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yeah this guy is a certified 85
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u the only nigga around?....damn,, go fuck mad chics, get em pregnant an eventually you wont be aloneQuote:
Originally Posted by Create
PeaCeP
take jesus an argue on Instant minature will ya, quit floodingQuote:
Originally Posted by ThaShaolinAssassin
Keep your insults in the first personQuote:
Originally Posted by ThaShaolinAssassin
Immortal is a militant dude. His lyrics, like most lyricists, are based on his experiences. He's not a douche, he's writing what he knows. Instead of bitching about his views, try checking them out and see if any of them are valid. Also, pick up a newspaper and maybe you'll see that America isn't exactly winning any popularity on the world stage.
Peace
Im not feeling him either, hes a respected lyricist like you said but his albums sound like mixtape compilations, he needs a descent producer and better direction if he wants to stick around much longer.
yes, he is a douche.
ThaShaolinAssassin is totally right. this IT got some fuckin nerve to call the US the evil oppressor while hailing stalin who is responsible for the biggest massacares in the whole history. oh and if youre talking about racism than dont forget that blacks also got their own "nazis". i could name at least 10 racist black rappers in a minute or less for example. how come you guys never complain about them? is it ok for black people to call every white person a devil?:\
when i see idiots like this IT i wish they lived in the countries they praise. i wonder how long would IT live in any of these...
And who exactly are you to tell someone where to live? Its called freedom of speech and everyone is entitled to - including Immortal Technique.Quote:
Originally Posted by belfalo
And one question - If rappers criticisng white america offends you so much, why visit a Wu site? Let me make naming ten rappers who are "racist" in your opinion very easy for you - 9 of them are in the Wu Tang Clan cuz they all speak of conspiracy theories to do with the American gov. There are a number of wu affiliates who you can name as your no.10. In fact pick ur fav. killa bee and he's it.
if he says that the US is the worst place than why doesnt he moves to somewhere else? i just dont get it. i could understand him if he was forced to live in the US but he is free to go. if he REALLY thinks that Cuba and Sudan are better places than why is he still in the USA?
i dont care if a rapper calls the goverment evil because most of the politicans are corrupt idiots thats why i dont hate the Wu for their music(i actually like what theyre doing:) ). but a lot of rappers call EVERY white person evil and thats not right. what would you do if a white rapper called blacks devils huh?
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Originally Posted by snapple
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Originally Posted by AK510
co sign to these quotes and what Shaolin Darts has been saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by wadedigital36
If everyone who has problems with their country and/or government should just move to another country (not try and better the country) the world would be fucked, America would be able to do whatever the fuck they wanted with just the ignorant people who wanted the critics gone not caring.
Different people have different beliefs, when things are wrong some people want to make a change for the better.
theres nothing wrong with criticizing your contrys goverment but when you say that stalin is a good person and cuba is a better place to live you got some serious problems. why doesnt IT talks about the shit the goverments of these countries did? its like executing a thief but giving a medal to the murders.
his non-political tracks are garbage..
You Never Know garbage?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ten Fold
You see this is what I don't get. You say why doesn't I.M. talk about this or talk about that and why doesn't he go and live in this country or in that country. Why should he talk about or live anywhere he doesn't want to. Its upto him what he does.Quote:
Originally Posted by belfalo
And as for Stalin and Cuba. A coincidence that he is mentioning two of americas's most prominent enemies there? Think for a minute what that actually means. Not only what he is saying but his actual choice of dictators and who these dictators were fighting against. Just take a minute to think and I guarantee you will see what he actually means.
Its a cd at the end of the day. Like I said he gives you a whole bunch of theories/facts/opinions. These are different to what you see on the t.v. or read in the books etc. So if anyones interested then get his cd and start searching for the facts. Read up, discuss and talk about what he says and thats it. No one has to agree with him and thats what he actually quite explicitly says.
BTW - Wu Tang are notorious for their 5%er - Nation of Islam references - They are actually very anti-white so does that make them racist? Does them referring to something you don't like make them culprits too or is it just when I.M. says stuff that you seem to take offence?
"And who exactly are you to tell someone where to live? Its called freedom of speech and everyone is entitled to - including Immortal Technique."
not in the countries he praises
and to the person who said Why doesnt the US fuck with North Korea and India, cause we Would get blown up. Well North Korea's country and culture is based off of hating the US and we are allies with India
its simply not fair to talk bullshit about the US and praise the dictators who killed millions of their own people. its called double-standard. he dont have to mention these dictators in his songs but if he do than at least dont praise them!Quote:
Originally Posted by ShaolinDarts
if i hated the place i live in, i wouldnt stay for long.:\
"peace to the black, the brown, the red, yellow and white seed,Quote:
Originally Posted by ShaolinDarts
we dont descriminate men over color/creed"
- RZA
i dont really care about racist rappers anyway and i dont get offended by a Lench mob song for example, but i cant stand it when people act as if only white people could be racist and blacks(or other non-whites) were all some kind of saints. thats the double-standard again.
