Got him! Prince Rai sensed TSA's hate towards himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prince Rai
Got him! Prince Rai sensed TSA's hate towards himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prince Rai
I thought you loved TSA and had some sort of semi-heterosexual man crush on him, Ironman.
What happened?
i guess he finally faced the harsh reality that there is no replacing you as fan numero uno, cool dan.Quote:
Originally Posted by LadiesLoveCoolDan
Now please, if you will, show ironman and any other potential rivals how you earned the belt.
FYI
There is nothing wrong with Homosexual eFeelings as long as they are reciprocated.
Does tissa love you, cool dan?
Probably.Quote:
Originally Posted by STYLE
I'm pretty sure all of wu-corp loves cool dan. How could you not?
You know you do, Gavin
It is because I give love to all of wu-corp that I receive it back
It is just that some of you pussies can't handle the rough love that I give.
Youre mad because I won't cuddle with you, Gavin
But you know you still love it.
And you know that you love Tissa more than anyone. That is why you talk about him so much and he arouses such passion in you.
He is your white whale.
But beneath your rivalry lies a reciprocal love that it is as pure as the mountain snow.
Wu-corp really is a beautiful place. Thanks for reminding me, Gavin.
no..i just think sunny says things that alotta u folks dont wanna hear.the cold hard facts,sometimes the truth can be very unbearable for some folks here..atleast he aint living in an unrealistic world like half of u...
sunny cool as far as im concerned
peace SUNNy
agreedQuote:
Originally Posted by graveyard_shifter
I don't hate Sunny, and I certainly don't connect his behavior with that of black people as a whole, but dude is pretty far-removed from reality.
The thing is that, depending on your perspective, you will view what sunny says two ways.
Being that he uses truth's but than distorts them (or is taught to by his cult), he opens himself up.
Couple that with the fact that he is vague and fleeting with most of what he says and its will come across as controversial.
I think he speaks the truth on some things, but on others i agree with Dan. THis dude is pretty far-removed from reality.
who gets to define "reality"?Quote:
Originally Posted by LadiesLoveCoolDan
if you're upset with the entire infrastructure of your surroundings wouldn't you aim for a removal from said reality?
I mean look at Ted Kazinsky (sp?)
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Originally Posted by Visions Unseen
Well than why don't you go all Ted Kazinsky???
You won't because you have a rational mind and realize that that is not a viable nor effective option.
PLus you have something to lose, as most people do.
You can define reality however you like....you have options. Kazinsky had option. Its just he was emotionally unbalanced.
Its all about balance.
Now you're getting very abstract here. I am not going to get philosophical and define reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visions Unseen
Are you saying Ted Kazinsky is a role model?
Ted Kazinsky was a terrorist. I totally understand where he was coming from with his opinions about technology. His problem was not interpreting reality. His problem was dealing with it. He then blew up innocent people and did nothing to help his cause.
Sunny, however, makes baseless, self-serving assertions, draws conclusions using faulty logic, and makes dangerous and inflammatory statements, and claims obscure theories as fact.
I think he is well-intentioned, but cares more about advancing his agenda than dealing with truth or reality.
I agree with that statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by graveyard_shifter
I bring up Ted's leaving-in-a-log-cabin ass as a point to show that distaste with reality as it stands can bring about a conscience efffort to remove yourself from that reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by LadiesLoveCoolDan
Ted's an extreme but as always there's a sliding scale in the personal degree of seperation.
Too much extreme is never good. At least not on the planet we inhabit.
no one in there right mind would agree with Ted's actions and extremist are always dangerous. Their own rationality will mean more than another's life, meaning because of it people die.Quote:
Originally Posted by NickyTooch
But I don't think enough is done to look at why those extremist exist in the first place. How many people randomly picked off the street would be able to tell you what happened in Iran during the 1950's? Those same people that don't know a thing about it will almost definitely have an opinion on muslim extremist.
In general, ignorance is THE enemy.
Yea, but you can't expect everyone to know every detail about every happening in every corner of the world.
The same way you cannot expect everyone to have an understanding of mathematics or science.
The masses will always remain ignorant of everything going on in foreign policy (regardless of your country).
