It doesn't matter what you say, they're still mad at Joe Budden because of the beef.
I bet most of them haven't even heard the album.
All of a sudden Royce Da 5'9'' is wack. No one has ever said that before.
It doesn't matter what you say, they're still mad at Joe Budden because of the beef.
I bet most of them haven't even heard the album.
All of a sudden Royce Da 5'9'' is wack. No one has ever said that before.
Your assuming wrong. Chamber Music sold just over 9,000 copies first week with major label promotion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinistarr
38 THEORY OF A DEADMAN SCARS & SOUVENIRS 12,067 12,227 -1 603,312
39 AVENTURA LAST 12,021 15,163 -21 97,544
40 VARIOUS NOW 30 11,651 14,101 -17 621,913
41 HILSON*KERI IN A PERFECT WORLD... 11,596 10,418 11 377,414
42 CURRINGTON*BILLY LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING 11,499 8,860 30 191,228
43 SUGARLAND LOVE ON THE INSIDE 11,158 10,897 2 1,682,739
44 SWIFT*TAYLOR TAYLOR SWIFT 10,799 9,966 8 4,208,064
45 INCUBUS MONUMENTS & MELODIES 10,489 15,863 -34 96,290
46 DREAM THEATER BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS 10,248 40,285 -75 50,839
47 URBAN*KEITH DEFYING GRAVITY 10,063 10,759 -6 452,360
48 FRAY*THE FRAY 9,796 9,618 2 605,277
49 WU-TANG CHAMBER MUSIC 9,548 75 999 9,623
50 BEYONCE ABOVE AND BEYONCE 9,508 10,578 -10 34,360
51 FOXX*JAMIE INTUITION 9,418 8,239 14 995,411
which is exacaly why this thread is a joke. slaughterhouse sold twice as much as wu-tang on an INDEPENDENT LABEL with 36K shipment..
but this tical2000 faggot is embarrasing himself and indirectly insulting wu-tang who hes trying to defend by speaking about business when the dude is a complete dickhead moron.
now i cant wait to see this faggots response when he sees wu-tangs chamber music soundscan that he clearly didnt know about....come on tical2000, its ok. you can show your face.
just swallow your pride. appologize. and walk away.
and please refrain from any slaughterhouse topics from now until forever.
^^^all your posts in this thread were on point. I don't listen to a lot of Slaughterhouse (fav. member Joell tho), I even dislike Royce a bit, but I agree, they aren't as bad as this site thinks.
Of course Joe budden chose the wrong rapper from the wrong group to mess with. If I was him, I would challenge Rakim to an open freestyle from the top. (AND EVEN IF I WOULD WIN, I WOULD STILL BEEN SHITTED ON CUZ OF BATTLING A LEGEND...that's just how it goes)
I was not asking the question to anybodyQuote:
Originally Posted by standout
Read. I said marketing not Finance. And I'm comparing numbers, damn did you read my post? You're repeating yourself.Quote:
A number says nothing unless its compared to other numbers - this is one of the first things you learn in Finance (if you really studied business). So 18k might seem low, but when you account that only 36k was shipped - that is abnormally high. 50% of the total shippment was sold in its first week. You dont see the significance?
Jim Jones just did 40k first week with 2 videos pre-album release and a major-label backing. Fabolous had the number 1 album in the country with 99k, 2 videos, 2 internet videos, and a major-label backing...
And the number of people in the group means nothing.
Wu-tang did 68,000 first week on a major label with the 8-diagrams, and there is 8 of them. And because their on a major their only getting like $1.50 per record vs. $7 per record on E1...Do the math...
exactly! close thread and lets stop entertaining these Hoey dickriderzQuote:
Originally Posted by tical2000
CAN SOMEONE HURRY UP AND BAN THIS TROL???Quote:
Originally Posted by standout
Its pissing me off we;re having to argue your lies, Chamber Music WAS ON E1 Koch
WHICH IS THE EXACT SAME LABEL AS SLAUGHTERHOUSE YOU DUMB FUCKPISS
And it got ZERO promotion, probably about 1% of the promotion that Slaughterhouse got, not even Wu fans knew it was cmoing out until like 2 weeks before.
