Why do civil rights groups keep sticking up for Michael Vick?

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Originally Posted by whitey

I agree they would be different. How many blacks today make fun of africans like they are some backwards people, a lot I know of.

When would Africans have came here and still done things like they were in Africa?

As much as it sucks it just proves we are just animals. It is survival of the fittest in this sense. Native Americans didnt have the ability to defend themselves in a suitable manor and they were almost exterminated. Dont even try and say something like Id wanted that to happen or anything like that, I think it is sick what happend to the Native Americans, but since the begining of man, there has been fighting and warring. The stronger people with the bigger stick won back thousands, even millions of years ago. They got the woman to mate with, they got the food to live on, ect. Today its the people with the biggest most amount of guns and nukes. As much as I would love the world to be a socialist paradise, thats not humans. We are animals.

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Now your reciting the whiteman's text book history.



Native Americans had the ability to defend themselves, and they did- vigorousley and won countless wars against foregin nations and the Newly fromed america. Exspecially as settlers moved west, they dealt with warrior cultures that trained their children to become soldiers from the time they could walk.

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Native cultures were peaceful with white settlers until they started abusing that relationship. The quest for gold, land, and other resources fueled white settlers to engage war with the natives.

It wasn't until white settlers started exterminating our children on a massive scale that natives cried uncle. Peace treaties were signed in an effort to bring peace, but the native americans got screwed in those deals made.

I know they were screwed. Im not debating that. Im saying though, there were many different Native American tribes occupying the Americas before Europeans got there. There was compition and war between those bands. Its just because the Europeans 'won', and on such a large scale does it make them look

Europeans had the advantage of writing, use of metals, use of horses, and the most important...germ warfair (it wasnt used as dirty bombs and such like you would think today, but just the contact between europeans and NA's passed diseases that the NA just didnt have natural immunites to that europeans built up (ex. of evolution actually) through thousands of years with close contact with the domesticated animals that NA didnt have contact with.

In a nuttshell those are the reasons europeans conquered the NA. But my main point was the waring between NA tribes before the europeans even got there.

Fuck Vick, he should do time if he really did that dog fighting shit.

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Originally Posted by whitey

I know they were screwed. Im not debating that. Im saying though, there were many different Native American tribes occupying the Americas before Europeans got there. There was compition and war between those bands. Its just because the Europeans 'won', and on such a large scale does it make them look

Europeans had the advantage of writing, use of metals, use of horses, and the most important...germ warfair (it wasnt used as dirty bombs and such like you would think today, but just the contact between europeans and NA's passed diseases that the NA just didnt have natural immunites to that europeans built up (ex. of evolution actually) through thousands of years with close contact with the domesticated animals that NA didnt have contact with.

In a nuttshell those are the reasons europeans conquered the NA. But my main point was the waring between NA tribes before the europeans even got there.

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Although their were warrior cultures, people weren't always at war. Any group of people needs a military. I'm not saying all tribes were ritcheous, but I am saying it wasn't always all out war. But I do agree with you, europeans used native tribes against each other.

Germ warfare isn't an example of evolution, it's an example of living dirty with disease. I'm sorry i'm not trying to be offensive, i'm just being honest.

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How was writing an advantage?

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Originally Posted by Ironman

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How is she the victim when she lied about being raped? It's okay for a black woman to lie about being raped by rich white men but not okay for a black girl to be punished for what she did? Are you defending her because she's black?

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Put the puzzle pieces together right. When I first heard of it I thought that she was a victim. Slow down and read what I said, think about it, then reply. All of this is important but there are bigger things that are going on. I check out these things like Vick and what not but I know I have bigger fish to fry. Vick's not my fight and ol' girl isn't my fight, so I keeps it moving until I get tangled temporarily in dialog w/folks like ya'll (which I don't mind when I have time to burn). I keeps it moving through what the creator has before me. For those who understand what I'm saying, cool. For those that don't, cool.

This is a reply to the dialog that Slippy Capalini and whitey is having:

If you do the research which I see that Slippy Capalini has done, you can tell that African and the Americans has an extensive shared history. It was vastly peaceful. Entire cultures were exchanged and shared 100's of years B.C.E. They shared a common value of respect and harmony, not to say that there wasn't any blood letting. For the most part it was peace. For example, Native Americans and Africans had counsels of the elders, were matriarical, similar chieftain structures, similar religious ideals, similar (shared) astrological consepts and tools, etc. When the European came on the scene things changed. They came from a completely different cultural norm. I'm not going to go into specifics but check the history, it speaks for itself.

