Ready To Die....overrated

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Originally Posted by Pat Bateman

Err, you faggits are extremely corny and extremely emotionally involved in what people like and what they don't like.

I'll keep it about what music i do like, and don't like, instead of introducing nonsense.

Classic Tracks:

- Gimme The Loot
- Suicidal Thoughts
- Unbelievable

Really Good tracks:

- Things Done Changed
- One More Chance

Good Tracks

- The What
- Machine Gun Funk
- Everyday Struggle
- Respect
- Ready To Die

Mediocre to Bad Tracks:

- Warning
- Juicy
- Me & My Bitch
- Big Poppa
- Friend of Mine.


I still like the album, it's like 8.5 or 9/10 for me.

But albums i would consider really good, or classic (musically) are almost flawless.

Ready to Die isn't good enough to compare with other hip hop albums which i consider to be really good or classic.

So thats why i think it is overrated.

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lol Look at you breaking it down track by track into whats good and whats not. Thats not how it works. Its a classic album. Youre missing the point of WHY its a classic album. Youre missing the point of hip hop and why people love it. Youre missing the point of why Biggie was LOVED literally loved by people from NY especially.


You do not have any stance to call it overrated, because you dont understand why people loved it so much.


Basically its gone way over your head b.

Yeah, i'd be an idiot to talk at all about music at this point.

Sure, it is classic.

Not personally though.

I tend to rate albums depending on how i enjoy them

Yes, that is as a whole, i was just breaking it down to emphasise, that on albums i consider personal classic, almost every track has to be 9/10 AND contribute to the overall vibe of the album.

It's gone way over your head.

When this album dropped, everyone is NY loved Biggie.

When this album dropped everyone wanted to sound like Biggie.

When this album dropped........

Doesn't make me want to listen to it now.

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Originally Posted by SL33

i've heard about that... postin that would be great

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I got that shit, but i left all my cds home when i came to college.

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Originally Posted by Pat Bateman

Mediocre to Bad Tracks:

- Juicy

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how exactly is that possible??

Could be combination of a pretty average beat and forgettable lyrics along with a boring flow.

And an overall corny vibe.

I love that beat

To each his own tho

Sweet jesus Ready to die is more than classic its a hip hop bible and is far from over rated!! For those who are unaware hip hop started life in its musical form in the bronx, new york as a means of self expresion and a release from the harsh realities that poorer areas (the hood) had to offer. Young people would gather together at block parties where dj's would wow the crowd with there newest break beats. Eventually people would pic up a mic and start expressing themselfs in a rythmic way about how they were feeling and how the music made them feel! After a while popular mc's would learn to become more poetic and start to rhyme whilst expressing themselfs. As the art of Rap music grew and became more popular it took natures natural course amongst young people and we would witness a new quest for who was the better dj/mc and thus Battle rap was born. Battle rap bought about a more serious aproach to how an individual would express him/herself and the need to prove there rhyme skills were better than anyone else.

The buzz of a whole new musical form starting from scratch in a poor area of new york obviously would spark media attention which it did. Now the whole world has got to learn about hip hop and rap music which would lead to the comercialisation of rap music. Rap music is now a big industry selling millions and millions of records which of course becomes under the control of people that cant relate to it because they havnt lived the lifestyle that bread the artform, the record execs!! What this ment for hip hop music was they would push artists into "there" way of thinking which of course the artists would agree to because they couldnt afford not too and we ended up with hip hop music based around sales and shock value rather than pure self expresionism.

Years later along comes Puff Daddy who leaves a big label to start his own label with the intention of giving his artists artistic freedom so the music was pure (ok we all know he turned bitch and birthed the shiny suit era lol)!! Now Ready to Die was his first release on his label and Biggy was obviouly hot on the underground putting out real hip hop and thats what we got. Puffy and biggy gave us real hip hop back, simple break beats and pure self expresion from one of the best to ever do it ............ real hip hop was back and it was back home in the bronx. Ready to die turned rap music from "Im the best" back to "I aint shit but Im gonna be the best because of it and thats what inspires me to be the best". This was the reason why this album was so popular because it was a good old fashioned rags to riches story told told by a master of the craft insted of just "I am the best" which people had goten used to. So yes it deserves its classichood because hip hop was and is more than just the music!!!

Point being...

