"and you so-called muslims, judging shouldn't be in your vocabulary for you are not the judge, you are the judged"
there is no judging going on what so ever just a good old-fashioned debate
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"and you so-called muslims, judging shouldn't be in your vocabulary for you are not the judge, you are the judged"
there is no judging going on what so ever just a good old-fashioned debate
I wasn't hating, nor did I imply Allah and Islam were english terms. I was actually commending you on your ability with etamology. I was just trying to point out that words have different meanings for different languages. When someone tansalates something into another language, some of it's orignal meaning is lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Man
Next time you should actually read the post before you reply.
You may as well have just said, " I have no proof to back this." instead of taking the 3rd grader's route. My proof lies with Abraham (S.A.W.) because he named us Muslims. READ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Man
As for that jibberish about 'hating on the NGE', it's the philosophy I don't agree with. Also, there's a difference between hating and disagreeing. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm hating on you. Hating is when you don't like someone or something for A: No reason, or B: Because they have something you don't. In both cases, I have NO REASON to 'hate' on the NGE. You should be ashamed of yourself, wtf am I givin' Ebonic Lessons to you for Black Attack??
Anyway, The RZA and Ghost may still talk that 'black man is god' stuff, but with RZA's titles like "A Day To God Is 1000 Years" which is directly from The Qur'an, "The 99 Attributes of Allah" which is only known in Al-Islam, and Ghostface's song "Underwater" where he clearly says, "All I heard was Allah Hu Akbar! Allah Hu Akbar! Bismillah Ar-Rahman Ar-Rahim!", and in "One" where he says, "Loungin' at the mosque, suede kufi.", you know damn well that TRUE Islam is influencing these cats way more than you want to believe.
I just read Sidious' last post, so Ghost did convert, revert really, to Al-Islam. Al-Humdulillah. I knew what I heard on those last few albums wasn't just talk.
As for judgement, you have a lot of nerve to even let that slip past your fingers. You don't believe in judgement, because the idea that a living breathing person, living breathing PEOPLE rather, are gods, completely flushes the idea of Final Judgement down the drain. So wtf?? Muslims don't judge because that's not our job. When we call you on your shit, we're acting as witnesses against mankind. If you had taken the time to read about what you pretend to know so much about, this wouldn't be news to you. Muslims are witnesses against mankind and The Prophet, Peace and Blessings be upon him, is a witness against us.
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Originally Posted by Hellspawn
8OQuote:
Originally Posted by sidious_katana
Y'all better be jokin'.....
Not really trying to add fuel to the fire but....Quote:
Originally Posted by Urban_Journalz
You haven't really been fair to me in the past with your judgements. So let's just be honest about it and stop all the self ritcheousness....we can however, move forward from this point.
LOL!!! As you non-chalantly douse the flames with your favorite brand of kerosene.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charging Soldier
again.....
So, what you thought to be a judgement, was really my bearing witness. An observation. If it was a judgement, I'd have said something like, "You should be shot, hung, stabbed, stretched, dis-emboweled, then drawn and quartered." I'm not going to apologize for the way I responded either, because your selective memory is currently hindering you from remembering the things you said to give rise to my responses. I am honest about it, you, like so many other people are always the first ones to say, "Don't you judge me!", when all it would take is someone correcting you or not agreeing with you to feel that way and in most cases, you can't stand being wrong. I'm not here for you, so therefore I don't have to cater to you. If you're as smart as you pass yourself off to be, you'll learn to leave the past in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Urban_Journalz
Your implications are judgement passing. And you continue to do so even in that last post.
