I think it's gay that my Islam thread got closed

The problem is that it is ok to insult certain people for their beliefs and call them sheep, blind, devils, etc., but it is not ok to insult others.

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Originally Posted by NickyTooch

whose to say certain threads are civilized and others aren't though?

TSA's thread, while it was worded badly did bring up a good point, and if you weed thru the insults, there was some interesting dialogue.


I think you all just need some thicker skin.

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if you can't recognize the differences between civilized and uncivilized behavior I'm not sure how to help you

Many of the conversations that people in KTL consider "building" would be considered uncivilized by mainstream society.

THe way that white people and Jewish people are discussed would be considered unacceptable.

Yet, the culture in KTL makes it normal. Which is more offensive? A few crude words directed at an indidvidual, or baseless, accusatory, and inflammatory blanket statements that target an entire people?

I just don't choose to cry about it and try to get people banned, because that is not proactive.

The people that are quickest to disparage others are the quickest to try and get people banned.

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Originally Posted by LadiesLoveCoolDan

The problem is that it is ok to insult certain people for their beliefs and call them sheep, blind, devils, etc., but it is not ok to insult others.

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being called sheep, blind, devil, ignorant
are not insults
unless they are used with no reasoning, or used purely to try to get at somebody's feelings. But I almost never see those words used that way.
or unless someone can relate to those words and feels insulted - but that's on them
you, personally, are well known to make up all kinds of shit to call people (and me) with absolutely no real reasoning behind it, and you know this.
and when people (TSA) base entire opinions and threads about shit with that exact underlying structure - it crumbles.

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Originally Posted by LadiesLoveCoolDan

Many of the conversations that people in KTL consider "building" would be considered uncivilized by mainstream society.

THe way that white people and Jewish people are discussed would be considered unacceptable.

Yet, the culture in KTL makes it normal. Which is more offensive? A few crude words directed at an indidvidual, or baseless, accusatory, and inflammatory blanket statements that target an entire people?

I just don't choose to cry about it and try to get people banned, because that is not proactive.

The people that are quickest to disparage others are the quickest to try and get people banned.

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ill say for the third time - i don't care if people have different views.
in fact it's a good thing.
I would not want people banned for having different views - it's how they approach and convey them.
and whether or not they even have anything real to base those opinions on - and whether or not they are able to recognize that once it's been pointed out to them

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Originally Posted by Lucid

being called sheep, blind, devil, ignorant
are not insults

I don't even know how to respond to that.

unless they are used with no reasoning, or used purely to try to get at somebody's feelings. But I almost never see those words used that way.
or unless someone can relate to those words and feels insulted - but that's on them


Hmmm...Again, the only "reason" people use those insults is because someone disagrees with them on something that cannot be proven. It is typical KTL speak for when someone disagrees with KTL OPINION


you, personally, are well known to make up all kinds of shit to call people (and me) with absolutely no real reasoning behind it, and you know this.
Obviously, I don't KNOW any of you, just as none of you KNOW me. Yet it seems we still evaluate eachother on perception. I honestly believe most of the things I say about people in KTL. And if you guys honestly believe I'm a "sheep", I would disagree strongly, but I guess you can still say it.

and when people (TSA) base entire opinions and threads about shit with that exact underlying structure - it crumbles.

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You are creating different standards for different people, and, in my opinion, are being extremely biased and hypocritical.

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Originally Posted by Lucid

ill say for the third time - i don't care if people have different views.
in fact it's a good thing.
I would not want people banned for having different views - it's how they approach and convey them.
and whether or not they even have anything real to base those opinions on - and whether or not they are able to recognize that once it's been pointed out to them

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Is being condescending civilized?

I'll say it for the fifth time.

When people do have different views, they are immediately insulted. THen, when they respond in kind, the ktl cabal says they are being destructive.

You are already implying, in this thread, that your OPINIONS on matters are more valid than mine and that mine are based on nothing.

Yet I am older, wiser, more experienced, and have more formal education than you.(Me responding in kind to you. Is it true? It is only my opinion based on the internet impression I get from you.)

How is it not an insult that you are implying my views are baseless and invalid in comparison to yours?

This is exactly how the rift in KTL was started.

In KTL most of the insults that cause that friction are ad hominems.

In that I don't point fingers at anyone spcifically. Everyone needs to try to avoid doing that.

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unless they are used with no reasoning, or used purely to try to get at somebody's feelings. But I almost never see those words used that way.
or unless someone can relate to those words and feels insulted - but that's on them


Hmmm...Again, the only "reason" people use those insults is because someone disagrees with them on something that cannot be proven. It is typical KTL speak for when someone disagrees with KTL OPINION

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from your perspective
it also depends on specific instances. I'm sure those words have been used with and without reasoning.
when someone makes a thread or opinion with no knowledge of the source material, or concrete basis behind it, they're going to be called blind or whatever else
this is justified

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you, personally, are well known to make up all kinds of shit to call people (and me) with absolutely no real reasoning behind it, and you know this.
Obviously, I don't KNOW any of you, just as none of you KNOW me. Yet it seems we still evaluate eachother on perception. I honestly believe most of the things I say about people in KTL. And if you guys honestly believe I'm a "sheep", I would disagree strongly, but I guess you can still say it.

