Somebody Touched A Nerve With The Connection Between Islam And Slavery. Somebody Don't Like It...hmmmm.
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Somebody Touched A Nerve With The Connection Between Islam And Slavery. Somebody Don't Like It...hmmmm.
By looking at the facts in history...duhQuote:
Originally Posted by Black Man
The arabs have played a big part of the development of the whole world not just america, however slavery was not something invented by the muslims, its not a unique concept therefore america and uk choose to use slaves to build there empire, inspiration was not nesserceryQuote:
Originally Posted by Black Man
beacause i dont like your fake demeanour and the bullcrap you always write in KTLQuote:
Originally Posted by Black Man
IT MATTERED TO SOMEBODY TO PUT THE TIME AND ENERGY INTO REDEFINING THAT REGION THEN AND NOW.Quote:
Originally Posted by sidious_katana
the only connection between islam and slavery is that islam granted more rights to the slave....there is only a positive connection, unlike the modern slave tradeQuote:
Originally Posted by Black Man
you chat shit that goes nowhere!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Man
CAN YOU PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF EVIDENCE OF YOUR CLAIMS? MY RESEARCH WILL SHOW YOUR CLAIMS TO BE FALSE, VERY FALSE.Quote:
Originally Posted by sidious_katana
AGAIN, HOW DO YOU MEASURE THE AMOUNT OF RIGHTS THAT A SLAVE HAS? THAT DOESN'T EVEN SOUND RIGHT. SLAVES WITH RIGHTS! LOL
lol at "gave slaves more rights"
African tropical slavery did, weren't even beaten for the most part if they were adults
and they could talk back and hang out with everyone in the community, and it was never perminent
but in all honesty if your a slave what the fuck does "more rights" mean, as if the institution of dehumanizing ppl could be sugar coated
SLAVES WITH RIGHTS! SOUNDS JUST AS FUNNY AS JEWS FOR JESUS!Quote:
Originally Posted by sidious_katana
LOOK AT YOU MIXING MUSLIMS AND ARABS AS IF THEY ARE ONE IN THE SAME. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME!
ARABS BUILT AN EMPIRE OFF OF SLAVERY, JUST AS THE DUTCH, FRENCH, AND SPANISH AS WELL AS MANY OTHER NATIONS.
RELIGION IS THE OPIATE OF THE MASSES!Quote:
Originally Posted by sidious_katana
LOOK AT YOU TRYING TO MAKE WRONG INTO RIGHT. HYPOCRITE!
THERE'S ONLY A POSITIVE CONNECTION BETWEEN ISLAM AND SLAVERY? WHAT KIND OF BACKWARDS UNCIVILIZED SAVAGE JUST PLAIN IGNORANT SHIT IS THAT? I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT PICTURE OF THE FAMILY RUNNING TO THE ISLAMIC SLAVE TRADERS TO BECOME SLAVES BECAUSE THEY OFFER MORE RIGHTS THAN ALL THE OTHER SLAVE TRADERS.
PROPHET MUHAMMAD: OUR SLOGAN IS SLAVES WITH RIGHTS! WE OFFER THE JIHADIST BILL WHICH AWARDS YOU COLLEGE MONEY FOR YOUR SERVICE OF BEING A SLAVE.
POTENTIAL SLAVE: WHAT ELSE DO YOU OFFER?
PM: THERES ONLY POSITIVE THINGS THAT COME FROM SLAVERY THE ISLAMIC WAY...HERE'S A LIST :list:
EXACTLY!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaShaolinAssassin
what cant you get in your thick fuckin head, they had more rights then other slaves...what dont you get ?????? arabs built their empire out of merchantile..that is well known whitemanQuote:
Originally Posted by Black Man
what does more rights mean well if you read the thread you will find out, more rights then all the other slaves that existed, what are you not gettin or are you just hating for no reason, i seriously think your place is in general chat not here.....Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaShaolinAssassin
LMAO...Fuckin A-rabs man. SOme of the most bigoted people ever wanna act like they are so loving toward other people.
