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But, you do realize your dislike for your countries faults is VERY PATRIOTIC OF YOU.
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Originally Posted by theheavens
But, you do realize your dislike for your countries faults is VERY PATRIOTIC OF YOU.
Dictionary.com : "a person who loves, supports, and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion."Quote:
Originally Posted by abanks47
his or her country
How the fuck did you manage to find KTL? I'm impressed.
Well than America will be a lonely place because I do not think many fall under the dictionary.com definition of a patriot. I guess I can move to canada er something, because we should all leave right?Quote:
Originally Posted by UnequivocallyCorrect
Devotion (Dictionary.com):
1. profound dedication; consecration.
2. earnest attachment to a cause, person, etc.
3. an assignment or appropriation to any purpose, cause, etc.: the devotion of one's wealth and time to scientific advancement.
4. Often, devotions. Ecclesiastical. religious observance or worship; a form of prayer or worship for special use.
I have a problem with the devotion aspect. A profound dedication to anything seems a bit dangerous and stupid in my opinion. Take it as you will, insult me afterwards but thats just me.
Wait, this is KTL, I fuckin just stumbled out of a box and started typing sorry about that. no but seriously why the fuck even make that comment, makes no sense what so ever.
I'm saying "Move where ever the fuck you WANT to live." Jesus I'm becoming the fucking tony robbins of this thread just trying to break it down for the simple folk.Quote:
Originally Posted by abanks47
This is exactly the problem. Your short-sightedness has taking definitions literally to the word. And you don't see anything wrong with this? I do, Its very narrow minded.Quote:
Originally Posted by abanks47
Dont say "i think a slave is patriotic cuz they built the country" when EVERYONE and their grandma knows a patriot must be a citizen first. Sure a slave, can ACT patriotic - but why the fuck are you even talking about slaves. I just dont like re-posting the same definition because you want to talk about slaves.Quote:
Originally Posted by abanks47
If I have to keep re-posting definitions, you will keep surprising me with your ability to remember a username and password. THATS why I made that comment
I think its very unfair of you, someone who is in no position to state who and who isn't a patriot to go on ahead and state that someone cannot be a patriot because there not a citizen. Whether it be a slave or an immigrant. The definition that you posted O so many times says nothing about a persons citizenship, thats some shit that you just pulled out of your fucking ass, You say everyone knows this but I didn't and no one else mentioned it in this thread but you. I want to live in America but I don't think it's necessary to be a patriot in order for it to run successfully and efficiently. and forgive me for taking definitions literally. I thought that definitions of words, were word's defining points, broken down so that we could understand what a word meant. Meh I could be wrong, I seemed to have been wrong all the other times I posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by UnequivocallyCorrect
I'll say whatever the fuck I want, because I live in America, land of the free. that also means if i choose to not be a flag waving patriot that I can still live here and have the same rights you do.Quote:
Dont say "i think a slave is patriotic cuz they built the country" when EVERYONE and their grandma knows a patriot must be a citizen first. Sure a slave, can ACT patriotic - but why the fuck are you even talking about slaves. I just dont like re-posting the same definition because you want to talk about slaves.
http://www.orlandogopconnection.com/...g%20Waving.gif
Go on shed a tear.
No Wucorp member would seriously consider a herding lifestyle. Kinda reaching there....Quote:
Originally Posted by Prolifical ENG
Anyway lets get to the meat. They are tied to Russia's currency and will. Despite "feeling like their not a part of the Russian federation"
The Isolationists have a moving home(that follows their herds). But they also have their own "Isolationist" Buryat rulebook where they expect "charity to the needy".
The notion that Abanks could relate to a "Siberian Nomad" more than his actual neighbors is not very credible.
Whoever feels so isolated they cannot relate to their neighbors would be a depressed mother fucker. And I would sincerely feel sorry for that person/people.
I would consider this similar to a state-nation patriotism discussion?? If California had some type of beef with the larger rest of America. Than each Individual in California(and Buryat) would need to decide if they are a citizen of America(Russia) or a citizen of California(Buryat). Its up to the individual if dual-citizenship is a possibility. Patriots of both sides would/should exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prolifical ENG
Yes, i have been trying to get people to accept the possibility that a "rebel" could be patriotic but they have very thick skulls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prolifical ENG
Thanks for the intelligent and evidence backed response.
Hahahaha Ok - Sure - Fine. We will move into the figurative definition of "Patriot" and include people who love, support, defend their whip-carrying slave owners.Quote:
Originally Posted by abanks47
-To those dumb niggas I say "Run where they wont find you! They are not your friends and they have proven they dont love,support,defend you!"