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I've never said it

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You are creating different standards for different people, and, in my opinion, are being extremely biased and hypocritical.

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I don't see how any of that applies to me.

the only standard I want to make is to have everybody back up their statements with some kind of thought out basis to it.
sometimes sheep/devil/blind is a well thought out assertion.
making a thread about islam and the quran without an understanding of either can be universally seen as not valid.

eg:


"how can you say that there is no god you dumb bastard"

Lucid is on point and sees the situation very clearly

its mostly a maturity issue
and some guilt that causes allot of the friction also

Lucid....your initial statement....that devil and ignorant and whatever u said weren't insults if they were directed at certain people meeting the criterion you approve of is all the evidence needed.

And it was the first thing you said.


Stop trying to be righteous. THats the problem with KTL. ONe of the main underlying grass roots fundamental problems.

You have a group of people who are immovable within their views, think that everything they say and believe is absolute truth and that any opposition to it is 'destructive' and 'devilish' etc.

Nobody on this forum nor in life is 100% true and perfect in all aspects of their views. Everyone is a hypcrite to a certain extent, and everyone has been proven wrong.

This isn't just a KTL problem. Thats my opinion on the situation.

You'd have to be a cunt baked fucking fool to want to post there in the first place. Or anywhere else on this forum for that matter.

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Originally Posted by LadiesLoveCoolDan

Is being condescending civilized?

I'll say it for the fifth time.

When people do have different views, they are immediately insulted. THen, when they respond in kind, the ktl cabal says they are being destructive.

You are already implying, in this thread, that your OPINIONS on matters are more valid than mine and that mine are based on nothing.

Yet I am older, wiser, more experienced, and have more formal education than you.(Me responding in kind to you. Is it true? It is only my opinion based on the internet impression I get from you.)

How is it not an insult that you are implying my views are baseless and invalid in comparison to yours?

This is exactly how the rift in KTL was started.

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I really don't know where you got any of this from - I never said anything about your opinions being baseless.
I don't see how I implied anything you're claiming I have implied.
it's not about OPINIONS, it's about BACKING UP opinions.
do you know the difference between a based opinion and a baseless opinion?
example - talking about knowing what a book is about without ever reading that book is a baseless opinion.

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When people do have different views, they are immediately insulted. THen, when they respond in kind, the ktl cabal says they are being destructive.

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depends on what you consider an insult. sometimes what you find insulting is not an insult.
not sure what to tell ya, I'd have to see examples

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Lucid....your initial statement....that devil and ignorant and whatever u said weren't insults if they were directed at certain people meeting the criterion you approve of is all the evidence needed.

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smh
its very simple, people, really.
if you call me ignorant for speaking about something I really have no real knowledge of - then you will be 100% justified in calling me that name
if you say "hey lucid that's just...dumb, you ignorant fool" and stop there, it has no basis to it, and is destructive behavior

im not gonna be distracted from playing basketball any longer on this lovely day you sons of bitches!!!!
peace

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Originally Posted by NickyTooch

Lucid....your initial statement....that devil and ignorant and whatever u said weren't insults if they were directed at certain people meeting the criterion you approve of is all the evidence needed.

And it was the first thing you said.


Stop trying to be righteous. THats the problem with KTL. ONe of the main underlying grass roots fundamental problems.

You have a group of people who are immovable within their views, think that everything they say and believe is absolute truth and that any opposition to it is 'destructive' and 'devilish' etc.

Nobody on this forum nor in life is 100% true and perfect in all aspects of their views. Everyone is a hypcrite to a certain extent, and everyone has been proven wrong.

This isn't just a KTL problem. Thats my opinion on the situation.

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Originally Posted by Noam Chomsky

The doctrinal system, which produces what we call "propaganda" when discussing enemies, has two distinct targets. One target is what's sometimes called the "political class," the roughly 20% of the
population that's relatively educated, more or less articulate, playing some role in decision-making. Their acceptance of doctrine is crucial, because they're in a position to design and implement policy. Then there's the other 80% or so of the population. These are Lippmann's "spectators of action," whom he referred to as the "bewildered herd." They are supposed to follow orders and keep out of the way of the important people. They're the target of the real mass media: the tabloids, the sitcoms, the Super Bowl and so on.

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The powers that be know most of us AREsheep. I'm willing to be that 99.9% of the general population here have some degree of sheepishness in 'em. The mistake would be anybody thinkin they're somehow apart from the pack when they don't know what it means to be seperated.


I'm attached to the grid myself, even when I'd rather not be but I'm working on that one. Real freedom in America does not come easy.

(please ask for my definiton before anyone goes off---I got friends to pick up from the airport so I gotta go)----peace fam

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Originally Posted by Visions Unseen

The powers that be know most of us AREsheep. I'm willing to be that 99.9% of the general population here have some degree of sheepishness in 'em. The mistake would be anybody thinkin they're somehow apart from the pack when they don't know what it means to be seperated.


I'm attached to the grid myself, even when I'd rather not be but I'm working on that one. Real freedom in America does not come easy.