Meanwhile Koch have been pushing the slaughterhouse thing for MONTHS, theyve been all over blogs, theyve had dickriders spamming all the forums, theyve had beef hype, theyve been on the biggest hip hop tour (rock the bells) for like 6 months
AND they have members from all different locations in USA, but they STILL couldnt even sell 20k.
Face it, this figure is about as bad as it couldve been for them.
thats right chamber music isnt even a certified Wu-Tang Clan group album. just a side project. and slaughterhouse had a video on mtv they did tons of interviews and where on Rock The Bells. all Rza said is chamber music coming soon in a couple of vidsQuote:
Originally Posted by GHOSTLACED
they need to talk to cam about how to build a successful group in this era
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First off, you are an absolute douchebag......trying to spin Slaughterhouse 18,000 units as good business......after all the video blogs, internet hype, beef with rappers, music video, and legions of internet douchebags, THOSE ARE SHIT RECORD SALES, DEAL WITH IT!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by standout
As far as CHAMBER MUSIC doing 9,000 units, I would agree that is shit......BUT, CHamber Music is not really a "real" Wu Tang CLan album, it was kind of a side project with Rza and a band, half the tracks are like interludes......the album came out with zero promotion not on a major label, no video, no beef, and no fuckin daily video blogs.
I think the better compariosn would be to Method Man/Redman Blackout 2 in which Joe Budden said he was more relevant than Method Man, well that album sold around 59,000 copies with little promotion.
Face it, Joel Ortiz will be working at Burger King and Joe Buddens will be working at Foot Locker in no time at all....
lmao. i had never heard of joel ortiz until GTAIV. and buddens...well everyone knows him fromQuote:
Originally Posted by tical2000
Pump p p pump pump p p p pump
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Being one of the 18k people who acually went out and bought the Slaughterhouse album, it is not a bad record. It is by no means a classic, but not bad. I personally expected the album to do better numbers honestly. It's not a Joe Budden album, it's a collective effort by a group of well respected emcees. Joe can't take the loss for this one as he was just 1/4 the product. Royce and Crooked alone should have been enough to move more units than this. I blame the internet itself for the lack of sales across the genre. I mean seriously, we had people on this very forum saying they refused to buy Chambermusic because it only had 8 real songs, then just downloaded it from someone else.
I know Wu-Tang has a lot more than 9000 fans, so those first week Chambermusic numbers are just reflecting the fact that most people don't pay for music anymore. I for one have to have the album in my hands. I guess I'm old school like that. I had to buy Chambermusic and Dopium and the Afro soundtrack from an actual store and listen to the actual disc. These figures are just a sign of the times.
wow, so if the Slaughterhouse album only sold 18,000 units, How many units do they expect to sell as solo artists???? 4000 units each? you can't make a living off that
I honestly think this is the end of their respective rap career's
not to mention the big bugget single and video they had
the slaughterhouse bandwagon is misrepresented due to the fact the cock jockeys talking about how great they are, dont even cop the album!!!
slaughterhouse is 4 emcees without established fanbases, lookin to grab one collectively.
objective failed!!!! you cant sit there and tell me a joell ortiz has an established fanbase. im being nice calling dude an industry bum!!!
ima just sitback and bask in this L though only to spite the loonies gassing sh up like a supergroup!!!
Ever heard of live shows?Quote:
Originally Posted by tical2000
yeah thats probly the only way the less successful wu members make money nowadaysQuote:
Originally Posted by Rama
Ya but do people really want to see these 4 losers live?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rama
6 months from now I would be shocked if these dudes in slautherhouse could fill a venue with fans.....
Wu Tang are still selling out shows because they have a great catalouge of songs and classic albums to play live......people will always want to hear these songs regardless of the new music they put out...
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Originally Posted by Unicron the Agitator
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Originally Posted by tical2000
LOL. You fucking moron. You are the dumbest person i have came across in a long time.
Im gona do this once more, and never again.
Budden released his last album Padded Room in february which to date sold 31,000 independently...He gets 7 bucks a record.
Just off Padded Room that Man has made over $200,000
His Halfway House mixtape came out in October...It did digitally 3,000...