I maintain that the Native American's major downfall was not realizing that they had a common enemy sooner than most of them did. Plus, most of us so-called African Americans are actually aboriginal Americans, and I ain't talking about so-called mongoloid aboriginals.

The human family history is deep. It has many different perspectives and intersecting paradigms. I love studying and living it.

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Originally Posted by blackwisdom

This is a reply to the dialog that Slippy Capalini and whitey is having:

If you do the research which I see that Slippy Capalini has done, you can tell that African and the Americans has an extensive shared history. It was vastly peaceful. Entire cultures were exchanged and shared 100's of years B.C.E. They shared a common value of respect and harmony, not to say that there wasn't any blood letting. For the most part it was peace. For example, Native Americans and Africans had counsels of the elders, were matriarical, similar chieftain structures, similar religious ideals, similar (shared) astrological consepts and tools, etc. When the European came on the scene things changed. They came from a completely different cultural norm. I'm not going to go into specifics but check the history, it speaks for itself.

I maintain that the Native American's major downfall was not realizing that they had a common enemy sooner than most of them did. Plus, most of us so-called African Americans are actually aboriginal Americans, and I ain't talking about so-called mongoloid aboriginals.

The human family history is deep. It has many different perspectives and intersecting paradigms. I love studying and living it.

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Blackwisdom, have you studied or do you know anything about anceint african religious practices? I'm just curious if you came across anything in your travels/study.

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Originally Posted by Slippy Capalini

Blackwisdom, have you studied or do you know anything about anceint african religious practices? I'm just curious if you came across anything in your travels/study.

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Quite a lot actually. To me they were operating on common sense and responding to nature while trying to kill their ego.

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Originally Posted by blackwisdom

Quite a lot actually. To me they were operating on common sense and responding to nature while trying to kill their ego.

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Care to enlighten us in a thread? Or perhaps we can build via messanger.

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Originally Posted by Slippy Capalini

Care to enlighten us in a thread? Or perhaps we can build via messanger.

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Send me a message or something to do so tomorrow. I'm about to retire. We can go into Ausar Auset, Oshun, Amenta/Nammo, ba/ka/kaba, the mystery system, etc. Lets do a thread to make it interesting. I want feedback from positive folks on our culture.

I'm through for tonight, take care,
peace

if european people were at war more frequently than native americans and africans it'd be difficult to argue that it's because the former were simply predisposed to violent behavior. typically, as population density increases so does violence. you see it today if you compare violent crime rates in urban centers to the countryside. well the same held true in the past. europe's population was in much closer contact with each other throughout most of history than the native american and african populations, so it shouldn't surprise anyone that the european nation-states frequently engaged in (and eventually excelled at) war. had native americans been able to develop an agricultural industry to rival europe's in the classical period and support the resulting population explosion, we all might instead be speaking iroquois, blaming all of life's problems on the red man.

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Originally Posted by Slippy Capalini

Germ warfare isn't an example of evolution, it's an example of living dirty with disease. I'm sorry i'm not trying to be offensive, i'm just being honest.

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again, it has more to do with population density than any kind of predispostion towards poor hygiene. the first cases of the bubonic plague occured in ethiopia, but it didn't become a pandemic until it hit europe. you think that's because africans always remembered to wipe with their non-eating hand? no it's cos the number of people living in africa's largest cities were a fraction of the size and number of those in europe at the time. go study your facts.

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Originally Posted by Slippy Capalini

How was writing an advantage?

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lol you're staring right at the answer. writing facilitates the spread of knowledge. and what's more advantageous in life than having the wisdom of those who have lived before us?

oh and one last thing: vick's guilty but not cos he's black m'out.

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Originally Posted by Humanface Huggah

typically, as population density increases so does violence.

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That's true especially when those in close proximity have not. We lash out at who's in front of us, even when that person isn't the blame for out pain.

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Originally Posted by Humanface Huggah

had native americans been able to develop an agricultural industry to rival europe's in the classical period and support the resulting population explosion, we all might instead be speaking iroquois, blaming all of life's problems on the red man.

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Everything that the Natives had eventually was taken away. Many tribes possessed rich lands but ego and greed destroyed it. It's odviously more complex than that but I won't give the time to it now. After studying my ancestor's culture I'd much rather take my chances with them.

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Originally Posted by Humanface Huggah

lol you're staring right at the answer. writing facilitates the spread of knowledge. and what's more advantageous in life than having the wisdom of those who have lived before us?

