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The main grudge lies in the fact it's NOT EUROPEANS trying to take over the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by ikke
The Roman empire, Napoleon, Crusaders etc are always potrayed in a noble light.
While the Mongols, Turks, Arabs, Persians etc are always some sort of savage horde that are "against humanity".
Cool Story broQuote:
Originally Posted by Living-jism
That's because the Romans honestly felt like they were doing people a favor by bringing them into their Culture. Same with England later on. It's arrogant and intolerant but to an extent it's with good intentions.
Napoleon was protecting the interests of his country. He didn't start the Napoleonic Wars. France became free of tyranny, and all the European monarchs tried to put out the fire of the revolution by attacking France. Napoleon simply was defending France and all he did was force the aggressors into peace agreements. He then launched a mission into the Middle East because France and England were old enemies who competed over such things. England had the better Navy, so Napoleon thought he should cut off the Suez to maintain a balance of power. He returns when he realizes the diseases his men were infected with would wipe them out given enough time. When he returns he finds France bankrupt, an unpopular and ineffective directory (congress) in charge, and they murmur about his "desertion" of France. It is out of patriotism and just as much self interest he and his most trusted men took positions of authority. He only became Emperor out of fear that he would be killed, and the Monarchists would try to retake France and the experiment that was Democracy would fail. He felt it was better to set it up so that his chosen man would be his heir to power and that although Democracy might be compromised the Liberties that created the Republic would be protected. From there he just road out the storm. When he was put into exile a King from the old bloodlines was restored and he was a crappy and unpopular leader. Napoleon had been right.
The 1st Crusade was a poorly thought out attempt at stopping violence in Europe by making it happen somewhere else. Then when it went to hell it became a Vendetta that lasted for centuries.
The Mongols were unsophisticated barbarians who drank fermented milk and raped and pillaged until they took over China, adopted Chinese customs, and became in effect Chinese. Genghis was a son of a bitch. Kublai was a benevolent dictator with plans for world conquest. The former is meh. The latter is better.
The Turks were just like the Mongols until they became Ottomans and developed a culture that was civilized. They eventually became the successors to the Roman-Greek Eastern Empire after they took it over. After that no one was too worried about them. It was when they were expanding the west wasn't sure what to think of them.
Arabs have always been respected until recently in history. No one was afraid of the Arabs. The Saracens were our enemies during the crusades, but realistically we just didn't like the for cultural differences. We respected them.
Same with Persia in the Hellenic period onwards. The Greeks demonized them because they were the huge empire that wanted to swallow them up and we base our history on the Greeks because they won out. It's only in modern times that Iran and the West have had real troubles. And they started that by taking Americans hostages.
"Honestly felt like they were doing people a favor"?..."to an extent it's with good intentions"?!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBoarzHeadBoy
What a cop out.
TheBoarzHeadBoy, Napoleon wasn't fighting for the ideas of the Revolution, he was fighting for himself. Sure he fought against the monarchists, but he also fought the Jacobites, who were the ones who instaured democracy in the first place. He rigged the votes so that it would seem like the French people wanted him leading the country.
On topic, I find atheists to be more tolerant than religious people, and I don't think they seem lost in life, quite the opposite. Some people however, need religion to set boundaries, so that their life is organized. Its good, if believing in Allah or Jesus can make you a better man, Im all for it.
Exactly, to an extent, fuck what is true or is not true.
Why is deception harmful if one is only deceiving themselves, with only positive outcomes?
Yet, religious people and atheists cannot be respectful of each other.
Atheists, with the knowledge they think they have, are generally burdened with a sense of superiority and treat religious people condescendingly as a result.
Religious people generally treat those who do not adopt a religion as without morals and as 'spiritually' bereft.
They believe that atheism is a complete affront on what religious people believe, when in reality it is the literally the furthest thing from religion.
The two things have become inexorably linked, when they are completely unrelated by definition.
Those of 'faith' will often atheism as a 'belief' or a denunciation of religion, when in fact the term atheism only exists to distinguish an extremely diverse group people with no relation to each other.
Think about what atheism is without juxtaposition of religion... it is nothing.
The concept of not adopting a belief, being a belief in itself, is ludicrous.