I cannot believe you are such a big fat fucking idiot you think a patriot doesn't need a country to support.Quote:
Originally Posted by abanks47
If you live in America I think you do NEED to be a patriot. Otherwise your an isolated individual who doesn't care for your neighbors.Quote:
Originally Posted by abanks47
You know how to look up the word "definition" but you we're unable to see it in more than one context.Quote:
Originally Posted by abanks47
Dude, I'm not going to change the law but I would if I could. Does my point of view upset your measly little ass-hole that much?Quote:
Originally Posted by abanks47
I honestly think your swollen eyes would shed less tears if you lived in Africa. But you want to be a cry baby.Quote:
Originally Posted by abanks47
Nothing for me to battle here, all ignorant bullshit. make a point or don't quote me. Just to name a few former slave patriots you may want to read up on Frederick Douglass (first patriotic act- whipped his slave owner), Harriet Tubman (If you don't know some of the things she did, jump off a building dumb bitch), Nat Turner (Led the biggest slave rebellion in US history), Booker T Washington (helped in the advancement of black education). Cant forget about Cinque, he'd slash your fuckin throat if he knew you were talking this bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by UnequivocallyCorrect
How about blacks immediately after the emancipation? Since they are now technically citizens should they now be patriots in a land that literally taunts, abuses and murders them for fun and for being slightly different. Fuck that, I think there hatred for there country, if it existed, was justified and they have the right to live in this country just as much as George Washington.
don't want to sound like a corny bitch but home is where the heart is fag, I mention again and will continue to mention slaves. some fought along side people who would normally spit on them, rape there fam, and kill there brothers to protect there home. if thats not patriotic than fuck it ill drink some bleach.Quote:
I cannot believe you are such a big fat fucking idiot you think a patriot doesn't need a country to support.
I'm glad you just think this and it's not a fact because people know how fucking dumb this shit is. I love my neighbors and don't consider myself a patriot and I'm not an isolated person. Depends on how you define isolated but I don't think so. Checkmate, you lose.Quote:
If you live in America I think you do NEED to be a patriot. Otherwise your an isolated individual who doesn't care for your neighbors.
I take words at there literal forms, is this a crime? If you want to explain patriot to me in the most complex and detailed way, please do so. I will read it and possibly agree with it.Quote:
You know how to look up the word "definition" but you we're unable to see it in more than one context.
Why not ask Obama? he listens to you right? go on ask him, im sure he'll agree and say you know what you're right, lets take people's rights away for being different and having opposing views. You two will hold hands and skip together with flags on your lapels.Quote:
Dude, I'm not going to change the law but I would if I could. Does my point of view upset your measly little ass-hole that much?
You know i have been considering a change of scenery, maybe I might. If it will clear these darn eyes up..... you're gayness gets in the way of your posts being funny. my evidenceQuote:
I honestly think your swollen eyes would shed less tears if you lived in Africa. But you want to be a cry baby.
You want to get to meat like a typical gay. bishop takes king faggot. I win.Quote:
Anyway lets get to the meat.
Thats true. However they may be isolated to some geographical standards, they still have their neighbors and within themselves have a functioning society hence may not be depressed as we think. Dont know what the currency situation works either. They may not be using hard currency as much as some places.Quote:
Originally Posted by UnequivocallyCorrect
Moreover, some people are more patriotic towards a municipality or province/state before a nation. They can all tie in together but some choose the local first.
Its nice to see some in KTL not taking precisely defined conceptual definitions literally as some definitions change over time.Quote:
Originally Posted by UnequivocallyCorrect
nobody in their right mind would be a patriot of this country...
Mormonism
NAMBLA (north american man-boy love association) -- yes, retard, it's real
ypu. pure american-made
To be patriot is to be a good and rational man, a man who knows where he is coming from, and knows where he is going.
And one thing, very clever thought by the way, that i heard somewhere.
You should patriot when you're abroad, in other country, by being decent and civilized, everybody can be patriots in their own country, but not anyone can be real patriot in other countries.
I've seen, many english man, and americans stumbling around my city drunk and drugged not knowing what they are doing. That's no patriotism.
To be a patriot is to know your history, and to know how to represent yours when at other people's soil.
And yeah history of your nation should be more than 2 centuries long, to know what real patriotism is.
