Can anybody explain the 'blackman is god' religion to me?

This is the way I see it.

The whole 5% is a parody of original Islam (the same could be said of the noi).

English Dictionary, for example, defines parody as imitation "turned as to produce a ridiculous effect".


Similar (arabic) words are used, but the meanings are twisted to mean something else. For example, Islam is the name of a peaceful harmonious way of living life. This word has been twisted to be an acronym of I self lord and master. This is absolutely ridiculous because there are many verses in the Quran that state that man is not the supreme being and does not compare to the supreme being.

Allah is another word that has been twisted from it's original meaning. It simply means the supreme being. But it has been twisted to mean Arm leg leg arm head. Again, by this technique, man is implied as being god - this is not what the word means in Arabic.

There are more examples - too many to show here. 5% is a cheap counterfeit synthetic version of Islam.

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that's Peace

i would say that Islam didn't start with Adam for the planet that adam was made on was in submission to Allah before adam came to be -

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Exactely ! as everything is now and since forever (trees, animals etc...)

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the words in it may have not been changed, but it does confirm the book that came before it - and that book that it confirms is viewed as being corrupted by many muslims - i would assume that it was tampered with before the Quaran came to be -

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Co sign again, muslims think that's part of the divine plan and the caracteristics of the human nature ; each time a civilization loose the way a prophet is sent to remind them since Noah and Lott and "recently" with Jesus when the Torah was tempered (and the talmud written by the priests of Babylon) and Muhammad when the bible had been corrupted too (more than 20 Bibles before the vatican decide to chose 4 of them).

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but how can you be so sure about this ?

Good Build

Peace yo

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As Jesus was reviving the dead and Moses could transform a wood stick into a serpent and split the sea, the miracle of Muhammad was the Quran ; that book grammatically perfectly written (As I read it in arabic I feeel like it has been written by an incredibely talented MC, 2000000 times better than RZA, Jay-z, Em and BIG combined with la creme de la creme of the lyricists you know, fo real not a single mistake in tempo and rhymes!!!!), wich is destined to all mankind* and that will never be altered (theres only one unique version of it). It is the final message of god to humanity and according to it they'll be judged the day of judgement.

That book is confusing more than one "hater" and is takin more and more sens as the science progresses because alot of things that were not understandable back in the day are explained with the science of today (the different types of clouds and their composition, the salty and soft water in the deap oceans, the composition of the foetus in the womb, theh theory wich has been confirmed lately that says that iron is a material wich is not from our planet, it fell from the sky through comets etc etc etc...) so all these things were known by muslims (without beign fully understood) 1400 years ago.

*not like the jewish religion wich is a religion for a certain race (now that I think about it the 5%ers too) Islam is sent to the human race in its globality.

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Originally Posted by Hellspawn

I understand the different point of views.

Thanx for the explanation. I already knew theres a huge difference between the three.

I assume the answer of my question is YES (or ???).

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you 'assume' correctly Mr condescending lol

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Originally Posted by DiGitalChamberz

you 'assume' correctly Mr condescending lol

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:) Sorry if that's the impression I gave you, it's more because that english isnt my mother llanguage so my speech can seem too direct and crude. I dont pretend knowing alot and still try to learn to understand people's angles of view, like you explained it so well.

trust me its all good brother im not sensitive at all when it comes to this..

i am a student of life just like you..

but there is a reason why the NGE utilize words like Allah & Islam, and why Islam is practiced as a science & not a religion..

these discussions can get heated and off topic sometimes to the point where we do nothing but exhaust our wisdom. so i try to keep it simple and look listen and observe WITH RESPECT.
anyone who knows anything knows he knows nothing.. but lets keep building an adding on.

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Originally Posted by FMJ

This is the way I see it.

The whole 5% is a parody of original Islam (the same could be said of the noi).

English Dictionary, for example, defines parody as imitation "turned as to produce a ridiculous effect".


Similar (arabic) words are used, but the meanings are twisted to mean something else. For example, Islam is the name of a peaceful harmonious way of living life. This word has been twisted to be an acronym of I self lord and master. This is absolutely ridiculous because there are many verses in the Quran that state that man is not the supreme being and does not compare to the supreme being.

Allah is another word that has been twisted from it's original meaning. It simply means the supreme being. But it has been twisted to mean Arm leg leg arm head. Again, by this technique, man is implied as being god - this is not what the word means in Arabic.