This is the oppositional attitude which i was talking about. Zooruka sees atheism as a threat, and therefore treats atheists as the enemy.Quote:
Originally Posted by prof zooruka
Hm, i think atheism has been misappropriated as some kind of 'movement' by a bunch of sanctimonious faggits.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBoarzHeadBoy
However, you're confusing what these people assert with what atheism is by definition.
People generally make decisions based on evidence, there is no evidence to support religious doctrine so some people do not believe it.
There is no evidence to support the concept of a God, so some people choose to not believe in one.
Of course, we cannot know. Then again, we cannot know if we are living in a dream.
Is it arrogant of you to suggest your life is not a dream?
No, not really, you have no evidence to suggest it is, so therefore the best solution you can produce is that life is not a dream.
As an atheist i cannot rule out God, but i can choose not to believe in such a concept based on the complete lack of evidence.
Certainty is rarer than most people think, maybe even impossible. That doesn't stop everyone from making rational decisions based on the best possible information they can obtain.
That's Human Ego.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Bateman
We all want to feel better then other people.
no kidding? im a sikh im not that familiar with abrahamic religions other than islam, and our first prophet said that he didnt want to start a religion, nor did he want to be a part of a religion that only high class members could be part of, he denounced idol worship, and said everyone should have freedom of religion, equality of men and women, etc etc, said that whoever denounces the vedas, bible and quran as false are false themselves, as they all hold the wisdom of the world in themQuote:
Originally Posted by FMJ
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Originally Posted by Sean Bateman
athieism is the enemy, not the people who hold the belief (because I believe they are being duped by the devil) but the belief itself...Now think of it like this, Religious people namly christians have been commanded by God (wether you believe it or not) to go into the all the world and spread the knowledge of God to all mankind so they will know the truth !!!!!!, now on the other hand you have a totally opposite belief, which says to mankind that God does not exist at all, now these two beliefs are competeing for the hearts and minds of the people, who otherwise don`t know any better about either belief...so therefore these two competeing beliefs will naturally be enemies of each other, because they are both incompatible with each other, and are in direct competition to gain converts.
Now you say "The concept of not adopting a belief, being a belief in itself, is ludicrous " what so ludicrous about it ???? it`s fact !!!!! That is the dichotomy of human thinking ......So either you believe in God or you don`t believe in God ....it`s that simple .... but they are both beliefs one way or another.
belief :
–noun
1. something believed; an opinion or conviction: a belief that the earth is flat.
2.
confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof: a statement unworthy of belief.
peace be with you !
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funny how you used "knowledge of god" in your post, then followed it up by the words "belief" or "believe" 10 + times.
HETEPU
It's true that when you see the picture it sounds like the image gaven by the media is atheistic such as every thing's permitted, we can do what we want ; sexual liberty, nudity, homosexuality, a world based on materialistic things, money, the science to explain every thing, one can lie, steal and it's always OK, the atheistic ones are the cool ones and the religious ones are feeble and not cool. But I doubt that those who are in control of all this (illuminati???) are atheistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by prof zooruka
I got a question for you zooruka ; if they werent atheistic, what would they be ?
worldly
see atheism is just a disbelief in the exdistance of God !!!!!...if there was no such thing as athieism...then people would be worldy, they would know about and believe in God but wouldn`t care about him,but rather be concerned with the things of the world....see athieism isn`t caring about money, cars, cloths, sex...that is worldy belief....like I said athieism is just a belief that there is no God.
peace be with you !
So what's the point of the media (and those behind) wanting the people to become "worldly" ?
.... And not because American and British agents that started a coup to over throw Iran's first democratically elected leader?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBoarzHeadBoy
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Originally Posted by Hellspawn
When I was talking about the athiests using the media...I wasn`t talking about them talking about , sex, money, cars ect.... I was talking about them reporting athiests beliefs as facts about human existance, such as the big bang, evolution, how old the earth is ect... these beliefs may or may not have started off as athiest beliefs, but today they have become an integral part of the athiest agrument for trying to disprove the existance of God.... thats what I mean`t.
