It's funny that you can't accept the Beasties as hip-Hop, but I'm sure all of the MCs you would cite as "real" would consider them Hip-Hop pioneers and legends.Quote:
Originally Posted by june181972
:lmao: @ "wannabes"
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It's funny that you can't accept the Beasties as hip-Hop, but I'm sure all of the MCs you would cite as "real" would consider them Hip-Hop pioneers and legends.Quote:
Originally Posted by june181972
:lmao: @ "wannabes"
One of you beastie boy fans educate me thenQuote:
Originally Posted by Punch
run down a list of collaborations they have done w/ some hot MCs
u won't see Wu on that list
Nas, 2Pac, Rakim, Kool G Rap, GangStarr, Boot Camp Clique, Scarface, D Block, EPMD, Big Daddy Kane etc
And don't take the route: "well you only like gangster rap"
De La Soul?
Tribe Called Quest?
Commom?
Mos Def?
Cats ain't feelin the beastie toys
hah get real boy.
Go listen to professor booty from check your head. check MCAs verse at the end. Its about one of the dudes from third base. Dude rips it.
they are just nasty, and unlike wu-tang, they havent put out a shitty album and never have done deorderent commericals or any of that other sell out garbage.
They've toured with Run DMC, Tribe, Talib, J5, house of Pain, LL Cool J, among others.
How many other rap groups do you know who put out their first album in 1986 are still putting out good music today?
Wrong. Yo, Q-Tip was on Ill Communication. You've been educated. ...and since when did collabo's make or break an artist?Quote:
Originally Posted by june181972
...and Biz Markie.
Obviously the Wu is better than the beastie boys. But don't you fuckin tell me what I do and do not know, especially when it comes to Curtis Mayfeild and R&B.Quote:
Originally Posted by june181972
It's not that it was just a sample that made it cool, they sampled it did not try to play it off as a "gangsta" tune. They used the beat for the music and not the connotation of the song.
Why you on RATM's dick, there an amazing band but not a part of this discussion, and if you wanna get into some R&B trivia i'd love to do it in another thread.
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Originally Posted by benzo
Thanx 4 the infoQuote:
...and Biz Markie
But certain cats stay doing songs w/ other rappers
because they like and respect each other's music
if its not two mega stars(or a mega star getting their coat tail rode) simply trying to make a platinum hit
a collab is a sign of mutual appreciation for each others music
most MCs don't even take the beastie boys seriously
that's fine and I respect your point but... i really think this colabo shit is playing itself out. how many guests were on Illmatic, like one. i think this "featuring so and so" is a fad of these times, man. when i buy and album and every other song has a "guest" emcee, it really takes away from whole concept to me. it's more label bullshit to pull in fans who might not have been onto A or B, but they heard the A+B single and so now they'll go back and check out A and/or B. Peace-
If thats true and they are not hip-hop than why are they in Krush Groove:Quote:
Originally Posted by june181972
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ush_Groove.jpg
The Source, 10.98
So we'll just call this case closed.Quote:
Raekwon: I like the Beastie Boys, them niggas is a-ight. They've been around for a minute with Run-DMC and all that; and I know they still know what's going on in hip-hop too. They on point.
Heltah Skeltah's Ruck: There's room in hip-hop for that champagne poppin', there's room for the hardcore and there's definitely room for the Beasties. We need variety in this shit. Plus Ad Rock's my nigga.
Ras Kass: I think they moved on to a new genre. They're incorporating alternative music; but they're still relevant in that they're taking their following into that field and broadening hip-hop.
Erick Sermon: Hell yeah, the Beastie Boys are still relevant to hip-hop today! They are on of the few groups still keepin' it real from way back. Even their new shit sounds like it used to be.
Luniz's Yukmouth:Hell yeah, they are still bringin' that shit! To everyday Black folk they're probably looked at as rock-n-roll, and they probably wouldn't buy their album, but they're still rappin' and still poppin'. They will always be pioneers.
John Forte: Oh, that' ridiculous. The Beastie Boys are pioneers in the game. They went against the grain and proved that they were three white guys who really have an appreciation for hip-hop. They didn't front like they was from the ghetto, they just came out and made good music. They're still in a class by themselves.
E-40: The Beasties have always been ahead of their time. They're real crafty with theirs. Their music has always come from a base of hip-hop. It's a different kind of hip-hop, but it's still influenced by the essence so it's relevant.
Wyclef Jean:If you into hip-hop, you gotta love the Beastie Boys. They held it down with Run-DMC and they're some talented musicians. They're relevant for even what I do, pickin' up a guitar and playin' it. I heard like four joints from the new album and I'm feelin' it. I'm a fan. They could do a horrible song and I'd still like it.
Schoolly D: The thing you gotta remember about hip-hop is if you go back to like Grandmaster Flash, Funky Four Plus One, those guys were in the studios with bands. The Beastie Boys came from a band, so they should be able to express hip-hop any way they want to.