Yep americans, i'm aiming at you.
it dont matter americans
in the next 2 years there is going to be rolling blackouts, the dollar wont be able to buy shit, and the ammo is not going to be restocked.
your on your own.
better read a book on how to trap and butcher an animal or how to grow crops and purify water
or you could just go to the government camp
post is fireeeee
and when everybodys wealth is wiped out guess who is going to be buying shit for pennies on the dollar?
and this time it is a GLOBAL DEPRESSION
get a water pruifier that doesnt rely on water pressure
power outages are coming in america
the grid is over taxed
and its planned
first its just going to be a few hours
then a few hours every day
hey no power, cuz we are the government we are declaring a national emergency, and we are declaring martial law temporarily and all you people will be begging yea! yes! martial law please do something
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Originally Posted by PALEHORSE
A water purifier like that is actually a good thing to have on hand regardless of all the future predictions you stated. A natural disaster usually puts things in perspective. I once went two straight weeks without power way back in the day because of a massive ice storm. Luckily myself, old man, relatives and family friends have experience pertaining to wilderness survival, hunting, growing crops on a small scale and building houses/shelter etc.
and for those super suburban families or project people that panic just thinking about living off the land.. good luck @ camp.
BUWHAAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAQuote:
Originally Posted by abanks47
When you use LOTS of WORDS with no POINT that's RELEVANT to this TOPIC. People will realize you are off your rocker.
I told you already "Your history should not determine how you treat people today".
and your argument is still "1st president owned slaves and that HURTS me SO MUCH, I cannot relate to my neighbors"
Correct me if Im wrong, but it sounds like in 4th of July on 1777 you wanted. Abolish Slavery, Reparations, Stop Persecuting Gays, Stop DOING ANYTHING YOU DIDN'T LIKE
your mind must be narrower than a needle
I will take a Buddhist approach to this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prolifical ENG
YING: If near-by Russia was willing to make friends than ya they should be patriotic. (Russia is responsible for the land and has rightfully been protecting it from "international harm". Maybe these isolated people should show a little respect? A little is all I would ask. It shouldn't be so hard to "care")
YANG: If near-by Russia was not willing to make friends than I could see a lot of "patriotism" shrink to a local level. YES. If you ONLY identify with ONLY your block and feel like it is your "Nation" (which is really really sad) you might be considered a Patriot. However, for the most part every citizen has been benefiting from the cooperation of their neighbors (ex: taxes from all citizens). And I hope they can open their eyes relating with people who are 95% like them, maybe 85%, maybe 50%. But All of which have the responsibility to participate in thier union
Do you care about the union your neighbors have? No. So Sad.... Stop taking from them and move to Siberia where you can trade sheep skins and finally Cooperate in a union with your neighbors. That would make a happier world(you) wouldn't it?
UC's guide to becoming a PAT
Step 1. Figure out which nation your supporting
Step 2. Support it in they way you feel is best for the people in it(A Country is NOTHING without its people thats why "the people" are who you should care, support, defend)
Who knows, some probably do show respect if they were respected. On the other hand there is Chechnya on the opposite end. I like Russia as an example...it has all spectrums of patriotism.Quote:
Originally Posted by UnequivocallyCorrect
I don't know if that was supposed to be directed at me but I don't think I've implied anything that suggests thats my stance but its far from it. There are some that might be happier trading skins in Siberia (if that's what they do) than where they currently are. Why they don't move there? Several reasons. Perhaps patriotism isnt the next life value after food clothing and shelter. Or maybe its how...they dont know how to move to Siberia, pitch a tent on some land and "try" to be accepted by the neighbors.Quote:
Originally Posted by UnequivocallyCorrect
Overall Im can be considered a patriot to my nation. I even added a Canadian flag to the WTC smilies a few weeks back. :can: Of course some use it jokingly and randomly because its there but nevertheless I put it in the database.
keep fire
You seem to be the only one having an issue with my standpoint. I don't have an issue with yours accept for you thinking people should leave there homes for not wanting to defend it. Me using more and more words is simply me trying to get my OPINION across to you so you can respect it but you seem to be on some other shit so fuck it.Quote:
Originally Posted by UnequivocallyCorrect
You cannot be more wrong with the above statement. My history does not affect how i treat people today, in any way shape or form (maybe a bit distrustful of cops but another topic). I never said I couldn't relate to my neighbors, in fact I took your comments and ran with them. I'm currently setting up a date where for one hour straight I will hug my neighbors, because that's what its all about right? I do not consider myself a patriot because of the current government and the lies it tells. Not the lies 400 years ago just to be clear the lies in the last decade.Quote:
Originally Posted by UnequivocallyCorrect
OK......YOUR FUCKING WRONG DUMB BITCH. Never said it so don't assume I did.Quote:
Originally Posted by UnequivocallyCorrect
Do you not see how some blacks don't consider 4th of July there independence day? when that day came into affect, it took nearly 100 years for them to become free. I think people are justified if they choose not to celebrate for the fact that there people were in chains when that day happened.