I follow the news and there is stuff you can come up with daily that I dont know.
But understand that really up until the 90's and this decade did we have an real connection with the Muslim world that the average AMerican knew of.
I think you need to start introduced some cirriculum on what Islam is...or on a larger scale, they need to up the ante on WORLD HISTORY or CURRENT EVENTS instead of getting beat over the head with American History.
But still, even if they do that, people just want to go about their lives. They dont give a fuck what happened in Iran in the 50's.
Just like they don't give a fuck about what happend in Europe in the first half of the 20th century aside from when the US got involved.
its too much....
I dont kno shit about engineering.....would it benefit me to know how a suspension bridge is built and works???
I guess, but really, I dont care. Let the engineers handle that.
But it doesnt hurt to scratch the surface,so I agree in prinicple with you.
my grammar is TSA like today
My thing though is that the masses have an opinion on that particular subject but then there's almost zero effort to truly understand the situation. We'd let personal freedoms go out the window with things like the Patriot Act but then not learn what caused people to be so upset in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by NickyTooch
I don't know where you'd start in trying to solve the problem when the whole system doesn't exactly encourage real thinking and if you're not asking questions you won't get any answers.
You don't have to know engineering to drive over a bridge, I understand that you can't possibly know everything about everything but certain things shape life more than others.
true, i see ur point.
I'm reading a good book right now about the similarities between the dealing with the Iraq and Vietnam war.
Its called Iraq, Vietnam and the Limits of American Power.
It essentially deals with the mistakes made by both administrations in how to deal with situations like these.
You'd be surprised how many times they have had good intelligence and just ignored it or did their own things.
Its open to interpretation why and I'm sure the conspiracy theorists would have a field day with it.
In the long run the US is bent on world domination. If you're not in our pocket you will be rolled up on in one form or another. And really, its not conspiracy, its policy.Quote:
Originally Posted by NickyTooch
Jesus, style is bitter to a degree i never thought possible.
:? lol, where did that come fromQuote:
Originally Posted by Pat Bateman
Just reading his pathetic posts throughout this thread.
The US is bent on world domination?Quote:
Originally Posted by Visions Unseen
That is an extremist statement.
Yes, there is SOME truth to it, but it is an oversimplification.
Every country in the world creates a foreign policy designed to benefit itself. To do otherwise would be stupid.
If countries are a business, which they essentially are, the United States is the most successful, and therefore the most hated.
Look at European nations. They literally tried to take over at the world with force during their respective peaks of powers. The United States uses effective policy. In fact, all countries of influence are trying to manipulate and use other countries for their own benefit. Look at China and Russia. Yet you single out the US?
However, times are changing, and the United States is no longer going to dominate world proceedings as it once did. It is a pattern that happens frequently. Now we are in the process of either adjusting or failing, but essentially, it is us, the people of the United States, who decide its policies, not the government or some kind of secret organization.
The United States is no more or less evil than any other nation, but we are hated by other countries because we succeeded at what we did.
Edit: I am not denying that there are problems with the United States OR claiming that we are a noble and righteous nation. But look at the history of the world. This is isn't something that started with the US, and it is going to be short-lived.
He just wants to be loved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat Bateman
Underneath his sparkly, flamboyant exterior, there is a confused little outcast who just wants to be accepted.
But you can't let your guard down on the mean streets that is wu-corp.
Not for 1 second...
Damn this concrete e-jungle, where status is everything and weakness is preyed upon.
i read these accusations about sunny and smile because i know that you couldn't find a post of his to back them up.
The beef i had with sunny was the circular questions.but now i understand the technique.
Its rare for sunny to make flat out statements presented as fact.
That's what the threadstarter does. Sunny asks questions. Questions that make you and cool dan feel insulted.
Twisting truths baseless accusations far out mentality... all in your head.
Disillusions of sense.
How many countries in the past 50 years have had a massive uprising within their own borders that was intially perpetuated by CIA involvement? How many military operations by allies or potential allies have had our backing? Start checking those countries off on a global scale and you'll see that in economic terms we have already captured almost the entire world save for Russia and China.Quote:
Originally Posted by LadiesLoveCoolDan
That didn't happened by accident and the actions are an inherent trait of US foreign policy since its inception as a country. It was gave you manifest destiny, etc They called South America the banana republics for a reason, on and on. I don't even make a judgement whether this is good or bad for the world I'd just like to see some acknowledgement that its actually taking place. The average citizen is completely in the dark about US involvement on a global scale.