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Oh so true but mostly all Native American cultures has rich oral traditions. The historians, story tellers and medacine men abided by strict codes. If any were to tell lies or render false medication, they would be banished or put to death. Straight talking was life and death and word was everything. It was the same for their mirror society overseas. Knowledge was spread but odviously not as efficiently as written word. Don't take that as less advanced and civilized though. I've heard of so many indians being relied upon to be translators for multi-languages.

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Originally Posted by Humanface Huggah

oh and one last thing: vick's guilty but not cos he's black m'out.

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Guilt never has and never will have a color, it only has character. Our uncultivated minds focus on differences and confuse truth due to our ignorance. Sometimes we rise above the smoke and mirrors and when we do I appreciate the victory of spirit.

Very well put together argument.

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Originally Posted by whitey

What you dont get is the ''black america'' that you think is the opposite of white america was/is molded by what you call white america. Slavery, converting real africans to christian religions, giving them nothing when slavery was ended, segregation, poor schools, all of this has molded "black america" into what it is today. They were all terrible things, and it was ment to keep the black man down, so why do you want to revel in that?

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Let's face it, when u go on a job interview who is doing the interview? When you go to the store, who is waiting on u.................I mean, in order to survive u have to live as they do....................

wow this grew out of topic haha

As far as the "civil rights" groups defending him, they're just trying to get attention. For them, no one with dark skin can do any wrong and that's just plain stupid.

Vick f**ked up big-time and I hope he gets everything they throw at him. I've always loved animals way more than people and for him and everyone in his camp do to things like that do those animals is just flat out barbaric.

If I was the judge, I'd round up his whole faggot-ass crew, put 'em in a cage two at a time with one bowie knife a piece and whoever lost would get a hand and a foot chopped off on opposite sides.

Motherf**kers get money and lose their damn minds. Thinkin' their invincible and s**t.

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Originally Posted by blackwisdom

Everything that the Natives had eventually was taken away. Many tribes possessed rich lands but ego and greed destroyed it...After studying my ancestor's culture I'd much rather take my chances with them.

Knowledge was spread but odviously not as efficiently as written word. Don't take that as less advanced and civilized though. I've heard of so many indians being relied upon to be translators for multi-languages.

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well if we're talking about the ability to resist an invasion of foreigners with vastly superior technology (thanks in part to the prevalence of the written word), then sorry but yes, that does mean they were less advanced. of course we can look back and study these societies and admire some aspects of their culture, or even note how preferable their way of life is to the bleak, meaninglessness of modern living, but that's not how the game of life works! life ruthlessly favors the more powerful, not the more peaceful... just like vick's dog fights.

(sorry this is way off topic but it's because arguments from other threads have spilled over.)

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if european people were at war more frequently than native americans and africans it'd be difficult to argue that it's because the former were simply predisposed to violent behavior. typically, as population density increases so does violence. you see it today if you compare violent crime rates in urban centers to the countryside. well the same held true in the past. europe's population was in much closer contact with each other throughout most of history than the native american and african populations, so it shouldn't surprise anyone that the european nation-states frequently engaged in (and eventually excelled at) war. had native americans been able to develop an agricultural industry to rival europe's in the classical period and support the resulting population explosion, we all might instead be speaking iroquois, blaming all of life's problems on the red man.

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The white settlers excelled at terrorism, not war. The early american government handed out medals for slaughtering women and children. Let's not forget, these are the same people that enslaved other human beings because they were to lazy to work themselves.

Who's says the country would have the same problems?

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again, it has more to do with population density than any kind of predispostion towards poor hygiene. the first cases of the bubonic plague occured in ethiopia, but it didn't become a pandemic until it hit europe. you think that's because africans always remembered to wipe with their non-eating hand? no it's cos the number of people living in africa's largest cities were a fraction of the size and number of those in europe at the time. go study your facts

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Why did it become pandemic when it hit europe? Because of how they understood science. It affected their hygiene, the way their communities were set up, and the whole culture and lifestyle. Dumping chamber pots out into the street, it was a dirty way to live.

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lol you're staring right at the answer. writing facilitates the spread of knowledge. and what's more advantageous in life than having the wisdom of those who have lived before us?

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Blackwisdom already spoke on this:

Strict oral traditions.