In regards to why the media , is structured to project worldy ideals, values and morals and what is the point ????...it`s because in the bible it says the whole world lies in the power of the evil one (the devil), so he is structuring societies through the media,and entertainemnt industries, in such a way, that we are being force fed concepts and ideals that seek to draw us away from God, and to occupy our thought process and wants, to the point that we have no time to think about God and our wants become that of the world (cars,sex,money) rather than our wants being what God expects from us as humans or to do his will....and this will continue to get worse until a majority of society loses sight of God altogether, this might mean some will become athiests or some will just become so worldy they have no need for god in there lives at all... so we should consider these days as the good times...because it will only get worse !!!!!
hope that helps
peace be with you !
All atheists are is people who don't care about the "next life" they live for this world. It's realism instead of romanticism (although atheism has it's romantic notions, there's something powerful about dying for a cause knowing there is nothing more.) There's anti-theism and atheism. They're not the same thing. Anti-theists are what Christians assume Atheists are. Anti Theists want to end religion and they're as intolerant as theists. That's the ying and yang. Atheism is without the need for God. You say no thank you and that's it. Atheism is private unless asked. You don't need to debate about it as an atheist. An Anti Theist feels a need to prove a Theist wrong. An atheist says "have fun with that."Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Bateman
Exactly. I don't particularly believe in God, though I do muse about the concept from time to time, and I certainly don't expect one/many or an afterlife. Dead is dead is fine with me. But if anything I'm more moral because of it. Who is going to forgive my trespasses? Not God. No I'll have to live with my actions. That's more powerful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Bateman
There's a difference between Atheism, Anti Theism, and Nihilism.
I don't think there's a God and only see religions as institutions of philosophy, not theology.
I don't think that religions are evil. I think that people are stupid and do stupid things.
I do think we live with a purpose and that is to make our offspring's lives that much better.
Sorry, but Iran had a Shah that was placed there with the help of America. There have been political tamperings with Iran by America and Iran reacted by taking hostages and having a revolution.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBoarzHeadBoy
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If atheists don`t believe in a God ,what are they subtley trying to convey to society...that religion is b.s, because there is no God, they may not be as full frontal as anti theists but they clearly have the same demonic agenda, and that is to replace God with there own idea`s about life !!!!!!!!....and yes atheists are just as dangerous to christians than anti theists...because religion is all about belief in God !!!!!, that is the reason religion exists, and atheists want to eliminate that fundemental... so intern people start to think they can get there moral guidance from other sources...and then I ask you the question what would be the moral standard for a human to aspire to ???? because without belief in God, his moral standard becomes obsolete and then everyone would be free to make up anything they wanted as a moral standard, depending on what is universally acceptable in any given society.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBoarzHeadBoy
In other words atheists and anti theists are the same sh*t different smell !!!!!!
peace be with you !
i'm atheist (actually agnostic, but anywho,) you are accusing us of trying to spread our beliefs, or disbeliefs which is not true. as you see, you yourself says you are the ones trying to force your beliefs on us. atheists really just want to be left alone. we don't care what you believe in, just don't force your shit on us. when was the last time you saw an atheist on a street corner preaching?Quote:
Originally Posted by prof zooruka
religions are the enemies of each other.
•catholic churches remained quiet during the holocaust and allowed the murders of millions of jews.
•muslim extremists killed 3,000 people on sept. 11th
•christians burned alleged witches at the stake
•christians rationalized having african slaves because they weren't believers in chirst. they practiced voodoo
•christians burn fellow christian churches
•in northern ireland, protestants kill catholics and vise versa.
•in palestine, jews kill arabs and vise versa
when have you ever heard of an atheist killing an agnostic just because they don't believe exactly what they believe??
when have you ever seen an atheist kill a christian, a jew, a muslim or any other person for their religious beliefs?
it doesn't happen.
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Originally Posted by Art Vandelay
I never said that atheist are dangerous people personally, I know they don`t go round killing people who believe in God, but atheists are dangerous because they have been infected with a demonic idea, which is spreading though individuals who profess the atheist idea, the atheist idea is powerful in itself, because it`s designed (by the devil) to cast doubt in peoples mind and to make them lose there faith...now that doesn`t mean they put a gun to peoples head and force them to be athests (even though I believe there are some who if given the chance would), but the actual idea itself is meant to make people doubt and this is acheieved by even saying you are an atheist, and is especially potent in this day and age because peoples spirituality is so weak today, that they are more suseptable to doubting God....also most of the atheists are in the academic field, so they play on naieve individuals by using the titles of fact and knowledge to push there idea`s on people.