By implying that my memory is selective, your passing a judgement.
never a person in the U.S. military by the name of clarence 13X.Quote:
"clarence 13 x was a korean war veteran"
the founder of the Nation of Gods and Earths is Allah, nor was he a founder of a religion. please, give it up. you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to the NGE.Quote:
dont fuckin tell me he wasent in the korean war..that shows you know shit about your religons founder.
wrong again, and he wasn't "kicked out" if he was kicked out, what was the charge?Quote:
"He questioned some of wallace fard muhammeds teachings"
he questioned the divinity of wallace (god to the noi...proberly cuz he
wanted that status for himself) so they kicked him out
name me an organization that was a "black power movement" that didn't use the slogan "black power" or didn't use the "red, black, and green flag?"Quote:
"every black power movement in america used the slogan "black power" and also used the red, black, and green flag....now when did anybody in the NGE use any of these methods"---- those are stereotypical methods...jus cuz a group dosent use, red, black and green flags that means there not a power movement?...i dont thinks so...and how can you say NGE is not a power movement when you claim that all black men are GODZ?
you're using stereotypes of what a black power movement is, and again, you don't know what you're talking about.
a "power movement" is different from a "black power movement" don't exclude words.
The BLACKMAN IS GOD, has nothing to do with a "black power movement"
lol....i don't know about el hajj malik el SHABAZZ!!! SHABAZZ (the god tribe as taught by T.H.E.M), you don't know about that man. I get first hand accounts by people who actually knew him such as his wife (p.b.u.h). please tell, what "muslims" utilize "SHABAZZ?" now did brother malik really leave the teachings of T.H.E.M?Quote:
and dont tell me shit about malcom X you dont know shit bout him...he was a member of the NOI but converted to real islam once he saw the perfect intergration of ALL races in mecca...he was shortafter killed by the noi...he had no affiliation whatsoever with the NGE (which was not even fully formed at that time anyway)
i don't care what that man "converted" to, he still bears witness that the blackman is god.Quote:
an by the way ghostface has recently converted to islam
Allah comes from the ARAMAIC word Alāhā, which means "The God."Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Man
Islam is derived from the word aslama, which carries the meaning of "surrender, submission, obedience, and peace." Aslama is an arabic word.
Imperial1
stop lying BM he did fight in the war
i did read what you wrote...what you wrote then is not the same as the above....maybe you should re-read what you post and make sure it's what you wanna say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charging Soldier
i'm aware words have different meanings in different languages and i also know that the meaning of translated words can lose some of the original meaning or it can be totally different from language to language.
etamology, when dealing with the science, you're going to the root of the word, not the connotation, not the assumed definition or anything like that, but the root.
is that a problem for you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hellspawn
Allah is also ONE and not MANY, therefore, NO man is Allah. Therefore, we do NOT agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by not-really-a-black man
Imperial1
its a problem for you that you cant accept yourself and must pretend to be someone your notQuote:
Originally Posted by Black Man
why are you people trying to use wu members to justify something as if you know them.Quote:
Anyway, The RZA and Ghost may still talk that 'black man is god' stuff, but with RZA's titles like "A Day To God Is 1000 Years" which is directly from The Qur'an, "The 99 Attributes of Allah" which is only known in Al-Islam, and Ghostface's song "Underwater" where he clearly says, "All I heard was Allah Hu Akbar! Allah Hu Akbar! Bismillah Ar-Rahman Ar-Rahim!", and in "One" where he says, "Loungin' at the mosque, suede kufi.", you know damn well that TRUE Islam is influencing these cats way more than you want to believe.
why do you pretend to be black on the internet?
Cause he wants to be on the level of God and even a real black man can't make that achievement.Quote:
Originally Posted by kwu
Imperial1
Back on topic...
I grew up around a lot of arab muslims and they were pretty cool. I don't associate the religion with terrorism but I have my own beefs with it including:
* Muslims try to act like their religion works with science a lot better than Christianity but they still have to do the same apologist work on a lot of things where it just doesn't.
* Some muslims who are black try to downplay the religion's ties to the slave trade.
* Some of them that were Christians have a double standard where because they are angry at Christianity for various reasons, they will point all of Christianity's faults when its applied poorly and downplay similar problems in Islam
* Some muslims think all Jews are Zionists and use it as an excuse to harass them. Serious anti-semitism going on, disguised as "Anti-Zionism." I know there's a lot of sincere anti-Zionism that aint anti-semitic but y'all know damn well that some people just use anti-Zionism as an excuse to hate.