But also, just because many tribes didn't have a written langauge, doesn't mean they didn't keep a written record of history for generations to come. Wasn't it the pilgrims that wanted knowledge from the indians on how to survive in this "new world?"

slippy you miss my point completely. everytime i state an objective fact, you go and infuse a moral judgment into my observation. listen man, you're preaching to the choir. my moral compass is in line with yours: i'm horrified by what happened to the natives, living with rats and cockroaches is dirty, and living in nature with some hot girls' titties hanging out all the time would be fucking great.

but we knew all that in 2nd grade. so let's drop the simple-minded sermonizing and start thinking about why things are the way they are without having to invoke morality. that's next level thinking.

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Originally Posted by Humanface Huggah

well if we're talking about the ability to resist an invasion of foreigners with vastly superior technology (thanks in part to the prevalence of the written word), then sorry but yes, that does mean they were less advanced. of course we can look back and study these societies and admire some aspects of their culture, or even note how preferable their way of life is to the bleak, meaninglessness of modern living, but that's not how the game of life works! life ruthlessly favors the more powerful, not the more peaceful... just like vick's dog fights.

(sorry this is way off topic but it's because arguments from other threads have spilled over.)

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Your definition of advance is different from mines. Ancient cultures had technology and civilization that vastly surpassed what we have now. They had a different heart and mind from the current rulers today. It's the heart of man that defines the actions of man. Due to the savages that run this world today we gain the illusion that brute force is right and the opposite is wrong. Truth be told, the Natives could have destroyed the Europeans at the out set if they wanted to, but they didn't. Now who's more advanced; the man that says come and eat at my table or the man that says give me your table I don't want to share?

Writing didn't make the Europeans more advanced it made them more capable of savagery.

Our mother Earth is getting tired of us not doing the job so she's going to do it for us. A cleansing will occur. Then we'll see what's more advanced. Peace or war. Any one can clinch a fist to strike but you must dig deeper to open your hand and share.

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Originally Posted by Humanface Huggah

slippy you miss my point completely. everytime i state an objective fact, you go and infuse a moral judgment into my observation. listen man, you're preaching to the choir. my moral compass is in line with yours: i'm horrified by what happened to the natives, living with rats and cockroaches is dirty, and living in nature with some hot girls' titties hanging out all the time would be fucking great.

but we knew all that in 2nd grade. so let's drop the simple-minded sermonizing and start thinking about why things are the way they are without having to invoke morality. that's next level thinking.

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I'm injecting the other side of the story. How is it a moral judgement when i'm only speaking the truth? If you infused some of these views when giving history lessons, you wouldn't hear that much out of me. But you know as much as I do that your version of history get's more credentials amongst the Anglo-saxon culture that everyone here is accustomed to. If I stand still and let you speak on in it your way, people reading this will only have a one sided view. Please don't kid yourself, your replies are hardly objective.

But we all didn't have the other side of the story in 2nd grade.

So you want some next level thinking?

How does this text book version of history:

Powerful and Advanced European Conquerors vs. The Wild Pimitive Savage Natives


Effect the phychology of a native child in school?


How does this text book version of history:

Powerful, Advanced European Conquerors vs. Zebra chasing spear chucking Black slave

Effect the phychology of a black youth in school?

straight up, you and slippy have your facts so twisted that you should probably go back to school starting from grade 2. of all the ridiculous statements i've read in the past few days, this is perhaps the worst:

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Originally Posted by blackwisdom

Ancient cultures had technology and civilization that vastly surpassed what we have now.

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not a single artifact from the ancient world exists that couldn't be recreated today and that's a verifiable fact. and it should be obvious that a maglev highspeed train is far preferable to cross country journeys than walking. i mean, did you even think about what that statement meant before typing it into a COMPUTER connected to the INTERNET??? you should be embarrassed, really.

so pardon me if after reading garbage like that i totally disregard the sermonizing that follows. i like to share knowledge with one another but all the misinformation is kinda discouraging.

oh and btw, vick totally did it.

that is the problem with being pro-black and too emotional he broke the law out there if he wanted to do that theres places in Asia that pick no bones about dog fighting no pun intended

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Originally Posted by Humanface Huggah

straight up, you and slippy have your facts so twisted that you should probably go back to school starting from grade 2. of all the ridiculous statements i've read in the past few days, this is perhaps the worst:


not a single artifact from the ancient world exists that couldn't be recreated today and that's a verifiable fact. and it should be obvious that a maglev highspeed train is far preferable to cross country journeys than walking. i mean, did you even think about what that statement meant before typing it into a COMPUTER connected to the INTERNET??? you should be embarrassed, really.

so pardon me if after reading garbage like that i totally disregard the sermonizing that follows. i like to share knowledge with one another but all the misinformation is kinda discouraging.

oh and btw, vick totally did it.