B-Real:I definitely like the Beasties, always have. I think they can still appeal to everybody. I know a lot of hip-hop kids that like that record that I didn't think would. When I heard it I was like, Yo, they came with some shit.
DJ Premier: I copped the new album but I haven't heard it yet because we've been runnin' around so much. I know they came out with punk music first before hip-hop, so I ain't mad at them, 'cause that was their style to begin with. I'm still into 'em because I have a wide range of music that I like. I would love to work wit 'em. Word, I'd give 'em an ill joint. Maybe that'll happen some day.â
Flip Mode Squad's Lord Have Mercy: Anybody that comes and offers more freedom in the rap game is extremely important because not everybody is a player or a thug. If you are a real hip-hop fan, they got joints that still bang you in the head, B.
Funkmaster Flex: I think they weren't relevant for a minute. I think when they left Def Jam, people kinda started to think of them as not bein' hip-hop cause they were on another label; but sellin' records like they're doin' now shows that hip-hop kids are buying it too. I listened to the new album and I think it's their time again.
You cannot classify someone one as Hip-Hop:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Wizzard
A Culture Created by Economically Supressed Black & Latino Youth
just because they participated in some commercial production that supposedly represented that culture
besides, isn't it obvious that there isn't too much Russell Simmons would not do to make a buck
Good Lookin out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Punch
Why would the person or people asking the question are the Beastie Boys Hip-Hop (or whatever form the question was in) even have to ask it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Punch
No one would have to ask such a question about any of those people being quoted
Just because they "like" the beastie boys does not make them Hip-Hop
Just because they would want to sell them a beat does not make them Hip-Hop
beatsie boy are to Hip-Hop
what modern day rock-n-roll is to the blues
a watered down imitation
You and Drunken Wu Masta should get together, both you really don't know shit about shit even when truth is staring you in the face, they always do that stuff in the source, I saw them ask people if they like Gang Starr, does them having to ask about Gang Starr put them up in the air, cause I'm having trouble deciding if Gang Starr is hip-hop or not.
the question was, are they relevant to today's Hip-Hop audience. A question that can be asked about many Hip-Hop acts from their generation.Quote:
Originally Posted by june181972
and your analogy is lame.
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Originally Posted by The Wizzard
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They went against the grain and proved that they were three white guys who really have an appreciation for hip-hop.
These quotes only show that certain people "like" the beastie boysQuote:
I think they moved on to a new genre They're incorporating alternative music; but they are still relevant in that they're taking their following into that field and broadening hip-hop.
They even have to qualify there remarks when it come to them being hip-hop
Ain't nobody even gonna think about asking the question if GangStarr "is hip-hop"
really?Quote:
Originally Posted by june181972
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Heltah Skeltah's Ruck: There's room in hip-hop for that champagne poppin', there's room for the hardcore and there's definitely room for the Beasties. We need variety in this shit.
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E-40: It's a different kind of hip-hop, but it's still influenced by the essence so it's relevant.
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Wyclef Jean:If you into hip-hop, you gotta love the Beastie Boys
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Flip Mode Squad's Lord Have Mercy: Anybody that comes and offers more freedom in the rap game is extremely important because not everybody is a player or a thug. If you are a real hip-hop fan, they got joints that still bang you in the head, B.
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Erick Sermon: Hell yeah, the Beastie Boys are still relevant to hip-hop today! They are on of the few groups still keepin' it real from way back. Even their new shit sounds like it used to be.
Is Outkast Hip-Hop?Quote:
Originally Posted by june181972
pissing contest
wasnt sayin there as good as wu, but theyre a ip hop group just like the beastiesQuote:
Originally Posted by june181972
ps 3rd bass are the best white rappers/group of all
the point im makin is all hip hop contains elements of other genres, just because the beasties had some instrumental songs doesnt make them less hip hop
and licensed to ill is classic, idk why people (even the beasties themselves!) diss it so much
explainQuote:
Originally Posted by benzo
Wyclef walks around w/ a guitar like he's Hendrix or Clapton or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Punch
But all his songs are samples, he can't be taken seriously (IMO)
He makes a lot of stuff that I would not call hip-hop
Outkast is only hip-hop when they're not doing that "other stuff" like Hey-Ya and what not.
These people being quoted can have love for the beastie boys as
"pioneers"(I would not use this word)
But if they are "pioneers" name me a rapper that patterned their style after the beastie boys'
What MC did their style influence?
If they're so important to hip-hop
^^^hmmm
they didnt influence a lot of rappers, probably just art rock types in the 90s
Hey Ya, while technically not Hip-Hop, is a song by Outkast, who are a Hip-Hop groupQuote:
Originally Posted by june181972
So pioneers are only pioneers if Mcs rap in their styles? That's new to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by june181972
What mcs rap like Run DMC? Kool Moe Dee?
