest
"how the fuck was you thinkin?
you think I fell off the ledge
the legendary ghostdinni might be dead?
neva impossible! pull out black burners like tonsils"
nuff said...
I've never thoroughly enjoyed Ghost as much as I did on Ironman and Supreme.
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Originally Posted by beautifulrock
see i dont get the obsession with diversification or experimentation. i like experimental music alot, an artist that constantly changes what they do interests me, but experimentation for the sake of it useles if the music doesnt sound good. ghost's experimentation with more mainstream stuff on the fish albums didnt sound good imo. listen to the first verse on "Be Easy" to know what im talking about.
im not hating on ghost, as i said i liked a few tracks of both of his recent album, i just can't how people call him consistent. the quality of his work changes alot, not only from album to album, but during albums.
its not about hating on him, i just think he needs to make some better decisions in terms of style, beats, concept etc.
in the end as with everything music related it is subjective, i guess some people may like his new stuff more than older shit which is fair enough. but he is not consistant.
with ghostface its a mixed bag.Quote:
Originally Posted by beautifulrock
one half of fans think he's one of the greats and the most consistent, the other half think he hasnt done anything that good since supreme clientele.
everyone pretty much agrees that u-god's albums arent that good so there's no need to constantly debate on something that everyone agrees upon.
Golden Arms Redemption is a classic
I somewhat agree with the thread starter. Although I still think Ghost is one of the best, he still has it lyrically, his subject matter seems to be the same throughout his last few albums. Fishscale was his last great album, not taking anything away from More Fish, but Fishscale is really great (notice I didnt say classic. It's a great album. Supreme Clientele is classic.) I think he needs to chill a little with all the cocaine stuff. But then again, maybe it's Def Jam, as someone else previously stated. Young Jeezy & Rick Ross is what's selling these days so it could be that Def Jam is pushing Ghost into that direction. His past couple of albums have all been strictly cocaine talk (save for a few songs like "The Strap", "Underwater", "Greedy Bitches" and "Alex"). I think he should of left it at that on Fishscale and came with another theme on More Fish. It sounds like he's taking steps backwards instead of forwards. Whatever happened to the feelings you would get when you first heard "Cobra Clutch" or "Mighty Healthy".
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Originally Posted by B O T
one thing ive learnt from this forum is that everyone disagrees about everything.
there are people who really like "Mr. Excitement".
i too think its a spectacular album. but even GAR doesnt get that much love. certainly more than his last 2 albums.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeru
a great majority dont however, but yeah every single person isnt gonna like or dislike anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by sean michael
i've seen dudes on here say that cuban linx is average and that liquid swords sucked.
Whatever
take it easy noel... :D...Quote:
Originally Posted by noel411
ok, i can see partly where you are coming from... fishcale was ok... but i dont see how you dont like More Fish... i love that album... ghostface's lyrics now dangle on mainstream turf, but i feel that he does it in a unique way, and perhaps everyone still praises ghost because he is consistent?? and he constantly keeps releasing new shit... and when your favorite artists releases new shit, and is nothing like how they originally came out... some people are mad and dont listen to them anymore and then the others think ... "hey its still ghost" and with that in mind they still picture him as lengendary.
im not saying ghost has fallen off, but maybe is writing lyrics to keep up with the flow of music... peace my aussie homie... :D hit the waves
FishScale > MoreFish
More Fish had too many fillers and too much Trife, he starts sounding the same after a while.
I have to say that since the 718 Mixtape I havent purchased any new Wu albums. Avid collector before that, but my financial situation chanegd up a bit, and it just wasn't worth it all.
Over here in Holland Fishscale was hailed by much of the hiphop community s a classic. Everybody found it great. A first listen made it nice. BUt the longevity just wasn't there. Alot of the beats somehow didn't feel right of just too simple for words. Lyrics didn't caught on.
The album wasn't an album it was a mere collection of Ghost songs put together. With the average stand out of high light there to be excited about. But the overall was just so press forward. It sort of had the same empty feel Pretty Toney left you with after four months. The time that you forgot that he even released an album.
More Fish suffered a similar faith. It could have been a way better album if more than half of the tracks were cut off. The EP format or combination with Fishscale would have suited it better. The albums tasted like Fastfood.
Not too long ago I started a thread about how Ghost needed more Psychedelic productions. As stated my problem with Ghost was more production wise. That is the first thing that captures my mind lately as I did not find the time to sit through the albums and listen to the lyrics.
Personally I still digged a record like Bullet Proof Wallets. That was the last one album that truely felt like a solid record. The distinctive sound throughout the record is so clear. Thereīs alot to be said about the released version and the cut cuts. For me itīs still great.
Pretty Toney was the one that sky rocketed the media with Ghost fetish. Sure it was nice to hear Ghost rap over the Delphonics record. At the end, the album didnīt hold together. A person can only digest so many tastes at a time.
Just maybe, a common factor between all these albums is. Wu involvement and production. Just maybe. Sure Supreme Clientele had a whole collection of different producers, difference there is they remained working with the same sound for all of it. That ear went missing with Raekwons watch.
Yeah I know and that's sad, but can't argue with opinionsQuote:
Originally Posted by B O T
We donīt anymore because it all peaked at one point. We went over the hill and saw through the looking glass. Everything needed to chill. The comedy had taken his tool on U-God and the quality of the forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by beautifulrock
And I am most certainly waiting for U-God to drop something that feels good. Where we can hug him again and leave the jokes about Mc Donalds behind us/me.