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You just don't understand. You're thinking of things you can touch and feel. I'm speaking of the cultivation of humanity. You can get on a train all day but can you advance your being to travel without moving. I'm coming from a different paradigm than you. As "primative" as the Ancient egyptians were, how could they erect structures that modern engineers can't duplicate. Ivan Van Sertima visited Kemet and stated that he witnessed a massive obelisk that was laying on the ground abandoned. He examined it and witnessed a minor crack on it's surface. It was determined that that crack was the reason that it was abandoned.

If you think that computers and iron machines are technology in it's ultimate form, I don't agree. I hold true that cultivating the human spirit in all of its attributes is our ultimate technological advancement.

Back to the pyramids for a brief moment. The reason we don't understand is cause invaders murdered the priest that manifested it. The Dogon possess astrological knowledge that is still to be deciphered by "modern technology." When people can absord light energy to the point that they can observe distant star systems that others require "advance technology" to observe, that's all the proof I need to back up my claim.

You can throw insults all day but what do they matter? I guess that's civilized and advanced. Saying, "I'm right cause of my perception and you're wrong cause this society says that you are."

Seeing that we're diametrically opposed to one another and you're obviously a very disrespectful person consider this argument stagnant.

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Originally Posted by Dirk Daring

that is the problem with being pro-black and too emotional he broke the law out there if he wanted to do that theres places in Asia that pick no bones about dog fighting no pun intended

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It's interesting that you pose that statement of cultural norms. Frankly I see pitpull fighting as a way of being. Like I previously stated I saw it often when I was coming up. I didn't really agree with it but I didn't really agree with most of my environment. I guess it's cool that people bred the dogs to fight but it's not cool that people fight them.

I personally don't care about his outcome cause I'm not a sports fan, but I socially hate the fact that a man that could do so much for his community is being canceled.

you're mangling the sematics. what you're referring to isn't technological, it's spiritual. how can we have a conversation if you invent your own vocabulary?

oh and i should probably mention that any architect worth his weight in mortar would agree that while the great pyramids are certainly a tremendous feat in engineering, they don't compare to modern skyscrapers as representations of technological achievment.

anyway, vick's fucked.

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Originally Posted by blackwisdom

It's interesting that you pose that statement of cultural norms. Frankly I see pitpull fighting as a way of being. Like I previously stated I saw it often when I was coming up. I didn't really agree with it but I didn't really agree with most of my environment. I guess it's cool that people bred the dogs to fight but it's not cool that people fight them.

I personally don't care about his outcome cause I'm not a sports fan, but I socially hate the fact that a man that could do so much for his community is being canceled.

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Why should being a sports fan or not, have to do with caring about the outcome of the trial? There are many people that don't even follow sports, that would like to see the people that were involved in this abuse of dogs, be sent to jail.

You talked previously in this thread about peaceful ways from ancient tribes and how today's US societies are run by savages. But then you make it seem like you think that pit bull fighting is normal, cause you grew up up with it. You don't think that the people that are involved in pit bull fighting are acting like savages?

Jesus Christ, people. Michael Vick will be found guilty of the crimes he has done, seriously. I'm pretty sure that the media will try to do their best to destroy his image because he's a minority. But you shouldn't feel sorry for him because he did this to himself.

Blackwisdom is being pro-black, period. If Michael Vick was a mexican, Asian, Indian, or White, he would not have anything to say because the person that is being convicted is not black. :-/

Thanks.

I think that the people who run housing projects promote savagery. I think that law officials that use their badges and guns for justifiable homicide are savages. I think that people who pollute waters for profits are savages. I think that people who traffic humans are savages. I think that people who injest harmful chemicals into our foods and livestock to get more profit are savages.

Someone fighting a dog isn't high on my scale of savagery compared to the other forms of savagery. That's my point. I'm also saying that I grew up around it right along side people being blasted in the face over drugs. Which should I care for more a dog getting shot or a person getting shot?

I said that I'm not a sports fan to state that I didn't really follow anything else related to Mike Vick before and I have too many other things to worry about than him fighting dogs. Why don't ya'll use your energy to worry about fighting the industry instead of one possible financer of the industry. That's like criminalizing the crack dealer on the block and ignoring the one's who bring it here by the ship load.

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Originally Posted by Ironman

Jesus Christ, people. Michael Vick will be found guilty of the crimes he has done, seriously. I'm pretty sure that the media will try to do their best to destroy his image because he's a minority. But you shouldn't feel sorry for him because he did this to himself.