There are more examples - too many to show here. 5% is a cheap counterfeit synthetic version of Islam.

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i can understand why you see it this way - and there are others who view it this way and have influenced others to view it this way -

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but there is a reason why the NGE utilize words like Allah & Islam, and why Islam is practiced as a science & not a religion...

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I'm sure you do have a reason, but it undermines the true meaning of things.

the meanings


it's all about who is doing the work / the reforming / the gathering

you may not like the definitions we give, but the outcome cannot be denied by the wide and awake man

It's not so much the definitions, but using somebody elses format and attaching foreign definitions to it. Disagreements follow.

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It's not so much the definitions, but using somebody elses format and attaching foreign definitions to it. Disagreements follow.

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somebody elses format ?

whose format is Islam ?




and again


how was Islam practiced and recognized before Muhammad and the Quaran ?

and didn't the religion of Islam do the same thing you are saying we are doing ?

is not the Quaran a confirmation of the book before it ?

stories of jesus mary and moses in the quaran, must of stirred up the people who were into the bible heavy back then

its like ' "they're taking our religion and perverting it"

the Black man was the 1st person to walk the Earth and if all other human life stems from him, can the Black man be considered the God of Humanity?

The entire thing is crap. The first humans were dark skinned. That's about where the facts end and the CULT begins.

The Nation of Islam is a counter Hate Group. They aren't against hatred, they seek to counter act White prejudice with black prejudice. This achieves nothing. It's also a cult dedicated to a White Man who they claim to be the incarnation of Allah even though they preach that White People are devils...

The Nation of Gods and Earths is a side movement along the same course. It's slightly less ridiculous, but still has a lot of strange ideology that belongs in the same category as Scientology.

The Nation of Islam is a scam the same way Scientology is a scam. Even Malcolm X who I would argue is one of the smartest idiots in history left for actual Islam.

Look I'm not in love with the whole Arabic Traditions and Muslim practices that make up the society of the middle east, but I can at least accept that Mohammad was an important historical figure even if I don't really think he spoke to the Angel Gabriel. At least Islam is as legitimate as Christianity and Buddhism and such. The NOI and NGE are not on that same imagined footing. They're just ideologies of the ignorant.

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The entire thing is crap. The first humans were dark skinned. That's about where the facts end and the CULT begins.

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how does that make you feel ?

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The Nation of Islam is a counter Hate Group. They aren't against hatred, they seek to counter act White prejudice with black prejudice.

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there is NOTHING to PRE judge - judgment is passed cause the actions make a monstrous sound

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This achieves nothing. It's also a cult dedicated to a White Man who they claim to be the incarnation of Allah even though they preach that White People are devils...

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it's funny that you see us this way - if you knew the truth of the matter, you'd shit your pants

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The Nation of Gods and Earths is a side movement along the same course. It's slightly less ridiculous, but still has a lot of strange ideology that belongs in the same category as Scientology.

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it's funny that you see us this way - if you knew the truth of the matter, you'd shit your pants

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The Nation of Islam is a scam the same way Scientology is a scam. Even Malcolm X who I would argue is one of the smartest idiots in history left for actual Islam.

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is this coming from a young white male who has done his homework on the subject ?

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Look I'm not in love with the whole Arabic Traditions and Muslim practices that make up the society of the middle east, but I can at least accept that Mohammad was an important historical figure even if I don't really think he spoke to the Angel Gabriel. At least Islam is as legitimate as Christianity and Buddhism and such. The NOI and NGE are not on that same imagined footing. They're just ideologies of the ignorant.

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the beliefs of the traditional religions you just named have some very strange unbelievable beliefs - way stranger than anything that NOI/NGE is spittin - but to you, these are legit - hey - you stated your Opinion on 2 groups who have targeted white supremacy - i can see where you'd have a problem with us

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the Black man was the 1st person to walk the Earth and if all other human life stems from him, can the Black man be considered the God of Humanity?

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^ this wasn't a rhetorical question

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how does that make you feel ?

A lil upset I'll be honest.


there is NOTHING to PRE judge - judgment is passed cause the actions make a monstrous sound

Ok, then I'll say that they judge all whites by the same ignorant standards as a few idiots in the white community (or a lot of idiots in the white community to be fair) judge african americans.



it's funny that you see us this way - if you knew the truth of the matter, you'd shit your pants

If I knew the truth. I know that the Nation thinks a white man or a black man with white skin or what have you was the physical incarnation of the almighty entity that is Allah. They don't say that every man is a physical incarnation of Allah, that would be too gnostic and real. They say that one arab and thus white, man was God.


it's funny that you see us this way - if you knew the truth of the matter, you'd shit your pants


if I ever post a fictional religion I invent I'm sure it would make more sense...



is this coming from a young white male who has done his homework on the subject ?