Just look at the world, most people believe they world is billions or millions of years old, when the bible says it`s 6000 years old, most people believe in evolution, as opposed to creationism...ect, and all these ideas come from scientists who are atheists..so they do try to spread there beliefs, but in a more subtle and sly way and also I believe it hasn`t got to the point of street corners yet but it will given time in my opinion.
peace be with you !
how are these scientists being "sly" if the really believe that?Quote:
Originally Posted by prof zooruka
the scientists who are atheists, have as much faith (i'm using that term for lack of a better word) that there isn't a god as you have faith that there is a god. maybe it's you that's being sly with your teachings by putting fear into people. scientists are just showing proof. religious people are showing...well, actually, they're not showing anyting. there is no proof.
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Originally Posted by Art Vandelay
scientific theory on such topics such as the age of the earth, the big bang, and evoloutionism (all atheist doctrine b.t.w) are a about as reliable as as a house made of cards, these theories are just theories and have yet to be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be true.
Also I think you are being a bit naieve if you don`t think that scientists who are atheist don`t try to manipulate or publish material to suit and futher there own belief.
belief in God is not scientifical belief and can never be, you can`t prove there is no God using science !!!!! and there best attemps have proven inconclusive, so how can they believe off that evidance alone ????? No....... I garentee Most atheist scientist started out with there own personal belief that there is no God, and then proceeded to find some scientifical facts to back up there claim...because I garentee they didn`t believe in God and then one day did an experiment or reasearch and found out that God doesn`t exist, because that is impossible,because there are to many unanswered questions and because there is no concrete scientifical evidance even today to back up this claim or there belief off science fact alone ?????..... so they must of started with this belief and then proceeded to use science to make it true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Art Vandelay
We have proof the bible, but people want to believe that is not sufficient proof.Quote:
Originally Posted by Art Vandelay
peace be with you !
Some E-muslim fundies I've conversed with on thee internet don't actually regard Christians as infidels and heretics... how about that for "peace be with you" ruka?
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Yes they do....they just do it in a rounda bout way...read the koran ... islamic doctrine stands fundementally opposed to the epitome of christian belief....such as:
Christ being crucified
Jesus being God/ the trinity
ect....
peace be with you !
christians are always wrong
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Your statement is wrong !!!!!!!!!
peace be with you !
Zooruka, you're same arguements about science can be turned around against you about religion.
you are saying proof comes from a book written from almost 2,000 years ago to over 6,000 years ago. i say almost 2,000 years because none of the new testament was written while jesus was alive. that's fact. the entire new testament was all hearsay written atleast a hundred years after his death.
and just like you say God can't be disproved, neither can my deity The Flying Spaghetti Monster. I believe the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the foundation of our existence. He created all. We also have our own book to prove it. you can buy it on amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/Gospel-Flying-.../dp/0812976568
http://gingery.files.wordpress.com/2...ti-monster.jpg
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Originally Posted by Face of the Golden Falcon
You can have a belief in God and still have knowledge of God...really they Go hand in hand, people have a belief, then God provides you with some knowledge, now the question is if you choose to believe that knowledge or not...but at the same time you still have to believe because God does not give knowledge in such a way as to eliminate belief, he gives just enought to help strengthen peoples belief...for example God came in the form of jesus, but yet Jesus talked in parables not openly, (jesus) did not come down from heaven directly in the middle of a crowded jerusalem and say " look I am God in the flesh, here I will prove it to you beyond a shadow of a doubt" ... No...he gave clues (knowledge) to who he was and that God exists but just enought so people will still have to use faith (belief) to grasp the whole story.
peace be with you !
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...why is your god so insistent in dividing the people he supposed to love?
HETEPU
as usual, when shit's too real, just ignore it. Appreciate that :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Visionz
God gave us intellect and the ability to discover the world around us. You talk of evolution, the Big Bang theory etc as if there's no actual and factual data behind any of it. Its a shame that you'd deny your own God-given ability.
I like science in that it persumes to know nothing as seeks to find out everything. With that being said it only concerns itself with the how and doesn't really concern itself with the why. Its a constant evolution in thought and doesn't mind throwing out what it thought to be truth if new information proves a new paradigm to be more correct.