i actually agree that immortal technique takes things to an extreme politically, but you're views are one sided, cause you seem ignorant to the fact that the american government is extremely currupt and far from the heroes they make themselves out to be, racism is still relevant just in a more subtle manner than say in the 20's
the best political rappers are talib kweli and sage francis
period
Very well said, the kind of thing I tried to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tres.Bo.
as ive said it before the problem imo is not that IT criticizes the goverment. theres nothing wrong with that but i cant understand how can he glorify bloody-handed dictators. there may be some(or a lot of) problem(s) with the US gov but stalin, saddam and castro are much worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tres.Bo.
on point, too many people believe the hype. Put yourself in the "enemy's" shoes for a second.., you'd be scared shitless of the U.S. at this moment. People think it's suspicious when a country arms itself (ie. VENEZUELA)...in all honesty..it's just common sense. The U.S. is on its manfest destiny tip right now..determined to establish some pseudo democracy in any region that doesn't agree to its idea of government or ideals in general., they are so determined to spread and establish it...that we'll bring guns to lay down the law. We are in a HOSTILE state right now, nothing about war is pacifistic at all. If you saw some guys down the street..guns blazing...and they were headed in your direction..guns blazing...are u gonna sit there and pick ya nose...or arm up? Capitalism brings blood to the streets. I'm not in opposition to americans...I just don't support this government. I actually feel bad for the average american..., they have no clue where all this is headed....., I've been telling peeps the science before 9/11. Before 9/11 the average american called me a damn lunatic...after 9/11....I'm "aware." You would think 9/11 would be a wake up call. And for the record, RACISM is still at large, more hates crimes than ever before these days....check the archives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kanha
but like my man said yo, "if you only knew what the USA does around the world, if you only knew." <---it's that..and what THEY'VE BEEN DOING for EONS.
unfortunately KARMA exist..and it's slappin us in the face right now. THINGS JUST DON'T HAPPEN FOR NO APPARENT REASON (I.E. 9/11). If you look into our Foreign Affairs interactions...from a political to a MILITARY standpoint...and what they do..., you'd be shocked as shit....to find out..in some areas of the earth...we are bigger terrorists than you could even fathom.
this war....of capitalism versus 3rd World Countries....has been going on for eons. 3rd World Countries over history...have suffered tremendously because most of them don't adhere to this fake democracy and capitalism...SO THEY ARE LEFT OUT TO DRY on the food chain....or.....they have a different culture, way of life, religion, or they are called "savage," and we're supposedly going to "CIVILIZE THEM." (WHAT'S SAVAGE IS GROWIN THE WORLD'S LARGEST CROP OF ATOMIC BOMBS AND TELLING EVERYONE ELSE NOT TO EVEN GROW 1 PLANT) And if they don't "convert" to democracy..., they become an endangered species. WESTERNIZATION is a mechanism that ensures a country's wealth, stability..and the ability to compete economically. Alot of people fear WESTERNIZATION because...a long with it..comes the american lifestyle..which is viewed as being perverse, savage..and will completely WIPE out any historic to present culture it comes in contact with. IF YOU ARE POOR..YOU CANNOT COMPETE ON THE GLOBAL SCALE OF THINGS, 2...YOU WILL BE AN EXPLOITED NATION SOONER OR LATER..., 3.....YOU HAVE NO SAY, NO POWER, NO VOICE....AND IF U DO...IT IS INSIGNIFICANT BECAUSE YOU ARE POOR., 4..ANY DOMINANT NATION THAT ENDS UP EXPLOITING YOU...WILL DO AS IT PLEASES TO YOU, AND BECAUSE OF NUMBER 3...THE ATROCITIES COMMITTED BY THE DOMINANT NATION UPON YOUR PEOPLE AND LAND WILL GO UNKNOWN.
this determination by the US to spread its doctrine to all who are not following it...is extremely dangerous and lethal. It is part of the reason why the average american is becoming a sittind duck in his or her HOMELAND....stolen by the same minds that EXIST today.., just in a more advanced or modernized since.
so....ol slogan but still is meaningful...POWER TO THE PEOPLE.
and for the record, I don't like Saddam nor Bush.., just ain't my type of people.
btw..Immortal Technique has his own agenda...remember that..,
peace.
SubliminaL tha 7th BorN
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Originally Posted by Kanha
thank you man that is a bold statement. now if you excuse me i will put on a shield to protect myself from biased people who will proceed to call me a dickrider.
Cuba was way more fucked before Fidel Castro took over. And If it didn't went good after that is because of the American's embargoQuote:
Originally Posted by ThaShaolinAssassin
America and Europe fuck every third world country.
As said earlier, he has the right to criticize the government, but look who he gives praises too. The biggest terrorists in the modern world's history. End of storyQuote:
Originally Posted by SubliminaL_tha_7th_BorN
And by the way. Immortal Technique isn't racist. He said
My enemy is not the average white man, it's not the kid down the block or the kids I see on the street; my enemy is the white man I don't see: the people in the white house, the corporate monopoly owners, fake liberal politicians those are my enemies. The generals of the armies that are mostly conservatives those are the real Mother-Fuckers that I need to bring it to, not the poor, broke country-ass soldier that's too stupid to know shit about the way things are set up.