* You had to bend scripture to make Hindus "people of the book" in India.
* It creates some arrogant motherfuckers, but that's true in every religion.
Other than that, pretty much OK people. Since most of the above issues dont come up in daily life, I can get along with muslims well.
And Black Man, he DID fight in the military...
"...Now I was in the Army. I don't teach them not to go in the Army. I went and I came back. I saw action. I got the Bronze Star. I got all these medals. Now I came back home. I didn't benefit from it as by such as luxury but I did benefit by knowing how to teach a man. To teach a man to make a boy a man. This is what I did..."
http://mentoryouthstreetacademy.com/NGE16.aspx
No :) but obviously for you coz you're following a religion who says "white man is the devil", are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Man
nahhh is he white 4 reals.......
you make me laugh "black man" first off you chat mostly shit
second you are a cocasion male calling yourself blackman, and claiming that black man is god, you are white hence you are not god but an evil race created by the scientist yacob? correct me if iam wrong....you are confused,and hating your own race...the NGE is almost exclusively a power movement created for coloured people...you are not coloured...so you are not part of that group..and never will be
because he teaches that the true and living god is indeed the original.... he is not guilty of being white (in his warped mind)
i feel sorry for anyone with that state of mind
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Originally Posted by Black Man
i see you went to "my" website....thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultimate Fist
i don't follow a religion. the nation of gods and earths is not a religion. try again buddy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hellspawn
ok now comment the second part of the question :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Man
and dont tell me :
1-what do you exactly mean with "white man"?
2-what's the devil?
3-why do you use an interrogation mark?
4-why do you write in yellow?
only Straight facts please :b
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Originally Posted by sidious_katana
I will correct your error because you are in error.
yes, the white man is not god, and I don't make the claim the blackman is god, I bear witness to that truth.
no, yabub (this particular history is mentioned in the quran) did not create a race, he made a people governed by a certain nature.
i'm not confused, understanding is seeing things clearly for what they really are and not what they appear to be. it is you who is confused.
i don't hate on my own race, whatever "race" is. i speak the truth about all people.
the NGE is not a "power movenement" nor is it exclusive. people of all areas and backgrounds throughout the globe are in the NGE....white black mexican hispanic p. rican dominican brazillian indian native american arabs etc. etc....again, you speak out of ignorance.
the NGE was not created for "colored people" and I am colored by the way, again you speak out of ignorance.
again, if I chose to be an active member of the Nation of Gods and Earths, I have that ability. I am not exluded because I am "white" or "colored" for there are "white" 5% or "colored" 5%, but the ignorant (you) walk blindly in the dark and speak with the tongue of ignorance.
Just a lil' something to get the mouth wet....dealing with "Islam" let's look into the history of...
Anthropomorphism is a Greek word coming from “anthropos” meaning man and “morphe” meaning form. It represents God manifesting himself in human form.
The name Allah was the name of the Supreme God in Arabia and throughout the so-called Middle East (which was originally populated by Black People) long before Muhammad was ever born. Dr. W.C. Tisdall, inhis The Original Sources of the Qur’an, notes: “It is not possible to suppose that the recognition of the unity of God was introduced among the Arabs for the first itme by Muhammad. For the word Allah, containing as it does the definite article, is a proof tha tthose who used it were in some degree conscious fo the Divine Unity. NOW MUHAMMAD DID NOT INVENT THE WORD (ALLAH), BUT….FOUND IT ALRADY IN USE AMONG HIS FELLOW COUNTRYMEN AT THE TIME WHEN HE FIRST CLAIMED TO BE A PROPHET….