You however take quack christian science as fact, who start out with a pre-determined frame of what they're setting out to be proven and squeeze facts to make them fit even though they don't.
http://www.sciencemusings.com/blog/u...UDF-777866.jpg
Every point of light you see here^is a galaxy, not a star but a GALAXY.
Our own Milky Way Galaxy is approx. 100,000 light years in diameter and you, because you take the Bible as absolute fact in every sense of the word, are basically saying that every one of these galaxies was created at the exact same time as the earth and that NONE of them, not a SINGLE one is no more than 6,000 lights years away from us in distance, even as our own galaxy itself is much, much wider than that.
Go head, pull out some quackery-related links that completely distort all measurable data because what they set out to prove what was pre-determined from the very start and then blame it all on atheist.
What you don't realize is that by clinging fool-hardedly to time scales that are obviously erroneous you do the greatest disservice to the very idea of God because at that point you and people of your mindset give young, impressionable minds two choices, go with the people that have solid rationale to support what they're talking about, or go with the fear-mongering bible thumpers who are obviously full of shit. You can't blame that on atheist or science when your own unwavering position is the actual source.
It is completely possible to be completely rational about the realities of the physical world and still have deep faith in God and the Souce of All Creation. Unfortunately, too many don't know how to balance the two internally and we have a world that is seriously fucked up externally because of it.
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Originally Posted by Visionz
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Because Darwin's theory is now the predominant teaching found in our public school systems and in higher education institutions around the world, one might come to think that Charles Darwin's theory of evolution had been proven as fact. This theory - that the world began from a random piece of matter that was over heated and then exploded into the living planet we dwell upon today - still continues to have large gaps and questions without answers. Nothing about the Darwin theory is fact or has been proven so. !!!!!!!Quote:
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Originally Posted by Visionz
Helioseismology - The core of the sun produces deuterium from hydrogen fusion at 5 million degrees K. The heat is transferred from the core by convection currents so it could reach surface in days, not a million years. It also leads to an age for the sun based on the deuterium/hydrogen ratio of the local interstellar medium of 6,000-12,857 years.
Creationists have indicated that there is too much interplanetary dust in the solar system. The solar wind, solar gravitation and the Poynting Robertson effect remove dust from the solar system, while comets and asteroids can contribute to the dust. An argument was issued by Robertson and Slusher in a 100 page monograph confirming that equations derived nearly fifty years earlier were essentially correct and the solar system was limited to a few thousand years..... without some hitherto unknown massive replacement method. At least half of this conclusion is supported by secular scientists who hold that the lifespan for a typical dust particle is about 10,000 years.
- The earth's magnetic field energy has been decaying at a factor of 2.7 over the past 1,000 years. At this current decay rate, the earth could not be greater than 10,000 years old. (Science says the age of the earth is around 5 billion years old)
- There are not enough stone-age skeletons to account for the approximately 4 billion Neanderthal and Cro-magnon people that evolutionary anthropologists say lived during the 100,000 years of the stone age. "Yet only a few thousand skeletons have been found implying that the stone age was much shorter, a few hundred years in many areas."
I agree because everything in the bible is fact concerning the physical world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visionz
peace be with you
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Originally Posted by TheBoarzHeadBoy
Yeah, Zooruka treats atheists and anti-theists as one in the same. He cannot separate the two, which is unfortunate.
Zooruka, the traits which you demonstrate towards atheists are perfectly illustrative of my point. You cannot respect them because you feel their opinion must be an affront on your own beliefs.
This disrespect is obviously in direct opposition with the tenants of your religion, but i guess that never stopped anyone before.
Nice post, and that's what i'm talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visionz
You're right, a lot of people can balance a belief in God with an acceptance of science. For some, the two are not mutually exclusive.
Not tolerance, but accepting and respect is needed.
Tolerance is still despising another person's beliefs, but just doing nothing about it. To me, that's almost as bad.
Both atheists and religious people, in large, are incapable of accepting each other's opinion and respecting them.
It's sad, but in the end it's just a manifestation of our need to exploit and exaggerate any difference we see in our fellow man.