I just did a decent essay and project on Malcolm X. I think He was a very smart idiot. I've already said that.


the beliefs of the traditional religions you just named have some very strange unbelievable beliefs - way stranger than anything that NOI/NGE is spittin - but to you, these are legit - hey - you stated your Opinion on 2 groups who have targeted white supremacy - i can see where you'd have a problem with us

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They are strange. Just as strange, but they're ancient and large groups follow them. This is how one rates the legitimacy of a religion, not by any personal opinions. You use their beliefs to determine veracity, not legitimacy.

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A lil upset I'll be honest.

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this clouds your judgment

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Ok, then I'll say that they judge all whites by the same ignorant standards as a few idiots in the white community (or a lot of idiots in the white community to be fair) judge african americans.

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it's not the same because white america made sure to not make it equal - we explain why we say what we sayand we have very good reason for saying what we say -

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If I knew the truth. I know that the Nation thinks a white man or a black man with white skin or what have you was the physical incarnation of the almighty entity that is Allah. They don't say that every man is a physical incarnation of Allah, that would be too gnostic and real. They say that one arab and thus white, man was God.

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Who is the Original Man ?

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if I ever post a fictional religion I invent I'm sure it would make more sense...

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it might make more sense, but at the root, it is fictional -
what we have, DOES NOT MAKE SENSE, to the average drone, but it is very real

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I just did a decent essay and project on Malcolm X. I think He was a very smart idiot. I've already said that.

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this is another way for saying that he was smart for a nigger

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They are strange. Just as strange, but they're ancient and large groups follow them. This is how one rates the legitimacy of a religion, not by any personal opinions. You use their beliefs to determine veracity, not legitimacy.

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whatever - you obviously have a problem with black people lol - you trying to describe a group of people who are dedicated to uplifting their own then the world is comical - you DO NOT have enough of an understanding to be considered as the one to go to for NOI knowledge and history

Has the NOI proved effective in attaining it's goals?

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Has the NOI proved effective in attaining it's goals?

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lol

very

we're all here building on WuTang Corp

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Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS

somebody elses format ?

whose format is Islam ?

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This question is irrelevant to what the thread is about.

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and again


how was Islam practiced and recognized before Muhammad and the Quaran?

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Why do you ask this?

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and didn't the religion of Islam do the same thing you are saying we are doing ??

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No. Islam did not take words, twist their meanings, and attribute the names of the supreme being to man.

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is not the Quaran a confirmation of the book before it?

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What are you getting at?

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stories of jesus mary and moses in the quaran, must of stirred up the people who were into the bible heavy back then

its like ' "they're taking our religion and perverting it"

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No. Those stories are universal. They main point of the story got around to many peoples and it's overal message was not perverted.

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this clouds your judgment


No it doesn't it sharpens my judgement. My judgement is based on my ability to observe and understand. Not liking what I see doesn't limit my ability to see. It just means I'm more likely to be biased against it then biased for it, not that a bias must exist.



it's not the same because white america made sure to not make it equal - we explain why we say what we sayand we have very good reason for saying what we say -


Black people are equal and it's a racial inferiority complex that keeps you down. That inferiority complex is the fault of the events of slavery. I'm just curious why in other countries throughout history slaves didn't have that same inferiority complex centuries afterward. Maybe it's that American slavery was that much worse, but I still find it bizarre.




Who is the Original Man ?