My mind is narrower than a needle? really....that's the best you can come up with. Thats just terrible. Good day to you sir.Quote:
Originally Posted by UnequivocallyCorrect
Abanks, the lack of "content" in your latest "responses" is getting out of hand.
SOMEHOW, you think Replying to my one-liner insults is worth anything. You should really ignore those if you want to make a point.
ITs time to show some respect to KTL.
I am sincere. I can tell there is nothing in your post except disagreements with me. These disagreements have boiled down to childish Jabs (Drunkn Monk thinks it's hott, but its becoming hollow in content)
Thus. I challenge you to argue an intelligent point.
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I want you to TRY TO CONVINCE ME my point is wrong. That's right. "CONVINCE ME". I have been trying to CONVINCE YOU and you do nothing to CONVINCE ME.
IF you change my mind. That's how you really "win". IF I AM TOO THICK-SKULLED TO ARGUE INTELLIGENTLY WU CORP WILL JUDGE ME.
I want to learn from your "passion" but I CANNOT DECIPHER YOUR SCATTER-SHOT POSTS.
--Sincerely, Confused in SF
It is directed at everyone to consider.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prolifical ENG
I SERIOUSLY disagree. On this simplified argument.Quote:
You: Perhaps patriotism isn't the next life value after food clothing and shelter.
If patriotism is the care of the fellow man. How could anyone see "that" as a low priority.
A child is wandering your streets (How fucking busy are you to HELP?!?!?!)
A woman is being attacked in the street (How fucking busy are you to HELP?!?!?!)
A man is bleeding on your doorstep (How fucking busy are you to HELP?!?!?!)
A starving family needs a loan till payday (How fucking busy are you to HELP?!?!?!)
That is why I have THE LOWEST opinion of non-patriots. THEY CANT EVEN RELATE TO THEIR NEIGHBORS. OTHERWISE THERE IS NO WAY THEY WOULD LET THOSE THINGS HAPPEN. NO WAY.
Looks like we are getting to extreme cases now.Quote:
Originally Posted by UnequivocallyCorrect
It depends how low it is. If its that high in the values, instead of relaxing on the weekend after a weeks work. Do you volunteer on the weekends to clean up the neighborhood? If you do then I think very highly of you. If you have a very low opinion of anyone who doesnt volunteer then theres another problem.
There are many people that see all 4 of those examples several times a week. If it happened on a rare occasion, even the less patriotic people will help.
You want me to draw a line on where "care" starts and stops. So I will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prolifical ENG
When someone is "attacked" and needs defense that is a clear time to act.
When there is a 7/11 cup and condoms littering your street, that is not a "major" priority. Im sure some dumb stuck-up bitch is crying.
But AS PATRIOTS, WE MUST BE ABLE TO THINK CRITICALLY ON WHEN SOMETHING IS IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO CARE SUPPORT AND DEFENSE of the people
Maybe next time we as citizens can stop throwing our whore condoms into the streets and put them in our pocket till we find a trash. (This action technically could be patriotic, but its a sad example when people's ability to figure out what is worth "caring, supporting, defending")
That's all. As long as the individual thinks they are honestly contributing. (Personally, I contribute in my own ways. BUT I DON'T NEED TO SHOVEL SOUP OR SUPPORT MY GOV TO BE A PATRIOT. ) Those two points are specific examples people will use to argue against the core of patriotism.
My universal NON-LITERAL definition....
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Patriotism is the individual's honest intention to contribute to their contemporary local union of support.
Thats true, it goes back to one of your earlier posts in this thread where you stated that many people are more patriotic than they think through those types of actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by UnequivocallyCorrect
I really think a Soup Kitchen worker can be patriotic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prolifical ENG
A man who pulls over to help someone with a flat can be patriotic.
Someone who drops stupid shit to keep the peace in the neighborhood can be Patriotic.
Someone who DOESN'T drop RELEVANT shit even if it means "not keeping the peace" can be Patriotic.
I knew a chick last year who was collecting Obama welfare checks.(when she had the work experience, educational background, and the looks to get a job ~ She was treating it like a vacation)
OMFG I had to set that non-patriotic bitch straight!