Its funny how other minorities talk to me about black americans sometimes. Maybe its my olive complexion and dark hair and eyes, it makes them feel more comfortable with me...but its pretty nuts.
I thought whites could be racist...these motherfuckers are more dangerous cuz they are two faced, cuz you KNOW they hate the white man even worse.
With the black man, they feel they are superior, that same old bullshit..
With the white man, they are jealous of their position in the world and the fact they been pimpin them in the mid east for a while now.
As far as slavery goes....shits been going on forever. Nobodies hands are clean. You all just realized this???
hey annoying fuckin whiteman listen, iam not muslim and iam not religous but i look at the un-biased balanced facts of history not like your fuckin "research" you are missin the plot mate......Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Man
your seriously mad!!!!!!
This thread is stupid and iam trying to express that but its not gettin through whitemans thick skull...an calling arabs bigoted is a generalisation and that aint usefull to anyoneQuote:
Originally Posted by NickyTooch
but i have to get something off my chest....arabs have contributed the most to soceity and the sciences we were dons before dons existed, the islamic golden age was one of the most harmounius and scientific times before the modern age...instead of listening to what your bullshit educational instituitons and government feed you, why dont you check the facts....
I THOUGHT I HEARD IT ALL WITH JEWS FOR JESUS, NOW I'M HEARING THIS. SLAVES WITH RIGHTS! BE A SLAVE THE ISLAMIC WAY. IT'S JUST PLAIN OL' RIGHT. :beer:Quote:
Originally Posted by sidious_katana
you stupid prick...this was ancient times you white wigga bitch, they were the most kind to their slaves out of all the races you dont like it...go away and cry
this thread was tryin to make out the evils of arabs once again with islam and slavery but i had to fip it on its head because its BULLSHIT and i dont want people readin this bullshit "research" thinkin its the truth
I CHECKED THE FACTS AND THE FACTS DO SHOW THAT THE ARABS, NOT MODERN DAY ARABS; DID CONTRIBUTE ALOT TO THE WORLD AS FAR AS THE SCIENCES GO (THOSE ARABS ALSO LEARNED AND BORROWED FROM THE PEOPLE OF INDIA AS FAR AS KNOWLEDGE). HOWEVER, THOSE ARABS THAT WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE ACHIEVEMENT DO NOT LOOK LIKE THE MODERN DAY ARABS.Quote:
Originally Posted by sidious_katana
THOSE SAME "JET BLACK" PEOPLE" THAT HAVE BEEN PUSHED TO FAR OFF REGIONS OF WHAT IS NOW CALLED THE MIDDLE EAST ARE THE DESCENDENTS OF THE ACTUAL "ARABS" THAT MADE THE CONTRIBUTIONS.
AND TO SAY THE ARAB CONTRIBUTED THE MOST IS JUST PLAIN EGO AND NOT ROOTED IN FACTS. STOP TELLING LIES!
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THOSE SAME ARAB MUSLIM SLAVE HOLDERS/TRADERS DID IT SO THEIR SLAVES COULD HAVE A GOOD QUALITY OF LIFE? THEY DIDN'T RAPE THE WOMEN RIGHT? THEY DIDN'T CASTRATE THE MEN? THEY DIDN'T MURDER CHILDREN RIGHT? THEY DIDN'T DISPLACE AND DESTROY FAMILIES? THEY WEREN'T TORTURING THEIR SLAVES?Quote:
Originally Posted by sidious_katana
THE ARABS AND THEIR ROLE IN SLAVERY DURING WHATEVER PERIOD WAS FOUL AND CRUEL AND THAT STILL REMAINS TILL THIS DAY AND TIME.
HIDIOUS CUNT-ONYA IS PROMOTING HIS SLOGAN TUFF......SLAVES WITH RIGHTS! POSITIVE SLAVERY THE ARAB/MUSLIM WAY! ANYTHING LESS WOULD BE EUROPEAN SLAVERY!