Escape route just did 1,700 first week...
Collectively they are gona do over 8,000 by the end of the year.
Thats 56,000.
Budden has made over $250,000 Just off 1 album and 2 mixtapes dropped this year.
This does not include Live Shows, which is huge...and they are about to go on tour with Tech N9ne and do some outragous number like 48 shows in 50 days or something.
This also does not include the Slaughterhouse album...
And hes scheduled to release Mood Muzik 4, and another album by the end of the year.
If i was to take a ballpark guess i would say that he grossed in over $600,000 just off music...
You cant make a living off that? Your on crack...i can bet money that half of the wu-tang aint even making those kinds of numbers anymore.
what are you buddens accountant!?!?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by standout
get off his dick son why you so concerned about how long someone elses money is!?!?
i find it sad you go to those lengths to defend another mans situation!!!
straight salon shop nigga!! HOOOMOOOOOOO
Co-Sign.Quote:
Originally Posted by angry!
Ok. So if me putting out factual information into a discussion that’s based on money (look at the title kiddo) is "homo"...then what does that make the people here that put out fraudulent information into the same discussion in an attempt to throw hate at a group of men that are clearly experiencing success?Quote:
Originally Posted by angry!
Better yet, what does that make people who actually took the time to maneuver their mouse and click onto a thread that they apparently have no interest in but simply with the intention to cherry pick people who are there to have a discussion? (i.e. you)
What does that make them?
P.S. - for the sake of the discussion, keep in mind that i did not make this thread. I did not speak on anyones money, success, or living standards, until it was brought to attention by other people - notably tical2000.
All i did was debate a statement. Thats what message boards are for.
So next time someone tries to insult me for liking slaughterhouse - then insult me for liking slaughterhouse. But dont try to throw some corny shit at me and ignore that fact that all im doing is debating a statement someone else made. If you dont like a general statement or topic..then attack the person that made that statement or topic, not me.
Don't let it get to you, son. There are those on this board that just feed off of confrontation. It's a pissing contest coded with 1's and 0's.Quote:
Originally Posted by standout
the fact stays that slaughterhouse are just doing music and rhymes that inspectah deck was doing way better and way back in fucking '97 and earlier.
They are just clones. Weak clones.
Slaughterhouse and rappers like that got their WHOLE STEE all from Deck. Deck is a fucking giant influence on all these wannabeez.
Yo, aiyyo my rap style swing like Willie Mays
My eyes Purple Haze, my solar razor burn through shades
My grenades raid the airwaves, catch this rap page
I glide like, hovercrafts on the Everglades
Boom master, with the faster blade, track slasher
Manufacture poems to microphones, bones fracture
Limited edition composition spark friction
non-fiction, the calm bomb keep your arm distant
Zero tolerance, dominant intelligence
Wu original, true colors step from the melanin
The most high, most try, to get close by
and overthrow I, but choke, with they hopes up high
I circulate the tri-state and vibrate beyond the Richter
Flies sense to flock when they spot this live nigga
The crowd seducer black your third eye before I lose ya
Verbal high I leave stars in the eyes of Medusa
Top ten, parley like Cochran, it's often
narrow margin, of your odds to dodge the marksman
Murder rap, kill you soft like Roberta Flack
Words attack like a british bulldog, observe the stacks
^^^
This is basically what they are all striving to sound like. Whats really sad is that they either dont even know it, or are happy to be dissen flagrantly the very founders and creators of their own shit.
The problem is they dont have the clarity, innovativness, or variation of their Gods, the Wu Tang. Slaughterhouse are wack offspring, but these sort of groups are only possible in 2009 because of the success of Wu Tang.
Ok you study business, we get it:thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by standout
So do I, and your argument hold no water what so ever. What it has to do with studiyng business is beyond me, its simple mathematics, nothing else! 18K is 18K no matter what. Are you telling me thay would sell twice as much if the shipment was twice as big??? I dont think so. Theyre a niche group, they have a certain fanbase with a certain size, thats it. And bwt 1600 copies is weak (and here you cant use the shipment excuse lol).