Pat you gonna give me that pussy or what?
The last 50 years is nothing. THe United States has been the superpower for the last 50 years.
When Greece was a Superpower, what did they do? Rome, France, England, Spain, USSR, Germany.....
When we left countries to their own devices, there were a couple of world wars. We were thrust into the position that we are in now.
Are we handling perfectly? Obviously not.
I just don't understand how you can possibly assert that the United States government is any more corrupt than that of any other country that has ever had any kind of power at the global level.
Look at what the KGB did.
Look at what governments have done to dissenters in its own population since the beginning of civilizations.
The United States is already changing, and it is proving that our current policy will not be sustainable.
If you have problems with the United States, that is fine, and Im sure many complaints are valid, but this is nothing new throughout the course of history.
I didn't say corrupt did I? I'm merely stating that the role we have played in the world since post WWII is in the dark to the general population and it shouldn't be. The last 50-60 have been endgame moves. We've been preparing for it since our birth as a nation. I just think America should be honest with itself in its text books and such. Roll it out vs the subversive shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by LadiesLoveCoolDan
The real question though, is now that we got all this power what are we going to do with it? The reason all the empires of the past crumbled was because ultimately they did not have a suitable answer to that question.
Agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visions Unseen
The bottom line is that we are not going to have the same power in the near future. I, personally, don't think that is necessarily a bad thing. I don't think the US is evil or against the rest of the world, but at the same time, not everyone thinks like we do, and they still deserve to be heard.
We have been forced into a position where we have to show REAL diplomacy. That doesn't mean we won't still have significant power, but the old way of doing things is not going to be effective in the future.
I do not have all of the answers, but changes have to be made, and if made properly, the United States can help to be a leader in ushering in a "new world order" of sorts, where countries have to work together for common interests.
Of course, most of wu-corp thinks that that is evil as well...
The problem with america is that we are a symbol of truth feedom equality and justice and present ourselves as such . But our actions have not rflected those qualities.
Dan you once said that you respected those who were at least open and honest about predjudice
i really don't understand your "they did it too" argument. Very childish level of understanding.
"its not perfect
"works whe n millions of lives aren't lost due to "imperfect policy"
Look at Iraq. Regardless of your feelings about sadam there was no Justifiable reason to go to war.
And finally ... What was the last policy you created?
That statement about citizens not the gov making policy ... Smh and you say sunny is removed from reality.
Ironic you should use the phrase "childish level of understanding" as you manipulate my words.Quote:
Originally Posted by STYLE
I never justified America's questionable acts. "They did it too" is a response to those who single out America and act as if it is what happens today is Uniquely American. It is part of a cycle of human nature.
What are my prejudices, Gavin?
When did I justify going to Iraq, Gavin?
I have constantly said that America is flawed. But keep in perspective with the rest of the world.
As far as policy, no Gavin, individuals, by themselves, obviously do not enact policy. But if united, they clearly have the power to do so. I think you know exactly what I meant, but were just being a douche.
Look at civil rights. America's foreign policy is changing as we speak, because the people realized what wasn't working and elected a new leader.
Again, you twist my words simply because of your feelings for me. It is difficult to converse with you, Gavin, because like a woman, you're are in it for emotions, not knowledge.
Visions and I can disagree while being civil, because we are men having an honest conversation.
Be a man for once, Gavin.
I think you make sense up to a point then you go off into that territory that almost strips you of your credibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visions Unseen
But to take a bage out of your book....define 'world domination'. What do you mean by that?
Its easy to say, 'Oh the SOviets just want to take over the world' and such. YOu seem preoccupied with jsut AMerican foreign policy and the con stance.
Maybe you should look at both sides instead of just assuming that just because the US has military operations inside of a country, that it makes the invaded country inherently righteous.
I dunno man....you just lose me when it comes to foreign policy because you infuse too much humanism and idealism into it.