Stop acting like you are a know it all, and get off this anti-white, everything is corrupt, Islam is perfect bullshit. Its just as flawed as any other history. Maybe you shouldn't soak up everything the mosque teaches you and check the facts yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by sidious_katana
LOL...put the shoe on the other foot and look how sensitive the other gets. Your right, it is a generalization...and much of what you say of white educational institutions and european culture itself is a generalization.Quote:
Originally Posted by sidious_katana
So, boo hoo on you.
You should stop chatting shit whiteman, cuz now iam gonna have to rinse you out with factual knowledge not "whiteman research"
The Islamic Golden Age, also sometimes known as the Islamic Renaissance, is traditionally dated from the 8th century to the 13th century, though some have extended it to the 15th or 16th centuries. During this period, engineers, scholars and traders in the Islamic world contributed to the arts, agriculture, economics, industry, law, literature, navigation, philosophy, sciences, and technology, both by preserving and building upon earlier traditions and by adding inventions and innovations of their own. Howard R. Turner writes: "Muslim artists and scientists, princes and laborers together created a unique culture that has directly and indirectly influenced societies on every continent
A number of important educational and scientific institutions previously unknown in the ancient world have their origins in the medieval Islamic world, with the most notable examples being: the public hospital (which replaced healing temples and sleep temples) and psychiatric hospital, the public library and lending library, the academic degree-granting university, and the astronomical observatory as a research institute
Another common feature during the Islamic Golden Age was the large number of Muslim polymath scholars, who were known as "Hakeems", each of whom contributed to a variety of different fields of both religious and secular learning, comparable to the later "Renaissance Men" (such as Leonardo da Vinci) of the European Renaissance period. During the Islamic Golden Age, polymath scholars with a wide breadth of knowledge in different fields were more common than scholars who specialized in any single field of learning
Here is a list of legendary islamic scholors,scientists,philosophers,theologians,astro nmiers and mathmaticians
Avicenna (ibn-sina)
Avveroes (ibn-rashd)
al-battani
Aamir Jalal Al Mosawi
ahmad ibn majid
Alhacen (ibn al-haythem)
Arzachel (Abu Ishaq Ibrahīm al-Zarqali)
Avenzoar (ibn zuhr)
Avempace (ibn bajjah)
Geber
Al idrisi
Al zahrawi
among many many others.....
NOW STOP CHATTING VERBAL SHIT WHITEMAN!!!
Iam not anti-white my mother is white, iam not a muslim, and i dont think islam is perfect, and i dont visit the mosqueQuote:
Originally Posted by NickyTooch
that just showed your hate towards arabs and muslims, just cause i said the truth about islam, arabs and slavery everyones callin me muslim and how i should stop listen to the dudes in mosques!!!! hahahaha
You have just showed your all out hate fo muslims,arabs and anything positive to do with them......silly people
You think the educational establishment has been left untouched while they have manipulated every other institution into brainwashing and feeding the masses what they want to be fed??? i dont think so brov, school is next to religion when it comes to feeding impressionable minds bullshitQuote:
Originally Posted by NickyTooch
No one is saying the Muslims didnt contribute anything. Trust me, I took many course on Islam and have read many books including The Travels of Ibn Battuta, and Abd Al-Malik, so your not schooling me...if thats what you were indeed trying to do.
I appreciate the culture, but for them to exault themselves over everyone else.....its natural, every peoples do it.
But they fell just as everyone else does into a Dark Ages after the conquests of the Mongols and Turks.
But Islam was spread by the sword just like anything else, and you can't just conveniently leave out the bad. They invaded Europe and took over most of Spain during the Ummayyad reign (if memory serves correctly) but were stopped or chose to stop(it isnt clear) at the spanish marche.
And not to mention the conquests in North Africa and abroad. How do you think Islam spread that fast in Arabia?