In fact, I have more in common with most working and middle-class white people than I do with most rich black and Latino people. As much as racism bleeds America, we need to understand that classism is the real issue. Many of us are in the same boat and it's sinking, while these bougie Mother-Fuckers ride on a luxury liner, and as long as we keep fighting over kicking people out of the little boat we're all in, we're gonna miss an opportunity to gain a better standard of living as a whole.
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So in conclusion, I'm not gonna vote for anybody just 'cause they black or Latino they have to truly represent the community and represent what's good for all of us proletariat.
Viva la revolution!
damn son, what the fuck you talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaShaolinAssassin
Look at revolutionary vol 2's inside cover
There is a picture of Ben laden lying dead with bullet holes all over his body
by the way the biggest terrorist ever is corporate america
Because the corporate America killed more people than Hitler like Tech's boy Stalin did? right.. get out of here
You're not ready for tech, try early 90's Will Smith .....( cough) token!Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaShaolinAssassin
Belfalo, please read this. You seem to hear only what you want to hear. You quote Rza but then what about "Peace Saddam/www.mastakilla.com" - Masta Killa or where Raekwon refers to Wu Tang as 9 Bin Ladens. Raekwon has also made various comments gloryfying 5%er's and various dictators. Is that not glorifying? Or is it just that your a wu fan so they can't do anything wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by frosted592
Don't hand pick your quotes to suit your argument. Look at the whole and then answer cuz I can hand pick quotes and argue for hours but it won't mean anything.
But he's from America. He doesn't need to worry about the law of the countries he praises. All you seem to want to say is that Immortal Technique is not American cuz he praises other countries. How the fuck is he not American and more importantly you are not the judge of who is and who isn't American. You can't tell someone what he is or isn't cuz you don't agree with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaShaolinAssassin
I find your point of view very contradictory. You say that the US is better than other countries cuz they can't speak over there yet you want someone to be censored? Doesn't make sense. Fact is simple - IMMORTAL TECHNIQUE IS AMERICAN AND WELL WITHIN HIS RIGHTS TO SPEAK UP ON WHAT HE SEE'S. There is no lawfull way for you or anyone else to shut him up or have him deported from America.
And explain please why North Korea hates the US. Check a unbiased history book and see.
Lets take a look at the New Orleans situation to see how good the US gov. really is. As long as the media was covering the devastation it was all cool with them and they didn't give a fuck, no one came and no one was sent. As soon as the population starts to whisper this is wrong, how come no ones been sent out? Is it cuz its a black town? Then the next thing we seen Condoleeza Rice packing food for relief packages. Can any black person say to me honestly that this kind of shit with Rice all over the news is not insulting to their intelligence? The gov. thinks that minorities are that dumb that they can be left to die and then they just put up a token black politician on tv putting packages in boxes and its all good again. That just plain insulting.
Democracy implies that the population is well informed enough to make an educated decision on the gov. it elects. So which country in the world is a democracy then? Cuz the media has its spins on brainwashing folk, the gov. is covering up and people like I.M. who have s different perspective to the majority need to be censored due to the wishes of the better off. Its just all hypocracy and thats all. We have people who believe racism is now irrelevant. Damn someone somehwhere is doing an excellent job for Bush.
I'll only give you two example of terrorist act by the us.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaShaolinAssassin
Do you know the CIA are responsible for overtrowing the democracy ellected social president Allende in Chili? They put Augusto Pinochet in power and maintain him for years. Do you know what Augusto did? He did it with the US's aproval.
In Vietnam, They told them they could get anelection to decide if they want a capitalism or communist country. When the date for the election came Washington decide they couldn't afford to let them vote cuz the communist party would have won. So they send GI's to train the facism's military and tons of weapon to fight the majority's will. They did it so they wouldn't lost hands on Vietnam's ressource.
And maybe they didn't kill more than Hitler but they were still making bizness with them untill 1941, even knowing their anti-jews law
Immortal isn't praising non-democratic state, he's only down with their people... And in a way it's more as an image to say fuck america.
You're acting like killa beez's Killarmy didn't sang they got a war plan more deadlier than hitler and that they wwill make terrorist act against america.
Where did I quoted Rza?Quote:
Originally Posted by ShaolinDarts
I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to Belfalo. He said that I.M. is anti-white and I was asking him to read the exact words of your post to see what I.M. had actually said.Quote:
Originally Posted by frosted592
The Rza quote was what he had used to say that Wu-Tang has never said anything that might be seen as anti-white and I was opointing out various references made by them to other governments and also to the 5%er's.
Pardon me for the confusion.
have you realized this is going nowhere?
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OmO < Idiom
so if the US kills a lot of people we can forget about these dictators killing even more?Quote:
Originally Posted by frosted592
i really dont care about ITs opinion on the US gov because i dont live there but if he hates these "evil oppressors" how can he praise Stalin and Castro? he could easily find a lot of other anti-americans to praise who hadnt killed millions of their own.
actually i couldnt care less if they called themselves snow white and the 8 dwarfs. as ive said before i dont care how rasict some rappers are as long as people dont act as if there were no anti-white racism.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShaolinDarts
kookamunga kracka killas
OmO < Idiom