Blackwisdom is being pro-black, period. If Michael Vick was a mexican, Asian, Indian, or White, he would not have anything to say because the person that is being convicted is not black. :-/

Thanks.

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I really don't care. I only tried to say why the civil rights organizations were probably trying to help him then folks jumped on me. It's all good though. I know my heart and mind. People will always try to interpret what they don't understand.

Blackwisdom,
You make good points, and I respect your ideas, but what about the idea of having compassion for all living things, and not holding one much higher above the other.

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Originally Posted by blackwisdom

I really don't care. I only tried to say why the civil rights organizations were probably trying to help him then folks jumped on me. It's all good though. I know my heart and mind. People will always try to interpret what they don't understand.

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Not really. Dog fighting is just as bad as selling drugs to a crackhead or a child. People profit from dog fighting. People profit from selling drugs. The point that I'm trying to make here is that people will use anything to try to make money. That's why I don't understand why the certain people are sticking up for Michael Vick. The guy knew what he was doing. And I'm pretty sure that he also knew that he would be the center of attention if and when he gets caught. It was just a matter of time.

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by blackwisdom

I think that the people who run housing projects promote savagery. I think that law officials that use their badges and guns for justifiable homicide are savages. I think that people who pollute waters for profits are savages. I think that people who traffic humans are savages. I think that people who injest harmful chemicals into our foods and livestock to get more profit are savages.

Someone fighting a dog isn't high on my scale of savagery compared to the other forms of savagery. That's my point. I'm also saying that I grew up around it right along side people being blasted in the face over drugs. Which should I care for more a dog getting shot or a person getting shot?

I said that I'm not a sports fan to state that I didn't really follow anything else related to Mike Vick before and I have too many other things to worry about than him fighting dogs. Why don't ya'll use your energy to worry about fighting the industry instead of one possible financer of the industry. That's like criminalizing the crack dealer on the block and ignoring the one's who bring it here by the ship load.

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You really have to know your history in order to understand what start public housing. The reason why public housing began was to separate blacks from whites. This mainly happen in large cities like Detroit, Chicago, Phila, and other cities. They built these high rise buildings in isolated areas so poor blacks wouldn't have good access to the good white negborihoods. As a result, violence, deaths, diseases, drugs, robbery, out-of-wed-lock births were at a all time high for black from the late 50's to early 90's. The police aren't doing their jobs and you know why. This is how all these damn stereotypes began.

True story. Earlier this year, while I was in a liqiuor store, there was a drug dealer screaming and yelling to himself because he misplace his drugs that he was going to sell that day inside the liqiuor store. He started to question himself how could have he lost his own drugs. Well, he had to point the finger at somebody, so he pointed the finger at some other drug dealers. So, the all the drug dealers started arguing over $100 worth of drugs for about 40 minutes to an hour. I went to another store to get some food because I knew a gun battle would break out soon. About half way home, I heard several gunshots. When I got home, there were about 10 swat cars sorounding off the liqiuor store. Now, someone called the police WHEN the drug dealers were arguing, but the police never arrived. Almost an hour of arguing and no police. Unforateuly, the drug dealers got away....somehow. The next day, someone else was selling drugs in that liqiuor store. Who's to blame for this? The police or the city?

Personally, dog fighting is a form of savagery compared to someone selling drugs to a crackhead or a random person on the street. The person that's buying the drugs made a choice to purchase the drugs in order to get a high or "buzz". The drug dealer is doing his/her job by supplying the drugs to inividuals that want drugs. After all, the person that chooses to be a drug dealer made their choice to be a loser in life. Blackwisdom, God created humans and he gave us to power to make important choices in life, whether they are right or wrong. But we learn from our mistakes. However, some of us do learn and there are those that don't learn at all.

If people want to stop the flow of drugs in their commiuties, they have to stand up and fight for want should be theirs. Complaining and bitchy isn't going to solve anything. If a person wants to overcome the pressures of the ghetto, that person must be strong minded enough to rise above than want is being offer to him/her from the ghetto.

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Humanface Huggah

and if anything, when it comes to preserving the assumption of innocence for the accused, our legal system is among the best in the world.

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cant say the same for our social system.

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Originally Posted by check two

Blackwisdom,
You make good points, and I respect your ideas, but what about the idea of having compassion for all living things, and not holding one much higher above the other.

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I respect your words and appreciate them. I see things in equal measures, but in this third dimension we have a tendancy disperse things. I'm a vegan so I do care for animals. I can't even eat fish cause my spirit doesn't feel comfortable doing so.