Why are you moving on to islamic conquests?, this topic is about "islam and slavery", but again just cuz i say something positive like how they have influenced the modern world in rebuttal to whitemans comments, you have to bring the negative points...cant you see what your doing....fuckin pathetic brov
Katana...your on that bullshit. There is more too it than 'oh your racist towards ARabs'....if you can't see it than your blind.
As far as school goes, I have had some of the best professor and I am lucky. College campuses are some of the most liberal places in this country and this isnt the fuckin 40's anymore...
Maybe your referring to High School cirriculum??
I dunno, but I cant tell you the amount of primary resources we have read, and that shit is straight from the horses mouth....
So, whatever points your trying to make, your really not doing a good job. Your only brainwashed if you allow yourself to be. I'm a historian, its my craft, its what I do, I look at things unbiasedly in context.
But there is also the context of the here and now, and the experiences of my own life...my own personal experiences with Arab immigrants.
The Fact Still Remains Of The Role Of The Arabs And Muslims Participating In The Slave Trade Is That They Were And Still Are Wrong For Doing It. They Were Just As Cruel Arrogant And Brutal As Any Other Slave Trader/holder. They Were No Better Than Any Other Group Of People Who Did It.trying To Say Only Positive Things Came Out Of The Arab/muslim Slave Trade Is Just Plain Ignrorant. Trying To Cover Up The Reality With, Oh The Muslims Did Some Great Things Regarding Science And Art. Ok, Nobody Denies Their Role In The Advancement Of Science And Arts, But That Doesn't Erase That Slavery Thing They Did.
Slaves With Rights Is Just As Funny As Jews For Jesus! One Of The Most Ignorant Stupid Ass Backwards Statements That I've Ever Read Or Heard Is That Only Positive Came Out Of Slavery When Arab/islam Participated In It. Slaves With Rights! Yeah Ok.
Negative??? Its history, good or bad. Stop being so sensitive.Quote:
Originally Posted by sidious_katana
You should read your bible sirs. There's a lot of fucked up shit in their. Like for example: Did you know Jesus was a Jew?Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Man
AGAIN, AIN'T THAT THE KETTLE CALLING THE POT BLACK?Quote:
Originally Posted by sidious_katana
WHY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT SCIENCE AND ARTS AND THE ISLAMIC RENAISANCE WHEN THIS THREAD IS ABOUT ISLAM AND SLAVERY?
YOU KEEP TRYING TO DIVERT THE FOCUS OFF OF ISLAM AND THEIR ROLE IN THE TRADING OF MEN WOMEN AND TRADING AS SLAVES. THEY DID IT, THEY WERE JUST AS FOUL AS EVERYBODY ELSE END OF DISCUSSION. YOUR SLAVES WITH RIGHTS SLOGAN ISN'T CATCHING ON.
First off dont let your experiences with immigrants cloud your judgementQuote:
Originally Posted by NickyTooch
Your a historian yeah, thats fantastic.....
collage campuses are "liberal" in your eyes not mine
"straight from the horses mouth" was you there when the horse spoke?,how do you know the horse is not lying?
the points iam trying to make are as follows:
Arabs treated their "slaves" better then all other slave trades and they were given more rights.
thats all i was saying but as usual someone sees me defending something to do with islam and they jump at my neck
whiteman your bullshit argument has been thrown in the sea, i kicked your ass with factual evidence so you still gotta carry a argument that had no substance to begin withQuote:
Originally Posted by Black Man
"o...ok then...but...but...arabs still did slavery and that was bad"
Because you said that my claim of Arabs contributing the most to modern soceity is false, so i slapped the evidence in your faceQuote:
Originally Posted by Black Man
YOU LOSE AGAIN WHITEMAN
YOU CALL THAT EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THAT THE ARAB CONTRIBUTED THE MOST TO MODERN SOCIETY?Quote:
Originally Posted by sidious_katana
THAT'S NOT EVIDENCE.