The Asiatic (Eastern) Black man... Which means an East African. Which is correct I think we came into being in Africa. And let's say his name was Adam. Adam the Asiatic Black Man. No problem there. I fully believe that mankind is natural black skinned and that the other races are adaptations, neither superior or inferior, simply more adept in their climate.




it might make more sense, but at the root, it is fictional -
what we have, DOES NOT MAKE SENSE, to the average drone, but it is very real


no, all religions are at the root by and large fictional or at least can be presumed by the evidence to be by and large fictional, the question is how much truth can we find about how we think in them, not how much truth there is in their accounts




this is another way for saying that he was smart for a nigger



It's another way of saying he had a bright future, but got mixed up with the wrong crowd and they killed him before he was able to do anything important. He was a powerful speaker, an intellectual, and I honestly like him when I hear him speak, but he was preaching nonsense and when he finally started breaking out of the shell of the doctrine they gunned him down in front of 400 people.




whatever - you obviously have a problem with black people lol - you trying to describe a group of people who are dedicated to uplifting their own then the world is comical - you DO NOT have enough of an understanding to be considered as the one to go to for NOI knowledge and history

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Why do we have to be uplifting our own? Why can't we all uplift each other? I don't have a problem with black people, I have a problem with the system you support. It's like how the News keeps saying how the Tea Party Movement are all racists. That's not true. There are a lot of racists in the Tea Party Movement sure. Of course there would be. There are always racists in everything. (On whatever it's name is, the Nazi forum something Storm Front or other they were discussing how they could hijack the movement...) But when you have a middle upper class white movement in this country it's suddenly shocking because that's the "majority" being incomplacent. It's amazing that a segment of blacks are so damaged that they see any disagreement as a sign of racist intent.

If I call you an Idiot it's not because you're black it's because you're not being reasonable. The racism is coming because we've got a culture perpetuating negative stereotypes and a false notion we're separate species or something. It's totally insane and it bugs me that I look at black people as black people instead of people like I do when I see white people. I am subconsciously classifying them as something different because our culture told me to. But that doesn't mean I think of them as lesser. Just that I see them as different. But because we see a difference it's not so hard to think that.

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This question is irrelevant to what the thread is about.






Why do you ask this?



No. Islam did not take words, twist their meanings, and attribute the names of the supreme being to man.





What are you getting at?



No. Those stories are universal. They main point of the story got around to many peoples and it's overal message was not perverted.

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lol yeah ok man

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The entire thing is crap. The first humans were dark skinned. That's about where the facts end and the CULT begins.

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how does that make you feel ?

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No it doesn't it sharpens my judgement. My judgement is based on my ability to observe and understand. Not liking what I see doesn't limit my ability to see. It just means I'm more likely to be biased against it then biased for it, not that a bias must exist.

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you not liking what you see may cause you to disregard truth coming from what you don't like looking at

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Black people are equal and it's a racial inferiority complex that keeps you down.

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are you saying that i deeply believe that white people are superior to me ?

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That inferiority complex is the fault of the events of slavery. I'm just curious why in other countries throughout history slaves didn't have that same inferiority complex centuries afterward. Maybe it's that American slavery was that much worse, but I still find it bizarre.

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your curiosity, if sincere, will lead you to answers




Who is the Original Man ?

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The Asiatic (Eastern) Black man... Which means an East African. Which is correct I think we came into being in Africa. And let's say his name was Adam. Adam the Asiatic Black Man. No problem there. I fully believe that mankind is natural black skinned and that the other races are adaptations, neither superior or inferior, simply more adept in their climate.

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wrong

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no, all religions are at the root by and large fictional or at least can be presumed by the evidence to be by and large fictional, the question is how much truth can we find about how we think in them, not how much truth there is in their accounts

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and your suddenly made up religion would fit in line with those



we are not a religion




this is another way for saying that he was smart for a nigger

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It's another way of saying he had a bright future, but got mixed up with the wrong crowd and they killed him before he was able to do anything important. He was a powerful speaker, an intellectual, and I honestly like him when I hear him speak, but he was preaching nonsense and when he finally started breaking out of the shell of the doctrine they gunned him down in front of 400 people.

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he was one of us

when he spoke we felt his pain


you don't


this is why you consider him an idiot

you are from the other side
not cause your white

because you just are

and nothing i say can alter your road



what the movie "2 Turntables and a Mic"


there are allot of things i can say about the murder based of the very limited knowledge i have of him - i was a fan - but after listening to his family speak about the situation, there is so much more i don't know - image me in that movie speaking about the situation in the face of those who know whats up

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Why do we have to be uplifting our own? Why can't we all uplift each other?

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because that's not a reality

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I don't have a problem with black people,

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yes you do

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I have a problem with the system you support.

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there's a system that i'm supporting ?

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It's like how the News keeps saying how the Tea Party Movement are all racists. That's not true.