Honestly you must go to some kind of grocery school, dont act like you Donald Trump because you can divide numbers.
too much bullshit to read but here's my two frickin cents anyway...
on the contrary, the face slap probably got him the 18k sales...and thats 18k sales too many IMOQuote:
Originally Posted by tical2000
wtf...who got slapped then apologized on da interwebz wearing an icewater scarf..you fuckin stupid or somethin?Quote:
Originally Posted by Killbot
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Originally Posted by The Prime Sithesizah
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Who slapped Budden and when/why?
You can talk business study's all you want but fact - Budden disrespected Meth by saying he is irrelevant but Budden's group sold much less than Meth and Red.
Fair enough that Budden did apologise to Meth for saying it but at the end of the day he put it out there. Independent vs major is a defunct argument because Budden strived to be on the very label that Meth has been on his whole career. I have heard all of Buddens catalogue and his def jam album shows just how he compromised (compared to his other albums/mixtapes/material) so saying Def Jam vs other labels is an argument is bullshit.
Meth (and Red too) has faced that pressure all his career but Budden only faced it for one album and folded. That says alot about this whole '18k on independent is better than BO2 on major label sales' just doesn't hold weight. Major labels recruits major rappers and Budden wanted to be one of them. For his fans to now turn around and say thats a bad thing is just pure bitterness.
The beats on slaughterhouse are straight booty, making the shit unlistenable to me. Fuck em.
Really, Fermi?.. Staten Go Hard mixtape over Padded Room? VERSE for VERSE? How often do you see people relating to Raekwon more than Joe Budden? If people had to select between these two' catalogues to live with the rest of their lives, I can almost PROMISE more people are gonna choose Joe Budden. Why? Because he's more versatile and touches more topics. OB4CL2 has been waited on for like forever, meanwhile, Joe Budden is hardly disappointing with his recent releases. Deny the fact all you want. Go through most topics about Raekwon's recent single releases and you'll see LOADS of negative feedback. Some people dont even care about that album anymore because they're hearing weak material. IMO.. this whole discussion is biased. Its on a Wu-Tang website, so people here are gonna feel some kind of way. These fans are gonna wanna believe that Raekwon is still the same Chef from over 10 years ago. NOBODY UP HERE would be talking wreckless if it was a supergroup like Big Daddy Kane, Rakim, Kool G Rap and Masta Ace.. and G Rap being the nigga that got punched in the face. More of you wouldn't be supportive of Wu afterward and would've seen it the same way.. like.. how Raekwon is the "LEGEND" in this case.. G Rap being more the "LEGEND" in that case would've had a case-load of you dickridin G Rap and saying "Fuck Raekwon" right now..
It took ONE PERSONAL opinion to make thousands of fans hate ONE MAN thats ALWAYS speaking his mind, whether people like it or not.. thats sad!! All Meth and Joe had to do was collab and see who outshined who, let the listeners decide.
Explain to me how Slaughterhouse isnt doing better than Wu-Tang Clan TODAY? Lets not confuse the 93 - 97 Wu-Tang for the modern Wu-Tang. Chamber Music was dope but line for line, not quite with the Slaughterhouse debut.
ah smell PUSSSaaaaaYYYYYY!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Prime Sithesizah
read the title dickscrunch, ONLY BUILT FOR CUBAN LINX NIGGAZ WHO HOLD WEIGHT
He doesnt fuckgin WANT to "emotional connect" with a pussy emo faggot like you!!
and when i want music i can "emotionally connect" with, im certainly not gonna pick fucking JOE BUDDEN's clown ass to do it with.
i cant believe the amount of effort some faggots will put in to defending wack niggas!!!
i didnt ride out like that for rappers i idolized when i was a lil dude!!!
pathetic!!!!
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Originally Posted by GHOSTLACED
It doesn't have to be "emotional connect".. that album was a STREET/WORLD classic album. Im not surprised YOU'RE trying to make a case, most of the threads you're involved in, you RARELY make sense and get the point across.. which is why you feel the need to call others "faggot" about everything.. its the iNet, B.. stop catching feelings lol.. damnn.
ITS ... ONLY... OPINIONS! If Raekwon is the better lyricist in your eyes, so be it.. lol..