All I was trying to point out was that when it comes to comparing animals to humans there is no comparison. I'd rather focus on saving us then trying to save some dogs. That's what PETA is for. I have my mission and they have theirs. If I try to fight Vick I gotta fight the entire establishment. Otherwise I'm shooting blanks.

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Not really. Dog fighting is just as bad as selling drugs to a crackhead or a child. People profit from dog fighting. People profit from selling drugs. The point that I'm trying to make here is that people will use anything to try to make money. That's why I don't understand why the certain people are sticking up for Michael Vick. The guy knew what he was doing. And I'm pretty sure that he also knew that he would be the center of attention if and when he gets caught. It was just a matter of time.

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Point taken. All of these crimes are linked one way or another. I'm not defending him. If I summon the energy to do so I may expound upon the psychology of black male survival.

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You really have to know your history in order to understand what start public housing. The reason why public housing began was to separate blacks from whites. This mainly happen in large cities like Detroit, Chicago, Phila, and other cities. They built these high rise buildings in isolated areas so poor blacks wouldn't have good access to the good white negborihoods. As a result, violence, deaths, diseases, drugs, robbery, out-of-wed-lock births were at a all time high for black from the late 50's to early 90's. The police aren't doing their jobs and you know why. This is how all these damn stereotypes began.

True story. Earlier this year, while I was in a liqiuor store, there was a drug dealer screaming and yelling to himself because he misplace his drugs that he was going to sell that day inside the liqiuor store. He started to question himself how could have he lost his own drugs. Well, he had to point the finger at somebody, so he pointed the finger at some other drug dealers. So, the all the drug dealers started arguing over $100 worth of drugs for about 40 minutes to an hour. I went to another store to get some food because I knew a gun battle would break out soon. About half way home, I heard several gunshots. When I got home, there were about 10 swat cars sorounding off the liqiuor store. Now, someone called the police WHEN the drug dealers were arguing, but the police never arrived. Almost an hour of arguing and no police. Unforateuly, the drug dealers got away....somehow. The next day, someone else was selling drugs in that liqiuor store. Who's to blame for this? The police or the city?

Personally, dog fighting is a form of savagery compared to someone selling drugs to a crackhead or a random person on the street. The person that's buying the drugs made a choice to purchase the drugs in order to get a high or "buzz". The drug dealer is doing his/her job by supplying the drugs to inividuals that want drugs. After all, the person that chooses to be a drug dealer made their choice to be a loser in life. Blackwisdom, God created humans and he gave us to power to make important choices in life, whether they are right or wrong. But we learn from our mistakes. However, some of us do learn and there are those that don't learn at all.

If people want to stop the flow of drugs in their commiuties, they have to stand up and fight for want should be theirs. Complaining and bitchy isn't going to solve anything. If a person wants to overcome the pressures of the ghetto, that person must be strong minded enough to rise above than want is being offer to him/her from the ghetto.

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I read some of the studies that were done in regards to how the structure of the ghetto will affect it's residents. The earliest ghettos that I've encountered in my studies were in Europe. They were structured exactly the same except at night time their doors (big gates) were closed. It's a lot more but I don't want to go too far off subject.

Some one shot a bullet through a relative of mines window in the projects. The cops told her, "Get use to it."

The issue in impoverished neighborhoods is multi-layered and must be studied as such. You sometimes need to peel the layers of the onion off one by one to get to the middle, but still remember that all of these layers make an onion. You can't have it without all of it's layers piled one ontop another.

The ghetto and other impoverished neighborhoods pull on one's will to elevate. We can rise above but those experiments will succeed in taking out a certain number of casualties unless they're destroyed and rebuilt in a more humane manner. We all know what that'll take and what that entails. I don't have the energy today to go indebt.

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Okay.....but who's fault is that? It's Michael Vick's fault. He's the one that decided to dog fight while making very good money in a career in FOORBALL! He knew that he would get caught doing this b.s. sooner or later. He knew by fighting dogs and being a black person in America, the media will have a field day with him and what his is doing. So, please don't blame America for his actions because he's a grow man that is a great football player and he deicded to fight dogs (pitbulls) for money. It's bad enough that in the black ghettos, there is a large poplution of pitbulls and you know that.

So, what does something like this do to blacks? It just adds one more stereotype in the pot for us. Remember that our negativity has to remain at a high than other races. It's all about phenotype. Again, please don't give that "It's because he's black" b.s. because he knows, you know, I know, and everybody else knows that if a black man in America fucks up BIG time, he'll get smashed by the media and punished for it.