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not once in my life have i turned on the news i heard them talking about the tea party

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There are a lot of racists in the Tea Party Movement sure. Of course there would be. There are always racists in everything. (On whatever it's name is, the Nazi forum something Storm Front or other they were discussing how they could hijack the movement...) But when you have a middle upper class white movement in this country it's suddenly shocking because that's the "majority" being incomplacent.

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huh ?

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It's amazing that a segment of blacks are so damaged that they see any disagreement as a sign of racist intent.

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that's how it is - a white man can't have a bad day around black peoples without us labeling him a racist - lol - i'm like paul mooney - that shit is funny to me - but since i know this, i watch my steps and my out look - when i can - but you clearly got a problem with black folk -

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If I call you an Idiot it's not because you're black it's because you're not being reasonable.

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that's what you'd tell yourself to convince yourself that you are not a racist while you're out front

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The racism is coming because we've got a culture perpetuating negative stereotypes and a false notion we're separate species or something. It's totally insane and it bugs me that I look at black people as black people instead of people like I do when I see white people. I am subconsciously classifying them as something different because our culture told me to. But that doesn't mean I think of them as lesser. Just that I see them as different. But because we see a difference it's not so hard to think that.

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because there are obvious differences - lieing to yourself about that will not make the situation better - it is what it is - it's been beyond a race thing - but some of humanity are slow learners, so we throw tomatoes under their feet

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The first humans were dark skinned.

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Based on what exactly?

@ Sunny : Malcolm X was the man who made the greatest impact on the dialogue between the races in the USA and he was muslim (the teachings of islam guided him into that peaceful way to solve problems), he influenced Muhammad Ali and Kareem Abdul Jabbar. Do you think the great Ali, one of the smartest figures of the century who had these great positions, not enough smart to follow the truth ?

Alot of 5%ers embraces Islam once they study it (through the 5% teachings) but never heard about a muslim turnin into a 5%er. Islam is universal and encourage people to open themselves to others, while the 5% ideology is sectarian and tend more to close and keep people between themselves.

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@ Sunny : Malcolm X was the man who made the greatest impact on the dialogue between the races in the USA and he was muslim (the teachings of islam guided him into that peaceful way to solve problems), he influenced Muhammad Ali and Kareem Abdul Jabbar. Do you think the great Ali, one of the smartest figures of the century who had these great positions, not enough smart to follow the truth ?

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Malcolm X was the man that Elijah Muhammad cleaned up, stood up,and instructed to deliver the greatest impact on the dialogue between the races in the USA - his anger and disappointment lead him astray and he then made poor choices


Muhammad Ali was a Great Minister in the NOI - he became great when he joined the NOI - shook the world, made poor choices later on and went astray -


i know what a person who has left the ranks and went astray looks and sounds like - the person going astray usually doesn't realize how far they fell, and outsiders (like yourself) usually has no idea of what to look and listen for

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Alot of 5%ers embraces Islam once they study it (through the 5% teachings) but never heard about a muslim turnin into a 5%er.

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there is one i know who decided to join the church
people make choices - Islam is the fastest growing religion in this world because of US - you ever think about that ?
the NOI and NGE make the Islam you speak of popular - Hip Hop in the states have made Islam popular all over the world - you will never ever convince me otherwise with your words - i've been in this too long

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Islam is universal and encourage people to open themselves to others,

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open the flood gates then
so open, that american soldiers are on the holy land right now fuckin it up
that's how wide and open it is - had yall known the true shaytan, yall wouldn't have openly let him in

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while the 5% ideology is sectarian and tend more to close and keep people between themselves.

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we have to heal ourselves - everyone we went to and go to, shits on us - no one came to help the black man in america - yall came to america and made money at the same time poisoning us - the Muslims that follow the Islam you speak of come to america and sell out - because they have no idea of who the real shaytan is - you keep looking for a bad energy midst, while the true and living devil is stomping all over the holy land - you feel strongly about your belief though - so what we don't accept everyone into our home -

This is why we can't have intelligent debate in the KTL.

You're in what amounts to a cult. Everyone else knows it's not legit and you won't listen.

Thus nothing anyone says will work for you.

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This is why we can't have intelligent debate in the KTL.

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there are many good debates going on

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You're in what amounts to a cult. Everyone else knows it's not legit and you won't listen.

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the people you speak of never been to a Mosque in their life, they don't know any NOI members, most are white and would have a problem with Student Enrollment Answer # 1

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Thus nothing anyone says will work for you.