A lot of really really good albums, with great music on them, throughout all genres of music have had:

- no influence
- no impact
- received no popularity
- received no acclaim

There are albums which no one remembers.

It doesn't make them any less great to someone who thinks they are great.

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Originally Posted by Pat Bateman

Point being...

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that its a classic which dipicted an era

Sure.

I agree.

Doesn't really have anything to do with the quality of the music though.

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Originally Posted by TheWolf

When this album dropped, everyone is NY loved Biggie.

When this album dropped everyone wanted to sound like Biggie.

When this album dropped........

Doesn't make me want to listen to it now.

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Nobody said you gotta want to listen to it now. But dont disrespect it and make yourself look ignorant about Hip Hop historys. If you dont like hip hop then you dont like hip hop, fine. Anyway your point here is dumb, thats like saying Im not feeling Jimi Hendrix cus I wasnt around when he did his thing, so I'm not interested.

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Originally Posted by Pat Bateman

A lot of really really good albums, with great music on them, throughout all genres of music have had:

- no influence
- no impact
- received no popularity
- received no acclaim

There are albums which no one remembers.

It doesn't make them any less great to someone who thinks they are great.

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Now your stretching for your own relevance in the debate. You pulling points out of nowhere which have no relation to anything. You also sound like a typical underground fan who wrongly is believing the music thats underground is better than the popular music. Its not. Most underground music isnt influential for a reason.

Hip hop back then wasnt about quality tho it was about self expresion through music. That being said tho The one thing about an album being of classic status from any genre is that it marks a period of your life which is normally your teenage youth cos you have fuck all else to care about but your old enough to start finding out what music you like rather than what the charts tell you to like. So I can understand why its not a classic to some heads in here cos I am not big fan of Marshall Mathers but stlightly younger peeps in here herold it as a classic.

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Originally Posted by GHOSTLACED

Nobody said you gotta want to listen to it now. But dont disrespect it and make yourself look ignorant about Hip Hop historys. If you dont like hip hop then you dont like hip hop, fine. Anyway your point here is dumb, thats like saying Im not feeling Jimi Hendrix cus I wasnt around when he did his thing, so I'm not interested.

Now your stretching for your own relevance in the debate. You pulling points out of nowhere which have no relation to anything. You also sound like a typical underground fan who wrongly is believing the music thats underground is better than the popular music. Its not. Most underground music isnt influential for a reason.

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Unfortunately you have categorised me as an "underground fan" which seems to imply from what you have said, that i have no tolerance for good music that is commercially viable.

This is not true.

I like whatever music i think is good (stating the obvious i know).

Whether it sells or not is of no interest to me.

The points i made have relation to this "conversation" in that many people are citing the influence and impact of Ready To Die as a contributing factor to it's musical merit.

I was simply making the point that these aspects have nothing to do with the merit of an album musically (and i did say it was a hip hop classic, it's not a point of contention to me, contextually it was a huge album.)

I never said underground music was better than commercially viable music or visa versa, and i don't see how i was driving at this either.

I was just saying that it is POSSIBLE for an album to have no impact and still be great.

Commercial success doesn't preclude musical greatness.

Most truly underground music isn't influential, because not many people hear it.

Maybe not many people here it for a reason (and i could speculate as to what this reason is, but it's beside the point).

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Originally Posted by 7thgrandmantis

Hip hop back then wasnt about quality tho it was about self expresion through music. That being said tho The one thing about an album being of classic status from any genre is that it marks a period of your life which is normally your teenage youth cos you have fuck all else to care about but your old enough to start finding out what music you like rather than what the charts tell you to like. So I can understand why its not a classic to some heads in here cos I am not big fan of Marshall Mathers but stlightly younger peeps in here herold it as a classic.

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^gets it.


Its true though music you grow up with always sticks with you. Its like The W is probably my favorite Wu Tang album because when it came out was when I was like 15 and it marked alot of cool shit that was going on then. It was my soundtrack more than possibly better albums like Forever and 36 chambers.

theres a very big line between classic and great which a lot of people fail to understand. Some albums are great and classic at the same time tho but classic is something that comes with age, like you can throw it on and re live old memories and shit cos you bumped it so hard when you where living the best time of your life. Great just speaks for it self its timeless, young kids will pick it up and be in awe of it generations later.