Coming from a person such as yourself that makes the type of beats you make, no offense or disrespect intended, you should be laughing at this slaughterhouse shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Prime Sithesizah
Comparing them to Wu-Tang in general, it's a MASSIVE joke to me.. lmao.. the beef. the fans ridiculous statements. etc.. all Im saying is that, lyrically.. until the next Wu album.. Slaughterhouse outdid them compared to Chamber Music.. people are not taking heed.. I never said Slaughterhouse is GREATER but the better team as for modern time, jus weak beats on the album (nobody can deny that).Quote:
Originally Posted by DRUNKENDRAGON
i would understand if most of u buttonfagz would be with 'wu isnt what they used to be' they should leave it at that and they wouldnt get mocked. but when you fags bring in the 'slaughterhouse is the hottest/best right now and is better than wu'....that's just false dickriding. which part of that slaughterhouse album is a "classic" or "amazing" how u fans call it, i listened to it, i don't see anything special...sure theres a few hot verses here and there but the production on that shit alone is dimebag quality, there's nothing that stands out bout them whether it be their flow or their voice, just 4 "ok/mediocre" mixtape rappers on a regular average joe album, if you replaced one of them with another decent mixtape rapper you wouldn't even notice a difference. that's what i mean, what is slaughterhouse bringing to the game that makes them so SPECIAL and "THE HOTTEST"? nothing. i would rather listen to chamber music than that wannabe mainstream slaughterhouse shit with gimmick ass cheap beats, even the guestlist on chambermusic>slaughterhouseQuote:
Originally Posted by The Prime Sithesizah
you're right, no one would be talking shit because most of us who love rae loves g rap and the such just as much. and if g rap said he can pass method man lyrically, he would have a valid point, and they are both legends so it wouldn't even be disrespect. i would go to the neutral side if that happened becaues rae and g rap are both legends that deserves respect. but the thing is...IS BUTTON G RAP?and im sure rae wouldnt go and disrespect a man like kool g rap, nor will a man like g rap ever say somethin like that to create a buzz cuz he dont need to, unlike button. puttin g rap in place of button is just stupid, cuz their background, their reputation, their music catalog, and what they did for hiphop and how respected they are , are on a complete different level. g rap is a legend from way back, button is a nobody who couldnt blow up and got dropped of def jam after a single album.
Neither album was all that "amazing" to say the least, its just.. personally, I felt the Slaughterhouse album more (and it kinda came off like a mixtape in a way) because it was a little more entertaining.. IMO.... because I was a lyricist and stopped writing to produce music now. But I respect your opinion and point of view..Quote:
Originally Posted by RAW-TASTE
The problems with Wu fans enjoying the slaughterhouse album was compounded even further when Memory Man released Cuban Revolution. It SHITS GIGANTIC TURDS all over the slaughterhouse album. There's not a chance in hell a Wu fan is gonna big up slaughterhouse at this moment in time.
the album is dope. and they really had no, and i mean no, promotion whatsoever.
i mean, just cause its on wu-corp doesnt mean anybody else even is aware of any "beefs" or anything. and hip hop heads on the internet download all their albums anyway.
but honestly, 32,000 pressed and shipped. 18,000 sold. thats good business. honestly. they damn sure didnt brick. they aint setting the world on fire, but they did not brick either.
one of the better albums out right now. and they are all 4 mc's who can spit.
First off, what 1600 dollar shippment are you talking about? I have a feeling that your reffering to the 1700 digital downloads of buddens mixtape.Quote:
Originally Posted by CPH Link
Which is not a shippment. You cant ship a "download". Downloads you download from the internet and pay for them on the internet. Now im starting to feel like im teaching people how to use the computer.
Second, you said 18k is 18k. Fair enough.
But 18k is being compared to what?
18k can be great, and 18k can be a flop. Slaughterhouse did no where near a flop.
If a million cds were produced, backed by a major, and the shit did 18k...thats is not a
good look.
But if 36,000 are shipped, on an independent label, and 18k are sold first week...thats good business!
No one has to recoup a dime. It means that everyone went to the bank.
Now - everybody knows whos album drops September 8, 2009. Wel see how those numbers look like.