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are you saying that instead of listening to and following the instructions of Minister Farrakhan, who is known and respected around this globe, who has a track record for cleaning us up and making us productive people...etc....
i should listen to and follow TheBoarzHeadBoy - and since i refuse to accept what TheBoarzHeadBoy is saying, debates in KTL don't work -

it won't work for me why ?

if i say fuck the NOI and i start listening to TheBoarzHeadBoy, then it'll work for me huh ?

maybe me telling you that the NOI is not all i have will help you to see me as not being limited to the NOI

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are you saying that instead of listening to and following the instructions of Minister Farrakhan, who is known and respected around this globe, who has a track record for cleaning us up and making us productive people...etc....
i should listen to and follow TheBoarzHeadBoy -

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Based on what exactly?

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^ would anyone like me to find the science on this and post it?

who else has heard of Professor Leakey?

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@ Sunny : Malcolm X was the man who made the greatest impact on the dialogue between the races in the USA and he was muslim (the teachings of islam guided him into that peaceful way to solve problems), he influenced Muhammad Ali and Kareem Abdul Jabbar. Do you think the great Ali, one of the smartest figures of the century who had these great positions, not enough smart to follow the truth ?

Alot of 5%ers embraces Islam once they study it (through the 5% teachings) but never heard about a muslim turnin into a 5%er. Islam is universal and encourage people to open themselves to others, while the 5% ideology is sectarian and tend more to close and keep people between themselves.

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Peace Hellspawn, I feel what you are saying. There is sum truth to your last comment. But, I would encourage you to go to Harlem and visit the NGE Allah's Universal Development Center and have this dialogue with some of the Gods & Earths there, you might have a very good understanding of things after a good mind to mind discussion where your views of 5% sectarianism are concerned.

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word this one had me dying too

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there are many good debates going on

Good and intelligent are different. There's plenty of good debate, and very limited amounts of intelligent debate. But I'll concede I'd rather have a fun debate then a smart one.

the people you speak of never been to a Mosque in their life, they don't know any NOI members, most are white and would have a problem with Student Enrollment Answer # 1


BUT IT'S NOT A REAL MOSQUE... That's like calling a Scientology building a legit Temple... or saying the Branch Davidian compound is a church or something.


are you saying that instead of listening to and following the instructions of Minister Farrakhan, who is known and respected around this globe, who has a track record for cleaning us up and making us productive people...etc....
i should listen to and follow TheBoarzHeadBoy - and since i refuse to accept what TheBoarzHeadBoy is saying, debates in KTL don't work -

it won't work for me why ?

if i say fuck the NOI and i start listening to TheBoarzHeadBoy, then it'll work for me huh ?

maybe me telling you that the NOI is not all i have will help you to see me as not being limited to the NOI

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By why have them at all? Why not just say I'm a proud African American Muslim. That's like the most legit thing. I can't knock someone for being black and I can't knock them for Islam because it's on the same level of respect as Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc. But the NOI seems pretty shady.

But you should listen to me once I publish my religious guide. I'll be making LR Hubbard money and building Temples on every block.

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But the NOI seems pretty shady.

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but we ain't did shit to you

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But you should listen to me once I publish my religious guide. I'll be making LR Hubbard money and building Temples on every block.

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do your thing yo


people said that jesus was shady and accused him of working for the devil

muhammad was looked at as a blasphemer by christians no ?

nat turner was considered a criminal and they killed him

ghandi had enemies

shit

bob marley had enemies, he got shot - why would anyone wanna shoot bob marley ?

cause people are stupid that's why

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there is one i know who decided to join the church
people make choices - Islam is the fastest growing religion in this world because of US - you ever think about that ?
the NOI and NGE make the Islam you speak of popular - Hip Hop in the states have made Islam popular all over the world - you will never ever convince me otherwise with your words - i've been in this too long

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I feel you. I could tell a story on how I came to Islam. It was a long journey and not a simple one. It started years before officially taking the shahadah and joining traditional Islam. Malcolm played a role in this.

hahahahah.

Yes, noi, 5%, etc. plays major roles in introducing people to Islamic terminology and concepts. Rappers play a big role.

i think - God left truth everywhere so that no matter who you are or where you come from, or who introduced you to it there was a way to get to him. All praises due.

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i think - God left truth everywhere so that no matter who you are or where you come from, or who introduced you to it there was a way to get to him. All praises due.

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I saw that in my life and others, so I think you got it right. Not only is the truth with people, but in all forms of creation.