They are pioneers because they showed that Hip-Hop is universal, and helped rap gain popularity in its early days. 3rd Bass, Eminem and every other white rapper owes them(and has given them) gratitude.
Kool Moe Dee influenced Chuck D, lyrical content and flow
run dmc have always been mediocre MCs, commercialized and packaged with dreams of getting burn on MTV (IMO)
I never heard anyone say "that dude run" or "that dude dmc is nice as hell on the mic"
Have you?
They never influenced anyone's style
They are put on a pedastle, like beastie boys, because of rite place rite time.
"Immitation is the best form of flattery"
WHAT!Quote:
Originally Posted by Punch
3rd Bass dont owe the beasties shit!
they were freestylin real shit before the beasties even put their guitars down
and pete nice and mc serch are better than any member of the beasties, they represented the real while the beasties were on some pop shit, beasties are still dope, but 'fight for your right....' is like the biggest piece of shit ever
3rd bass are GOATS also i dont think 3rd bass ever gave the beasties gratitude, check 'sons of 3rd bass'
basically ad rock aint fit to clean petes cane
you missed the point of the postQuote:
Originally Posted by Drunken Wu Masta
oh yeah?
what was your point then?
so now you're saying Run DMC aren't pioneers either?Quote:
Originally Posted by june181972
That 3rd Bass, being white, benefitted from the Beastie Boys being so popular. They did not have to prove that whites had a place in a Hip-Hop group, that was already done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drunken Wu Masta
but you said they owe the beasties gratitude
they didnt, they were makin real hip hop, they earned their own respect within the black/hip hop community through being able to spit real shit, not because the beasties had made white rappers the new fad, they were separate from all that
To me, being a pioneer and being a great MC will not always go hand in handQuote:
Originally Posted by Punch
Has history and commercial success made run dmc pioneers? Of course
Are they hot MCs? Not by a long shot
No one said anything about a fad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drunken Wu Masta
Besides a fad would mean there were a bunch of white rappers running around, which wasn't the case.
It's simple.It was easier for 3rd Bass to become popular because there was already a popular group of white rappers. Understand?
ummm That's exactly what I'm saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by june181972
You don't need to like the group, just appreciate their contributions.
Why don't we hold this discussion until after The VH1 Hip-Hop Honors.
Honoring:
Eazy-E
Ice Cube
Afrika Bambaataa
Russell Simmons
MC Lyte
Rakim
Beastie Boys
Wu-Tang Clan
Not that they're an authority, but they will be able to put things in a better perspective.
you implied it was a fad, i dont think the cats who copped licensed to ill copped the cactus album as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by Punch
"It was easier for 3rd Bass to become popular because there was already a popular group of white rappers"
i understand...but thats not what you said, stop trying to twist your own words
that dont really make sense anyway, cos it wasnt the same demographic that copped the cactus album, the beasties were pop, they sold a LOT of records, i doubt 3rd bass sold half of what public enemy did at the time
3rd bass werent popular, they were underground, especially for def jam at the time, only cats that copped their album was real hip hop heads, they had a little crossover success dissing vanilla ice a few years later, but that was it.
the beasties and 3rd bass make entirely different hip hop records
beasties sold to whites
3rd bass sold to blacks as well (but this meant they were underground because the kind of shit they said on their records was political/social not about drinking/partying like the beasties usd to be)
as i said before 3rd bass dont owe the beasties shit, they were the first group to be accepted as a legitimate white rap group, beasties to most at the time were a pop fad, hence the beasties disowning 'licensed to ill' years later
and 3rd bass didnt get many record sales extra because of beastie boys fans
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Originally Posted by Punch
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Originally Posted by Punch
I didn't twist anything you just didn't understand what i said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drunken Wu Masta
The Beastie Boys were a pop? what is pop about Paul's Boutique? Hello Nasty? Those are progressive records. They were popular, but not by design.
The fact still remains that The Beasties paved the way for 3rd Bass. Anyone with any sense will see that.
i did understand read my post againQuote:
Originally Posted by Punch
'licensed to ill' was a pop record, at the same time 3rd bass were raw
peace
Licensed to Ill - 1986Quote:
Originally Posted by Drunken Wu Masta
Paul's Boutique -1989
The Cactus Album-1989
As reported in many interviews, MC Serch at one point tried (unsuccessfully) to join the Beastie Boys.
I don't appreciate wack rappers no matter how "successful" they areQuote:
Originally Posted by Punch
That's a betQuote:
Originally Posted by Punch
PEACE!!!
peace
Damn I missed alot, you guys coverd alot too, damn. I think we should wait till The Vh1 Honors to continue this discussion, does anyone know when it is?
yeah but pauls boutique was a faggoty recordQuote:
Originally Posted by Punch
paul's boutique is the matrix to so many albums....