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Originally Posted by 7thgrandmantis

theres a very big line between classic and great which a lot of people fail to understand. Some albums are great and classic at the same time tho but classic is something that comes with age, like you can throw it on and re live old memories and shit cos you bumped it so hard when you where living the best time of your life. Great just speaks for it self its timeless, young kids will pick it up and be in awe of it generations later.

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I agree

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Originally Posted by Slick

this thread is a sad display

and its not overrated just because you say so

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He's just saying that he 'thinks' it is.

How is that a 'sad display'.

Because you think dissimilarly?

Yeah, making blanket statements with no explanation is much more constructive.

No, Fuck You 'Slick'.

Low blow man, low blow.

I know i haven't got as many as TSA, but i am working on it, but yeah, you are right.

You didn't state your opinion about the album

Just some other irrelevant shit.

haha at adding that in all of a sudden.

Admirable.

I quoted your post though, so...

Again, you didn't state your opinion.

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Originally Posted by Pat Bateman

Err, you faggits are extremely corny and extremely emotionally involved in what people like and what they don't like.

I'll keep it about what music i do like, and don't like, instead of introducing nonsense.

Classic Tracks:

- Gimme The Loot
- Suicidal Thoughts
- Unbelievable

Really Good tracks:

- Things Done Changed
- One More Chance

Good Tracks

- The What (THIS ISN'T CLASSIC!?)
- Machine Gun Funk
- Everyday Struggle (THIS ISN'T CLASSIC!?)
- Respect
- Ready To Die (THIS ISN'T CLASSIC!?)

Mediocre to Bad Tracks:

- Warning (you have bad taste.)
- Juicy (you have bad taste.)
- Me & My Bitch
- Big Poppa (you have bad taste.)
- Friend of Mine.


I still like the album, it's like 8.5 or 9/10 for me.

But albums i would consider really good, or classic (musically) are almost flawless.

Ready to Die isn't good enough to compare with other hip hop albums which i consider to be really good or classic.

So thats why i think it is overrated.

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you have horrible....horrible...horrible taste dude.

Warning and Juicy are mediocre to bad?
you have horrible taste. That's all it boils down to. You have bad taste in music.


eww.

ONNGHHHH !!

Biggie Small Iz Da Illest, Your Style Is Played Like The Arnold "What You Talking Willis"

WHAT WHAT

jigga you need to get your hearing aid updated ..like uh tommorow. lol'

shit still bums hear..im mean it got fuck all on PM DAWN and Redhead Kinpin hahaha

one of the best east coast records all time

Life After Death should of cut maybe 5 tracks (I think he did thst to rest up?

Ready To Die Iz Flawless. RAW AZ Fuck pure street shit, im sure your favourite rappers feel the same way.

are you the mad rapper perhaps b4 "Kick In Door"? like my one buddy said a month ago , you never really hear Biggie drop a weak verse. ? He Iz The Greatest hands down

come to your senses chooch .

baffels me what people post on here ..damn

Yes, pathetic indeed.

Tantamount to desperately editing your post in attempt to save face on a an internet wu tang forum?

I'm not sure really.

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Originally Posted by Tony Bandana

ONNGHHHH !!

Biggie Small Iz Da Illest, Your Style Is Played Like The Arnold "What You Talking Willis"

WHAT WHAT

jigga you need to get your hearing aid undated ..like uh tommorow. lol'

shit still bums hear..im mean it got fuck all on PM DAWN and Redhead Kinpin hahaha

one of the best east coast records all time

Life After Death should of cut maybe 4 tracks

Ready To Die Iz Flawless. RAW AZ Fuck pure street shit, im sure your favourite rappers feel the same way.

are you the mad rapper perhaps b4 "Kick In Door"? like my one buddy said a month ago , you never really hear Biggie drop a weak verse. ? He Iz The Greatest hands down

come to your senses chooch .

baffels me what people post on here ..damn

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YES!!!




(and tsa, you are that corny)

waz that directed to me? i really hope so

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Originally Posted by ThaShaolinAssassin

you have horrible....horrible...horrible taste dude.

Warning and Juicy are mediocre to bad?
you have horrible taste. That's all it boils down to. You have bad taste in music.


eww.

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You only like music which you think is fun.

Which is very fucking narrow minded and emotional stilted of you.

Sorry for having some variation in what i listen to.

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Originally Posted by Tony Bandana

waz that directed to me? i really hope so

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The "YES!!!" part?

Yeah, it was.