ANy leader that has done that has failed. Even American ones. See Wilson and W. Whatever their ideals may have been to you, it real hasn't proven to be effective.
Sunny has a hidden agenda. He's slick to the people who don't know the game his is running. He might be alright, but again, his affiliation and extreme adherence to his group outs him immediately.Quote:
Originally Posted by STYLE
Just like most of them, he has the basis for a good arguement, but strays into that extreme area that, as i've described of others, strips him of his credibility.
But thats just my opinion.
Dan how did i manipulate your words? That's a fabrication you needed to create to justify your stance. The fact is that you spent a page pointing out what others do to lessen the impact of what we do.
All the other chirping you are doing is irrelevant my fine feathered friend.
Its always "its not good or bad or perfect but its good enough for me" with you.
Iraq was my example of
How" imperfect policy" as
you call it has grave consequences.
Policy that was opposed by the policy making public.
Please don't turn my love into something ugly. You of all people should understand its toughness.
Love,
Your lady in waiting,
The discussion implied that America was doing something that had never been done before, that the USA was uniquely evil in its policies.Quote:
Originally Posted by STYLE
I never JUSTIFIED any policies that I deem unfair.
I see nothing wrong with questioning policy, as long as it is proactive and done in the proper framework.
Context is important.
You used your post to imply that I support the war in Iraq. You take my lack of blind hate as blind acceptance, when that is not the case.
But is this really about my moderate politics, Gavin, or is there something deeper? Something personal?
Only through truth can understanding be achieved.
I've pointed to examples as to why I feel this way, really it's just me interpreting what's already happened. Typically, a certain and pre-determined faction is given the ammunition and power to overthrow their country headed by a puppet of our choosing. Usually these guys will run things up until the point that they think they actually run shit and go rougue at which point our puppets are made the bad guy in the national media and the grounds for an intervention on one level or another.Quote:
I think you make sense up to a point then you go off into that territory that almost strips you of your credibility.
But to take a bage out of your book....define 'world domination'. What do you mean by that?
Its easy to say, 'Oh the SOviets just want to take over the world' and such. YOu seem preoccupied with jsut AMerican foreign policy and the con stance.
Maybe you should look at both sides instead of just assuming that just because the US has military operations inside of a country, that it makes the invaded country inherently righteous.
I dunno man....you just lose me when it comes to foreign policy because you infuse too much humanism and idealism into it.
ANy leader that has done that has failed. Even American ones. See Wilson and W. Whatever their ideals may have been to you, it real hasn't proven to be effective.
Panama, Iraq, the Dominican Republic, Italy, all examples.
Manuel Noriega, Sadaam Hussein, Trujillo, Mussolini all individual leaders that received major US backing at one point or another and there are many others. The ultimate goal (and my definition for our world domination) is to place its economy as the central crux for all financial markets on a global scale and to force all nations on earth to have policies in place that are to our own benefit regardless of their own self-interest.
And as I said before its not conspiracy, its just US policy. Everything I'm saying you don't have to take my word for it, you can just research it. The history of this stuff is out there.
Yes, but what I'm saying is that, its not 'US' policy really. Its the result of West vs. East in Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visions Unseen
Mussolini got backing from the West and from conservative because everyone feared the communists.
Same thing in Germany, when the communists tried to take over after WWI.
I see the point you've been making this whole time, even if interpretations lead to disagreement.
But the thing that I point out is that, the alternative to what the US and the other Western countries combat over the world for is not much better. In fact, in my opinion, its much worse, because its more extreme.
But, your right, setting up puppet regimes just to keep communists at bay is not the solution. Its self-serving. But most foreign policy is....no check that. ALL foreign policy is.
Fascism and Communism are side by side on the circle of te political spectrum.
You can choose to view it any way you want.
But yes, meddling in the affairs of other countries....its highly unfair and it stunts the growth of countries and seriously damages them...much like a kid with a fucked up childhood.
THe world domination thing.....I think the US has realized not only in Vietnam but also in Iraq the limits of their power. Iraq is basically Vietnam Lite.
Now truthfully, if we wanted to dedicate a whole lot more time and money to either place, we probably could have been successful.
But the American people and the cost of doing that just won't have it and in the end its just not worth it.