You're right - all praises due to the supreme being.

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Malcolm X was the man that Elijah Muhammad cleaned up, stood up,and instructed to deliver the greatest impact on the dialogue between the races in the USA - his anger and disappointment lead him astray and he then made poor choices

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Either way he left a huge trace in this world and I don't see what are the poor choices, is it because he left Elijah when he discovered the truth ?

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Muhammad Ali was a Great Minister in the NOI - he became great when he joined the NOI - shook the world, made poor choices later on and went astray -

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Same as above.

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i know what a person who has left the ranks and went astray looks and sounds like - the person going astray usually doesn't realize how far they fell, and outsiders (like yourself) usually has no idea of what to look and listen for

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That would be your own angle to look at the picture. I can say the same about you (in the opposite sens :)).

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there is one i know who decided to join the church
people make choices - Islam is the fastest growing religion in this world because of US - you ever think about that ?
the NOI and NGE make the Islam you speak of popular - Hip Hop in the states have made Islam popular all over the world - you will never ever convince me otherwise with your words - i've been in this too long

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Nobody said this isnt true, but not totally. Hiphop contributed to make Islam popular but in the wrong way, they deface it and practice their own Islam in the sens that they drink, fuck, smoke, shoot people, lie and dont make prayers etc.... So they're only muslims by the name :)

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open the flood gates then
so open, that american soldiers are on the holy land right now fuckin it up
that's how wide and open it is - had yall known the true shaytan, yall wouldn't have openly let him in

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I didnt said muslims are perfect beigns, there's corrupted ones like every where. Humans are feeble and they fell into the traps of the shytan even if they're muslims. But you can't close ya doors because if you stop tellin the truth then the lie become the truth, that's a risk and you have to accept every one (especially because god tell us so). On the other hand, we have to bring a maximum of people because -as you know- it's a constent battle against the sytan (in general not the US).

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we have to heal ourselves - everyone we went to and go to, shits on us - no one came to help the black man in america - yall came to america and made money at the same time poisoning us - the Muslims that follow the Islam you speak of come to america and sell out - because they have no idea of who the real shaytan is - you keep looking for a bad energy midst, while the true and living devil is stomping all over the holy land - you feel strongly about your belief though - so what we don't accept everyone into our home -

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As I told you before muslims are humans and not exempted from errors, there's corrupted muslims and evil muslims too. Every one can use his religion for bad porpuses when the shytan whispers in his heart. But don't worry, it's all written and the shytan won't prevail. I'd rather open myself to my human brother and tell him the truth so maybe I can touch him and let him feel the compassion and the justice of god than keep it for myself because that make me an egoist selfish human beign (no offense intended).
As for the devil stomping on holy land whether you speak about US in Arabia or Jews in Palestine that's part of the great battle (even the first is more politic ; for fuel especially because of the greedy saudi government (if we can call it a government)) and we all know the outcome -critical ??? lol :)-

Peace Sunny (Sunni :))

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Peace Hellspawn, I feel what you are saying. There is sum truth to your last comment. But, I would encourage you to go to Harlem and visit the NGE Allah's Universal Development Center and have this dialogue with some of the Gods & Earths there, you might have a very good understanding of things after a good mind to mind discussion where your views of 5% sectarianism are concerned.

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I would love to :) I know there's great people out there or I wouldn't even be on this site, I preafer 5%ers on alot of other ideologies, I know they don't cause harm, they elevate themselves and that that's a logic reaction to the white man oppression. I have absolutely nothing against the Gods and Earths, like I told you I like these people alot and that's why I take the time to discuss because I see them so close to the truth and so far in the same time. I'm sad that these people I like (I'm fan of some of them of course) don't make the little effort to question themselves and see beyond the stories they been told (the graftin of yakub and the white devil etc...) to recieve the true light of islam wich is written in the quran, this is a great book, and I dare you to still emotionless if you read it even by curiousity.
This book is a miracle by itself, it had been written in arabic and that language is still practiced so theres no alteration, no translatin, no deviation. Theres only one copy of the book (not like the 36000 bibles nor the Torah/Talmud I'd rather don't speak of) and that contains scientific miracles, mathematical miracles, grammatical miracles and in the same time it's a manual for a peaceful and righteous living).
When I see people like Ali, Malcolm and Ghostface who became true muslims through this ideaology I can only be grateful to the NOI/NGE.

Peace