Samuel M. Zwemer, in his The Moslem Doctrine of God, says also: “But history establishes beyond a shadow of doubt that even the pagan Arabs, before Muhammad’s time, knew their chief god by the name Allah and even in a sense proclaimed His unity. In pre-Islamic literature….’ilah’ is used for any god and Al-ilah, contracted to Allah…was the name of the Supreme. Among the pagan Arabs this term denoted the chief God of their pantheon….As final proof, we have the fact the centuries before Muhammad the Arabian Kaaba, or temple at Mecca, was called Beit-Allah, the house of God…
The Beit-Allah or House of God goes back 6,000 years to a time when only Black People populated Arabia. At this time the black Arabians worshipped only the one God.
In the ancient ruins of Southern Arabia, which became the center of Black rule in Arabia, the name Allah is found in the Himyaritic inscriptions. Philip Hitti, in his History of The Arabs, notes: “Allah….was the principle…deity of Makkah. THE NAME IS AN ANCIENT ONE. It occurs in two South Arabic inscriptions, one a Minaean found at al-Ula and the other Sabean (South Arabia), but abounds in the form HLH in the Lihyanite inscriptions of the fifth century BC. Lihyan, who evidently got the god from Syria, was the first center of the worship of this deity inArabia. The name occurs as hallah in the Safa inscriptions five centuries before Islam….”
The Lihyanites were not the first Arabian worshipers of Allah, only the oldest which are so documented.
Encyclopedia of Islam, Lihyan was a descendant of Djurhume, who came from Yemen (South Arabia). “their skin were black and shinning; their looks….were not hollow but round and teeming.”
The name Allah was often written simply as “Al” because the so-called Semitic or Middle Eastern languages were consonantal – they were written without vowels. One exception was the letter “A” at the beginning of the name. The second “a” (Allah phonetically is “ALA”) is not written but understood.
The worship of God as a formless spirit….did not originate with the Original Man nor was it taught by the Prophets of God. This way of viewing God began with the Greek philosophers. In the fifth century B.C., Anaxagoras reacted against the anthropomorphic God of the Black Man and Woman and instead proclaimed that God was and “infinte self-moving mind…not enclosed in any body.” But it was his successor Xenophanes who launched a full fledged attach on the God of the Original People. He condemned the God of the Ethiopians because He had a “snub nose and black hair.” Xenophanes said this way of understanding God was wrong because He is “one andincorporeal, in substance and figure around, in no way resembling man; that He is all-sight and all-hearing, but breaths not…”
This incorporeal God was standardized by Plat (427-347 B.C).
A.S. Trittin, in his Islam, observes: “The Koran and tradition (saying of the Prophet and his companions) often speak of God as if He were a man; to take two examples only, ‘When God created the world He wrote with His Hand for Himself ‘My mercy precedes My anger,’ and, ‘He opens the gates of heavenin the last third of the night, stretches out His hand and says, ‘Is there none to ask of me that I may give?’ He stays like this till dawn.’ In consequence many thought of God as (having) a body; they asked if the throne supported Him and did He fill it. He had the limbs of a man, He was a ….light in the form of a man and His hair was black light; He was a body but not like other bodies.”
“O Iblis, what prevented thee from submitting to him whom I created with MY TWO HANDS 38:75
“And the Jews say: The hand of Allah is tied up. Their own hands are shackled and they are cursed for what they say. Nay, BOTH HIS HANDS ARE SPREAD OUT.”
Not only does he have two hands, but, like man,one is on the left and one is on the right. “And they honor not allah with the honor due Him; and the whole earth will be in HIS GRIP on the day of Resurrection and the heavens rolled up IN HIS RIGHT HAND. Glory be to Him! And highly exalted is He above what they associate (with Him).” 39:67
“Every one on it (the earth) passes away-and there endures for ever THE FACE OF THY LORD, the Lord of glory and honor. 55:26
20:39 “Put him (Moses) into a chest, then cast it into a river…there an enemy to Me and enemy to him shall take him up. And I shed on thee love from Me; and that thou mayest be brought up before MY EYES.”