The problem is, as you said, you think the two ideas are in competition. You can't understand that atheism is not related to religion and does not purport to be a replacement.Quote:
Originally Posted by prof zooruka
I can see why you would think this, as Boarz said, many atheists are anti-theists and use their atheism as a similar vehicle to religion. But you should distinguish between the two groups before you make such ridiculous generalisations.
They are not in competition for anything, especially not to gain converts. Atheism is not in competition with religion, it functions completely outside of religion.
On the subject of whether it is a belief or not, that is debatable i agree.
Now you posted the definition of belief, and to me, that only supports my assertion that it is not a belief.
Atheism is not an opinion or a conviction, it is a complete lack of opinion or conviction on the matter of religion.
"So either you believe in God or you don`t believe in God"
This sentence proves my point again, atheists do not believe. You said it yourself, they do not have a belief on the subject.
Without religion as it's counter part, atheism is nothing.
Without atheism as it's counter part, religion is still a belief.
I hope that helps.
i like the point that has been brought up about atheists and anti theists
a buddist is an atheist, ppl forget that 'not believing in god' isn't a religion by the other half of the human spectrum that's as diverse in its ideologies are the various followings that DO belive in God.
Is this zooruka guy serious?
Pretty funny shit.
THe funniest logic that I see is "Atheists don't believe in God and therefore are devil worshippers"
Apart from a few wannabe rebelious people,who think its cool not to believe in God or individuals who think they are enlightend because they went to university (the home of atheist indoctrination) , most of the believers in atheism come from the scientific community, and they try and use science as there basis for proof that God does not exist and want to use science as the vehicle to (replace religious explinations of the origins of mankind and everything that exists,) with there own atheist beliefs, I dont believe anyone became an athesist because of science, because there is not enough proof, but rather people with atheist beliefs became scientist.... so while they don`t openly admit they want to replace religion they are activly trying to use science and the tag of knowledge to try to replace it ..... it`s ignorance to think otherwise.Quote:
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It`s ashame that you can`t see it for what it is.....atheism is in competion with religion for converts, not because atheists go out and activly seek followers like islam v christianity, but in the sense that atheism presents itself as an alternative to God and religion, through science.... so therefore it automatically becomes a competition for the hearts and minds of the naive public who don`t understand either way about either belief and are still sitting on the fence so to speak...
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Originally Posted by Sean Bateman
You can try and use a play on words all you want to try and rationalize athesim as a lack of belief rather than an actual belief in itself, but automatically once someone holds onto a view point on any subject whatever that is, then it becomes a belief...wether that is a belief of for or against, its still a belief.
They do have a belief they believe there is no God !!!!! that is a belief... I can`t really explain it anymore than that.Quote:
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I agree...but that doesn`t mean that athesim is still not a belief.
peace be with you !
I actually feel sorry for the scientific community, what should be a way for humans to show proof of the glory of God, has been highjacked by the devil, and is being used as a a mechanism to try to prove God doesn`t exist.
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peace be with you !
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Originally Posted by prof zooruka
thank you for being a predictable numbskull :yessad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Visionz
There's zero logic to the shit you just posted, ZERO. You wanna talk about decay of magnetic fields??
Let's talk about soil errosion
http://www.astrofoto.ca/stuartheggie..._Canyon_23.jpg
http://www.twu.ca/life/ministries/gp...and-canyon.jpg
Let's talk about plate tetonics
http://sun.menloschool.org/%7Enfortm...es/5globes.gif
Lets talk about ice sheets
http://www.detectingdesign.com/image...Layers%202.jpg
You're too dense to realize whats happening with all those bullshit articles you pull up.
They (whoever "they" happen to be) with the mindset of "the Bible says the Earth is 6000 years old" then proceed to cook up numbers to fit the book. They don't approach with an empty slate and just go by what the evidence tells them. A smart person will figure this out (and often times be turned off by the idea of God altogether as it seems, incorrectly, that those who believe must all be blithering idiots)
And btw just so I don't forget. The Bible states that the Sun REVOLVES AROUND THE EARTH. I guess you'd never fly around the world for fear that you'd fall off the edge huh?
The Bible is far from fact.
1. At the current rate of erosion from water and winds "it would only take 15 million years to erode all land above sea level," depositing it into the ocean. (Science says the age of continents is hundreds of millions of years old).
if the erath was not young then there would be no land left above sea level.
peace be with you !