1. I can believe I just quit the corp when Bandana returned.

2. TSA, dont talk about SC if you dont smoke weed. Thats a rule

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Originally Posted by Pat Bateman

The "YES!!!" part?

Yeah, it was.

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really and why iz that.

you have a fuckin problen guy with what i said mutherfucker

I like ready to Die, and Life After Death.

so now i d like to know what the fuck you gonna do about it? hahahaha

no really?

lol

ONGH ...you see im a Biggie Fan no?

who the fuck in their right mind would diss Biggie

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Originally Posted by Slick

Fuck you Pat Bateman, I aint here to bicker back and fourth with you about nothing

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Why are you?

This album is classic to me, I don't think there's a single skippable track, pretty much every song is ill as fuck. I don't get how people are saying that most of the beats are bad, but whatever, that's your opinion.

And I've never understood why Juicy gets so much hate on here, what's wrong with it?

Gimmie The Loot , Gimmie The Loot..WHAT WHAT

word to muther im dangerous crazier then a bag of fuckin angel dust.

the funniest thing about that track is that i didnt know forever that was Biggie was him and his accomplish and threw his voice..pure genious.

ONGH

Bateman for real get the fuck out of this thread.

your opinion iz worthless.


only a deaf dude would diss this album

ONGH

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Originally Posted by Slick

Fuck you Pat Bateman, I aint here to bicker back and fourth with you about nothing

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Why are you?

haha,

So now you're discussing me and my habits pertaining to the consumption of liquids?

How 'constructive'.

Don't you like, have better things to do with your life?

Why are people so sensitive when people don't agree with their opinion.

It is very odd.

I think it's either a sign of social inexperience or arrogance.

Not entirely sure.

^ lmao wow you're a retard

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Originally Posted by Slick

I think Pat Bateman has a huge ego and isn't as smart as he thinks he is

I also think Pat Bateman is overrated

Your opinion sucks and is galaxies far far away from reality. And its shitting on a dead man's classic material and you're giving it a bad rep

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Who says i think i'm smart...?

It's a FACT i am.

Why bring up the fact that he's dead?

I mean, it doesn't change how his music sounds.

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Originally Posted by Slick

Those songs you said are bad, are in FACT good songs. Especially Warning and Juicy

I repeat FACT

I don't care what logic you might use to try and oppose this

Now if you'd excuse me, I have a bowl of cheerios to attend to

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Hm, i guess i could use the logic that what anything thinks is 'good' is subjective.

Which is actually a FACT.

Some people just expressed what they thought about the album, others felt the need to bring up irrelevant shit AND additionally insult other people because they don't share the exact same musical opinion. (i was only insulting people because they brought up irrelevant, meaningless shit).

Sean, Inspectah Chek, 11th Chamber and some others who i can't remember, understand it.

The rest do not, and might not for some time i guess.

I respect your opinion and I ain't gonna go through with this whole thread but I'm really feeling "Ready to Die" like that and I was just listening to it today. definitely a classic in my book and one of the strong points of the album is just Biggie's unmatched talent to mix joints for the radio with the hardest shit you'd imagine and coming of successful - i like Jay-Z also but i don't know how "In My Lifetime" can be close to "Ready to Die"....

Biggie poured his fucking heart all over this album as TSA said and he definitely knew how to make you listen up to what he was saying ("fuck the world, fuck my moms, fuck my girl" .... "i'm a piece of shit, it ain't hard to fucking tell") at the same time as being honest with whatever he felt. Of course Puffy was there to shine up the album a bit and i'm not very fond of "Big Poppa" and the album version of "Juicy" but Biggies charisma and the rest of the production makes up for it if you ask me...

Shit, Easy Mo Bee, who is an extremly underrated great producer gave Biggie like 6 of his hardest beats, Lord Finesse created a real piece of art with BIG here and I always thought DJ Premier and BIG brought out the best in eachother with the few collabos they did (and "Unbelivable" is maybe the best of them all and that's saying alot).

This is also a (partly fictional) autobiography of Christopher Wallace which follows the whole story from his birth to growing up dirtpoor to hitting rockbottom before starting recording and slowly reaching star status.

Seriously I don't know how someone could say there's only 2 or 3 good songs on here but we all got different opinions but that is just wow.. but I guess it's all about what type of hip-hop you're mainly into - if you like me, love vintage hardcore boom-bap then most of this album will please you!

Good points.