PLEASE TELL ME, WHAT COMPARATIVE QUANTITY DID THE EGYPTIAN HAVE ON MODERN SOCIETY IN COMPARISON THE ARAB? OR HOW ABOUT THE PEOPLE OF INDIA, THEY MADE VAST CONTRIBUTIONS TO MODERN SOCIETY DURING THE TIME THE ARABS WERE AT THEIR HEIGHT IN THE FIELDS OF ART AND SCIENCE. AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT WAS THE PEOPLE OF INDIA THAT THE ARABS LEARNED FROM TO MAKE THE ACHIEVEMENT THAT THEY DID.
LOOK AT THIS DUDE TRYING TO DIVERT THE TOPIC OFF OF ISLAM AND SLAVERY TO HOW ARABS DID SO MUCH. YOIU CAN'T COVER UP THAT MUCH SHIT AND PEOPLE NOT SMELL IT. ARAB/MUSLIMS WERE SLAVE TRADERS AND HOLDERS AND THEY WERE WRONG AND THERE WAS NOTHING POSITIVE ABOUT IT.
YOUR WHOLE SLAVES WITH RIGHTS IS JUST RIDICULOUS. WHAT'S MORE RIDICULOUS IS TRYING TO SAY THAT THE MUSLIMS GAVE THEIR SLAVES MORE RIGHTS THAN ANYBODY ELSE. GET THE EFF OUTTA HERE WITH THAT DUMB ASS SHIT!
OH AND SINCY YOU KNOW THE ARABS CONTRIBUTED THE MOST, HOW MUCH EXACTLY DID THEY CONTRIBUTE AND WHAT UNIT OF MEASURE ARE YOU MEASURING THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS? AND IF YOU KNOW THE ARAB CONTRIBUTED THE "MOST" THEN HOW MUCH LESS DID THE OTHER NATIONS CONTRIBUTE?
I'LL WAIT WHILE YOU CALCULATE YOU FIGURES.
IAM NOT DIVERTING NOTHING WIGGABOY, iam just explainin that the arabs did a lot for the world, you tryin to tell me i was speaking false, so i posted a lil info
you upset for some reason wigga? why dont you go and plant your head in some 5%/nation of islam propaganda and be on your sorry-ass way....
IS THIS THREAD ABOUT THE SCIENTIFIC AND ARTISTIC ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF THE ARAB WORLD? NOPE.Quote:
Originally Posted by sidious_katana
YOU CLAIM IS VERY SPECIFIC, ARABS CONTRIBUTED THE MOST TO MODERN SOCIETY AND THAT'S JUST FALSE.
I'M STILL WAITING FOR YOUR FIGURES TO SHOW THAT THEY ACTUALLY DID CONTRIBUTE THE MOST TO MODERN DAY SOCIETY. I'LL WAIT YET AGAIN FOR THESE MYSTEROUS FIGURES THAT YOU HAVE.
AND
IS THIS THREAD ABOUT THE SCIENTIFIC AND ARTISTIC ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF THE ARAB WORLD? NOPE.Quote:
Originally Posted by sidious_katana
YOU CLAIM IS VERY SPECIFIC, ARABS CONTRIBUTED THE MOST TO MODERN SOCIETY AND THAT'S JUST FALSE.
I'M STILL WAITING FOR YOUR FIGURES TO SHOW THAT THEY ACTUALLY DID CONTRIBUTE THE MOST TO MODERN DAY SOCIETY. I'LL WAIT YET AGAIN FOR THESE MYSTEROUS FIGURES THAT YOU HAVE.
AND AGAIN, THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT THE ACCOMPLISHMENT OF THE ARABS, IT'S ABOUT SLAVERY AND ISLAM. STOP TRYING TO TAKE THE FOCUS OFF THE FACTS BECAUSE THE ARAB HAS BEEN CAUGHT DOING DIRT AND IT'S BEING REVEALED.