“He it is who created the heavens and the earth in six days, THEN HE MOUNTED THE THRONE.” 57:4
ALLAH is the Supreme Being BLACKMAN...
so how are you a Black man now?
:lmao: who do you try to convince? we all know that the world Allah means god in arabic...of course it was used before in that part of the world :loser:Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Man
you're simply pathetic, I aint try to convince you of nothing but what you sayin have no sense at all...what do you want to prove?
:stroke: poor guy
you still aint answered my question tho:no:
this thread is about "islam" and not me it's obvious you want to know more about, but this isn't the thread to do it in.
it wasnt for the "are you white" part I've seen you wrote somewhere that you aint black. but it's true it aint the appropriate thread to talk! :)
keep cool man!
peace
i asked for everyones views on al-islam, not your views on the NGE movement. and the origin of the words islam and allah
How can Arabs be Anti-Semite when middle eastern Arabs are just as Semite as Jews. Muslims are anti Zionist, They hate the state of mind, not the people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultimate Fist
very true. ..arabs and jews are part of the semetic ethnicity, th only 2 existing semetic languages are arabic and hebrew
peace
The language of Arabic is not owned by religion of orthodox Al-Islam. Arabic words should not be restricted by ideological concepts that appeared hundreds of years later(al-islam). The source material of much of the language of Arabic compounds the confusion for defining in English. Many Arabic scholars are followers of the orthodox religion of Al-Islam. Even if they aren't, many Arabic scholars utilize Theo centric sources. Most people are unaware that there is a whole body of work by secular Arab scholars that needs to be utilized for a non-religious examination of Arabic language (as well as a host of artifacts that predate the Orthodox Al Islam culture in the Middle East).
Islam
The term Islam is a word which is presented with various different "meanings". The current dominant theory is that the word islam means submission or to submit. It is acknowledged by those whom hold fast to the above theory that the word islam, in part, is derived from the root word salaam (slm). Salaam means peace in Arabic. There are a number of problems that are inherent in this theory.
The etymology of the word islam does not contain any portion of it that is rooted in the word submission. As stated above it is derived from the word salaam. The word islam literally means peaceful state, in peace, or within peace. Basically it means being in a state of peace or tranquility. There is no pre-Muhammad ibn Abdullah (circa 1400 A.D.) reference to the word islam being used in conjunction with the concept of submission. That concept developed from the orthodox religion of islam describing how they saw their religion. They gave a CONNOTATION to the word islam, giving a symbolic veil to the word so that to them it meant that "submission to Allah will give you the root (peace)". Also, in all actuality, the proper name for the religion of Muslims is referred to as AL-Islam (AL is the proper noun marker), which would translate as THE Islam or THE peaceful state. As you can see, once again, there is no reference to submission or Allah in the etymology of the word.
In fact, in Arabic, there is a word that was utilized pre-Muhammad ibn Abdullah and well after in Hadith, Koranic sources, and other Arabic writings that is used for the word submission. The word that is used for submission in Arabic is khudwa, which means submission to authority or to a higher power. Islam in Arabic is not utilized as a synonym for khudwa (submission) and also there are times where one will use the word islam in a sentence where it is impossible for it to even be implied that it "means" submission.
For example:
Tariqatul islaam heya al siratil mustoquiym
Translation:
The way of islam is the straight path
In the above example it is impossible for islam to mean submission for the context does not allow for it. So, in summation, regarding the word islam the etymological root only implies it being related to the word peace (not submission) and there is no pre-orthodox religion of Al-Islam connotation for it, which implies submission. The definition of islam meaning "to submit to the will of Allah" is a later invention of religious theists.
WAS IT NOT YOU WHO FIRST BROUGHT THE 5% INTO THIS THREAD? YES, YES IT WAS.Quote:
Originally Posted by sidious_katana
Do you think that you know the arabic language better than arabs themselves? I speak this language everyday and it's not your poor link that will change sth to what Sidious told you }:TQuote:
Originally Posted by Black Man