(please ask for my definiton before anyone goes off---I got friends to pick up from the airport so I gotta go)----peace fam

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I feel you...I do. It I catch myself all the time. What can you do? Realistically all of us are pretty powerless. You deal with the basic survival...making money, paying bills, etc. We are in no position to even think about any kind of policy making.
But thats the mentality they like....they're not doing it because we're 'devils' or cuz you what you are. They don't discrimminate.

And all that ideology is great, because it has truth to it, but in the end, sometimes they overdo that shit...like these people have magical evil powers, and they control everything and your helpless.

Fuck that shit...thats what I don't buy into, and thats why I am very critical of alot of extremist views like that.
ANd if you notice their followers are almost cult -like, eerily similar to their right wing religious 'rivals'.

The political spectrum isn't a straight line......Its more like a circle with the far right and far left wings meeting at six.

your problem was expecting a serious discussion about some of the morally reprehensible teachings of islam in KTL.

next time try gen chat. only morons make serious posts in KTL.


(sorry to all the nice morons) :9

i take all the credit for "destructive behavior" and it applies to dan TSA MIC Tyson and sometimes nick.

They destroy the possibility of constructive conversation by either distraction, insult, misinformation or overall douchery

Each has their own way of spraying perfume on the shit but at the root its all the same.

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Originally Posted by NickyTooch

due to sunny winters' affiliation with an extremist organization it does not surprise me that he would censor a forum that he moderates if the material is not to his liking.

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qft

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Originally Posted by Lucid

being called sheep, blind, devil, ignorant
are not insults
wut?

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in other news, Dan is now my favourite poster

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Originally Posted by STYLE

i take all the credit for "destructive behavior" and it applies to dan TSA MIC Tyson and sometimes nick.

They destroy the possibility of constructive conversation by either distraction, insult, misinformation or overall douchery

Each has their own way of spraying perfume on the shit but at the root its all the same.

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SOmetimes either of us go overboard, but it is usually in reaction to some dumbass shit that is posted, almost 100% of the time focusing around race. Alot of it stems from the clash of 5% or Nation of Islam vs. White Man.

But your only pointing out half of the side, which alot of people on this board do. Its not a black extremist board where you can post ignorant shit and people will just accept it.

Its hypocrital that you would allow that but would not allow some KKK race bullshit or some Neo Nazi stuff.
That thread would be deleted.

So as long as you allow the pro-black (antiwhite) threads and thats ok, than you will always have confrontations.

You have three choices. Make a seperate race forum with which it will probably be the same shit as here.
I don't think tho, that we have to worry about KKK shit from any of the white members here.
Most aren't even of that variety and the ones that are would wouldn't even be able to get away with it without getting dogged 100 times worse than some of the racist shit now.


You could just delete the threads. MOre censorship, but essentially for the good.

Just let it be...let them debate and duke it out.

Being that I really dont think its a big deal on this board.



People get sensitive and overreact.



Like SUNNY is doing these days as he goes through his Adolf Winters phase

|I didn't see that Gavin post. He is just singling out people who disagree with him. I, personally, think that it is "destructive" to make hideous t-shirts that reinforce negative black stereotypes and then promote bigotry on hip-hop message boards.

But I don't try to get Gavin banned or censored.

I can understand where Gavin is coming from at times racially. But he dips too far away sometimes probably because he has experienced racism in his life personally and it affected him alot.

What he fails to realize is that he is talking to an Italian and a Jew moreso than a 'white man' according to Whitness Regulations with the KKK.

I guarantee i've heard wop, dago and all that shit 50 times more from other whites and blacks on wucorp than anyone has called gavin a nigger.

ANd Dan gets all the Jew hate too.


So, i dont know who Gavin is really mad at. It think it has more to do with Bonerfarm Hitler and all his Aussie shit....basically the rednecks of the Pacific. And others too, like TSA and all the stuff going on there.

Gavin doesn't care about racism. He just wants to be the alpha male on wu-corp. He wants stupid people to agree with him and his borderline-retarded and hitleresque rhetoric

Thats a possibility.

The real problem with KTL is the recent lack of CharlesJones posts.

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Originally Posted by NickyTooch

I can understand where Gavin is coming from at times racially. But he dips too far away sometimes probably because he has experienced racism in his life personally and it affected him alot.

What he fails to realize is that he is talking to an Italian and a Jew moreso than a 'white man' according to Whitness Regulations with the KKK.

I guarantee i've heard wop, dago and all that shit 50 times more from other whites and blacks on wucorp than anyone has called gavin a nigger.

ANd Dan gets all the Jew hate too.


So, i dont know who Gavin is really mad at. It think it has more to do with Bonerfarm Hitler and all his Aussie shit....basically the rednecks of the Pacific. And others too, like TSA and all the stuff going on there.

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Dont forget about the french hate.

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Originally Posted by NickyTooch

I post it because people need to realize why you say the things you do, and how futile it is to argue with a person of your ilk.

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Don't worry it is quite obvious.

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Originally Posted by LadiesLoveCoolDan

The problem is that it is ok to insult certain people for their beliefs and call them sheep, blind, devils, etc., but it is not ok to insult others.

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True.