Michael Vick should be cut from the NFL and locked up for what he did. He f***** up.....and it's his own damn fault for being a dickhead.

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Why even have courts,everybody has already convicked him?

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Some one shot a bullet through a relative of mines window in the projects. The cops told her, "Get use to it."

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I'm not surpised. The police only care about class. Think about it. Compare the inner city police to the suburb police. Which police has better equiment, better officers, betters staff, and most imporant, better response time? The answer is the suburbs. Higher class. Less minorities.

One of my classmates was walking home from the library at night after studying. Almost half way home, someone robbed him from behind. He called the police, obviously. He waited five freaking hours inside his apartment for them to arrive. When the police showed up, they had the nerve to make him feel like he was the bad guy because he was walking from school at night. My classmate told me that the officers were mean to him, they were five hours late, and he didn't give a detailed descrition of the robber because he knew that he wasn't going to be caught. So, why bother? 24 hours later, the station called him and told him that he told to go downtown detroit to give a descrition of the robber. WTF? Here's my question? Why didn't the officers just ask him for a descrition of the robber?

It's really bad here in Detroit because we have police that don't even do their jobs properly. But out in the good suburbs, the police are at their best. It's all about class.

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I'm not surpised. The police only care about class. Think about it. Compare the inner city police to the suburb police. Which police has better equiment, better officers, betters staff, and most imporant, better response time? The answer is the suburbs. Higher class. Less minorities.

One of my classmates was walking home from the library at night after studying. Almost half way home, someone robbed him from behind. He called the police, obviously. He waited five freaking hours inside his apartment for them to arrive. When the police showed up, they had the nerve to make him feel like he was the bad guy because he was walking from school at night. My classmate told me that the officers were mean to him, they were five hours late, and he didn't give a detailed descrition of the robber because he knew that he wasn't going to be caught. So, why bother? 24 hours later, the station called him and told him that he told to go downtown detroit to give a descrition of the robber. WTF? Here's my question? Why didn't the officers just ask him for a descrition of the robber?

It's really bad here in Detroit because we have police that don't even do their jobs properly. But out in the good suburbs, the police are at their best. It's all about class.

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I think that it's true that high class communities may receive better treatment, but it's still all about the bottom line.

Money makes people do things in the US and abroad.

The suburbs have houses. The residents pay property tax. This property tax goes to the services in the community. These services are the police department, school system, cleaning crews, fire department, etc. They have the money for better services and equipment. Now the city or state can suppliment the inner cities due to their lower property taxes. Like I said there are multi-layers to deal with. It's not just white and black and upper class and lower class. These are the things that are right before our eyes to see. There are underlined currents that trully effect us. Unless we understand them we will always be confused.

It is said that if you don't understand white supremacy everything else will be confusing to you. I say that it goes much deeper than that. Power structures control this world. They always have and always will. It's the will of the power structure that needs to be addressed. Now it's not as simple as that either. If we were to truly study the constitution, Americans will know their rights and act upon them. People need to stop feeling so powerless all the time.

One more thing, some what unrelated. Every politicial and public official is a lier.

America is a Republic. So whenever someone comes at you talking about Democracy they are not to be trusted. Read the Constitution or recite the pledge of allegiance if you think I'm lying.

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I think that it's true that high class communities may receive better treatment, but it's still all about the bottom line.

Money makes people do things in the US and abroad.

The suburbs have houses. The residents pay property tax. This property tax goes to the services in the community. These services are the police department, school system, cleaning crews, fire department, etc. They have the money for better services and equipment. Now the city or state can suppliment the inner cities due to their lower property taxes. Like I said there are multi-layers to deal with. It's not just white and black and upper class and lower class. These are the things that are right before our eyes to see. There are underlined currents that trully effect us. Unless we understand them we will always be confused.

It is said that if you don't understand white supremacy everything else will be confusing to you. I say that it goes much deeper than that. Power structures control this world. They always have and always will. It's the will of the power structure that needs to be addressed. Now it's not as simple as that either. If we were to truly study the constitution, Americans will know their rights and act upon them. People need to stop feeling so powerless all the time.

One more thing, some what unrelated. Every politicial and public official is a lier.

America is a Republic. So whenever someone comes at you talking about Democracy they are not to be trusted. Read the Constitution or recite the pledge of allegiance if you think I'm lying.

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WOW!!! You make a lot of sense.

Jesus Christ! "To the Republic, for which it stands". Until you said that, I never realize it. }:|