I see patriotism as something closely related to nationalism and I find them both to be archaic modes of thought. There is one earth, there is one human race. Anything I do to make this world or my spot here in Austin Texas better doesn't have anything to do with this country, it has to do with my humanity and my awareness of the human spirit. I would be this way no matter where I was at but here is where I happen to be.
preach
Who am I to attempt to change someones opinions, views or thoughts. If you want to think that way that's fine. I am not trying to convince you I just think that you should respect others opinions if they started out respecting yours. The only problem I have is your views on people leaving if they are not patriotic. You are proposing that a group of people, because they are different and have views that are not similar to yours, should leave the country. If you honestly do not see an issue there than you sir should be exiled. I feel that a country does not need to be patriotic in order for it to flourish.Quote:
Abanks, the lack of "content" in your latest "responses" is getting out of hand.
SOMEHOW, you think Replying to my one-liner insults is worth anything. You should really ignore those if you want to make a point.
ITs time to show some respect to KTL.
I am sincere. I can tell there is nothing in your post except disagreements with me. These disagreements have boiled down to childish Jabs (Drunkn Monk thinks it's hott, but its becoming hollow in content)
Thus. I challenge you to argue an intelligent point.
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I want you to TRY TO CONVINCE ME my point is wrong. That's right. "CONVINCE ME". I have been trying to CONVINCE YOU and you do nothing to CONVINCE ME.
IF you change my mind. That's how you really "win". IF I AM TOO THICK-SKULLED TO ARGUE INTELLIGENTLY WU CORP WILL JUDGE ME.
I want to learn from your "passion" but I CANNOT DECIPHER YOUR SCATTER-SHOT POSTS.
--Sincerely, Confused in SF
To put it simply, I am not a patriot. I do not do the things you state out of love for my country but out of love for my fellow people, regardless of there background, race, religion, or orientation. I'd do the shit if I was in another country, so why should I take on a title that would relate it to me loving my country more than another person.
If there were two men hanging from a cliff, one American and another Canadian, out of patriotic love would you feel obligated to save the American first?
I also don't see where the hate is coming from against my posts. You hate on my shit, I will return the favor. Plain and simple. It's all good no hard feelings and apologies for the late response.
Pretty much how I feel, probably should have read all the posts before responding.Quote:
I see patriotism as something closely related to nationalism and I find them both to be archaic modes of thought. There is one earth, there is one human race. Anything I do to make this world or my spot here in Austin Texas better doesn't have anything to do with this country, it has to do with my humanity and my awareness of the human spirit. I would be this way no matter where I was at but here is where I happen to be.
Very worldly of you Visionz,Quote:
Originally Posted by Visionz
I have a very similar thought and sometimes I feel like I can relate with someone in a third-world country more than I can relate with the typical American. When worst comes to worst the starving come first. I would rather donate money towards curving starvation verse over-funding a local school.
And my argument for maintaining my patriotism. "Investing in the people of the world is part of a long-term greater importance and thus higher a priority amongst your local community." Who is anyone to judge me when I think Investing in the poor of the world will have a greater impact than funding a local school beyond minimal necessity.
I honestly think my neighbors (and extended neighbors/country) would benefit from my concern of the worlds people. Thus my patriatism is still red,white,blue
why would you criticize if you aren't willing to continue the debate beyond that?Quote:
Originally Posted by abanks47
I bolded your text so you can see the hypocritical stance you take. Besides you disproving your own point I want to be clear "I think people who don't like where they live(and their neighbors) should leave because they will be happier somewhere else" So if you want to "disagree" with my point than look to the previous sentence on my ACTUAL stance. It also has NOTHING to do with thinking your neighborhood is better than another.Quote:
Originally Posted by abanks47
I'm not sure who these "PEOPLE" your help are. Because if their AMERICANS (because you rarely leave your small county) than I'm going to call you a patriot.Quote:
Originally Posted by abanks47
I know you think a patriot supports a nation. But I'm not sure what you think MAKES UP A NATION.
That is A TERRIBLE scenario of care,support,love of ones neighbor. Here's why....Quote:
Originally Posted by abanks47
EX: If the American is my Wife, and the Canadian is my Adopted Daughter(Don't I care,support,love both?) And I knew my Wife would sacrifice herself for our daughter (Don't I care,support,love my daughter?). But me and my daughter got her adoption papers and the medical examination said the young girl had cancer and would die in a few years.(Don't I care,support,love my wifer?)
Patriotism has no relevance in saving lives! That a sick nationalist. Almost racist understanding. I think only 2-3% of people share that point of view. Almost like your arguing a patriot thinks an American is worth more than a European. You CANT think that's what a true patriot thinks! is it?
Before you stopped PRESENTING A CONVINCING ALTERNATIVE OPINION. So I needed to poke the newest one out of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by abanks47