I think you have to been there at the time to understand the situation we went through here. Every topic had a U-God reference.
i cant believe how many response this got already..
but i can't really disagree with the original post...i didnt like Bulletproof Wallets, hated Pretty Toney (although alotta the tracks that didnt make it onto the album were fire), Fishscale was ok but i get annoyed by it, and i didnt even get More Fish...
Ironman and SC are 2 of my fav albums of all time so i aint a Ghost hater...i thought Charlie Brown was some of his illest shit in a long time..he fuckin murdered that.....other than that though, most of his stuff hasnt been that special..he doesnt really have the crazy rhyme style anymore, he sounds not too diff from every1 else and i cant stand it when he sings on tracks...............
i think whenever the Swift n Changeable album comes out it will be amazing tho....
Your a dickhead. I just stated my opinion on Ghost these days. That's not me lying u faggot. Look up the word lying in the dictionary you stupid groupie.Quote:
Originally Posted by hide1998
Dead right.Quote:
Originally Posted by harm77
I thought More Fish was an above average album. I think you are all too picky when it comes to this.
I know its hard not to compare every album to SC and Ironman, but come on.
Ghostface is the ONLY member of Wu Tang coming with any sort of substance these days aside from Masta Killa(we'll see about Rae).
Fishscale is a good album. There are some bangers on there. ANd like I said, I don't get the hating on More Fish..that album is raw as fuck.
Ghost's voice has always been high pitched and whiny. I don't know what some of you are really getting at. No ones voice sounds the same over time.
Ghost has been consistent. He might not be hitting .400 with all his albums, but he is a consistent .300 hitter. Every MC makes wack song, has wack verses, so that comparison to 50, u could do that with anyone.
ITS ABOUT DELIVERY TOO. Alotta dudes got rhymes, but there delivery sucks.
I don't think all ghostaces albums are classics. Fishscale was just alright, but it was far from wack.
Back Like That was a good song, I dont understand who would bitch about it. AND it got played on the radio, that is a feat in and of itself for the Wu.
I just don't think that Ghostface is deserving of a thread like this because he really hasn't fallen off at all. A guy like Nas, yea, u could say he fell off somewhat...but then again..it was written, I am, and Lost Tapes were still pretty dope. You cant hit a homerun with every album.
harm77 u took the words out of my mouth
oh btw the reason i listened to wu was cause of ghost.
ghost is still on of the best mcs out there today
theres no real comp
you would expect nas, ghost, jay-z etc to raise the bar to shine over everyone else
To me his albums are roughly 6, 7, 7.5, 8, 9, 10. Basically he's run the gauntlet. He's done it all. I don't really expect more than three real good solo albums in a decade from anyone. It just isn't normal. Everything he does now is just icing on the cake. He's always good on the Clan albums. And he's always good on the Clan member's albums.
I just wish he'd sing a lot less and I don't feel Theodore Unit at all.
blaaa blaaa blaaa
Definately feeling this. I used to have big issues about this around the time the PT album dropped, and just prior to that.Quote:
ghost post SC started to sound whiney also, im not sure what happened to his voice but although i can tolerate it, its still irritating
Yes I can actually. That song is fucken shit and I really wish it had never been put together. To think we finally get another track with all Wu members and it's over a fucking RECYCLED DOOM BEAT! That makes me sick. On top of that the song sounds like shit.Quote:
cant front on 9 mili brothers as forgetable
This is putting words in my mouth in the same fashion as SO many people on forums do when such things as this are discussed. Just because I said they were his only 2 great albums it DOES NOT at all suggest that I expect everything he releases to sound like those albums.Quote:
Also, since when does every album have to be in the same style as Ironman or Supreme Clientele to NOT be considered great?
Very simply put, but yes, I absolutely agree with this. I liked the Ghost we heard on 'Da Mystery Of Chessboxin'', 'Criminology', 'Wildflower' etc. I haven't heard that for many years. Age is a motherfucker though. I'd put that down to age.Quote:
he sounds like shit all whiny and slow. he use to sound so amped like he was ready 2 fuck a nigga up
I really could not disagree with this more.Quote:
you put him on a track with someone else, he will shine if not outshine the rest
Feeling this.Quote:
i dont get the obsession with diversification or experimentation. i like experimental music alot, an artist that constantly changes what they do interests me, but experimentation for the sake of it useles if the music doesnt sound good
Yeah sorry, I jumped the gun a bit after that first guy got upset. This thread has actually had a good response.Quote:
take it easy noel
people like this cat above me are what is bringin down this forum.
How is someone from Ausi allowed to have an opinion on hip hop?
you can say whatever the fuck u want back, I aint comin back in this shit thread anyways
Number 1 contradiction of '07.Quote:
Originally Posted by 11th Chamber
wow, never heard so much bs in my life. That track is absolute fire. The verses and beat are absolutely sick. after listening to most of your maddening commentary on this thread, I conclude you are just a hater unwilling or unable to expand his mind or horizons. Shame on you for even starting this thread. At least ghost puts the time and effort in to try and produce a lot of material. While I agree that its not all great, I don't see in any way that ghost has fallen off. On the contrary I think he has more fans then ever before.Quote:
Originally Posted by noel411
edit: response to 11th chamber
in terms of artist integrity:
new aussie hip hop > new us hip hop.
over here people make music they think is good, instead of music they think other people will buy.
so i think an australian opinion is as valid as any other.
continue to believe you know more than other people.